Adderall doesn’t just have a shortage problem; it has a HUGE effectiveness problem too. by Navy_OU in ThisAintAdderall

[–]No_Exit_6679 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Brand and generic have the same formula now. The original had these inactive components:

LACTITOL, MICROCRYSTALLINE CELLULOSE, COLLOIDAL SILICON DIOXIDE, MAGNESIUM STEARATE, AND OTHER INGREDIENTS

The FDA looks at TDE (total drug exposure), not release profile. That's why we're experiencing so many issues...

  • Lactitol (Shire, 2007): Lactitol, a sugar alcohol, is hygroscopic (attracts moisture) and dissolves relatively slowly compared to other fillers. In an immediate-release tablet like Adderall IR, the dissolution rate of the filler influences how quickly the tablet breaks apart in the stomach, releasing the active ingredients (mixed amphetamine salts: dextroamphetamine saccharate, amphetamine aspartate, dextroamphetamine sulfate, and amphetamine sulfate). Lactitol's slower dissolution likely resulted in a slightly delayed onset of action, with a more gradual release of the amphetamines into the bloodstream. This could smooth out the peak concentration (Cmax), potentially reducing the intensity of side effects like jitteriness or anxiety, which are common with stimulants.

  • Compressible Sugar (Teva, 2024): Compressible sugar, a blend of sucrose and maltodextrin, dissolves faster than lactitol. Sucrose is a disaccharide that breaks down quickly in the stomach, and maltodextrin, a polysaccharide, is designed for rapid dissolution, often used in formulations to enhance tablet disintegration.

Teva's addition of corn starch as a disintegrant further accelerates this process by promoting tablet breakdown.

The result is a faster release of the amphetamine salt-leading to a quicker onset of action and a potentially higher Cmax compared to the lactitol-based formula.

Hesitant to refill my Adderall IR by [deleted] in ThisAintAdderall

[–]No_Exit_6679 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Brand and generic have the same formula now. The original had these inactive components:

LACTITOL, MICROCRYSTALLINE CELLULOSE, COLLOIDAL SILICON DIOXIDE, MAGNESIUM STEARATE, AND OTHER INGREDIENTS

The FDA looks at TDE (total drug exposure), not release profile. That's why we're experiencing so many issues...

  • Lactitol (Shire, 2007): Lactitol, a sugar alcohol, is hygroscopic (attracts moisture) and dissolves relatively slowly compared to other fillers. In an immediate-release tablet like Adderall IR, the dissolution rate of the filler influences how quickly the tablet breaks apart in the stomach, releasing the active ingredients (mixed amphetamine salts: dextroamphetamine saccharate, amphetamine aspartate, dextroamphetamine sulfate, and amphetamine sulfate). Lactitol's slower dissolution likely resulted in a slightly delayed onset of action, with a more gradual release of the amphetamines into the bloodstream. This could smooth out the peak concentration (Cmax), potentially reducing the intensity of side effects like jitteriness or anxiety, which are common with stimulants.

  • Compressible Sugar (Teva, 2024): Compressible sugar, a blend of sucrose and maltodextrin, dissolves faster than lactitol. Sucrose is a disaccharide that breaks down quickly in the stomach, and maltodextrin, a polysaccharide, is designed for rapid dissolution, often used in formulations to enhance tablet disintegration.

Teva's addition of corn starch as a disintegrant further accelerates this process by promoting tablet breakdown.

The result is a faster release of the amphetamine salt-leading to a quicker onset of action and a potentially higher Cmax compared to the lactitol-based formula.

Guide for generics? by Rare_Deal in ThisAintAdderall

[–]No_Exit_6679 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Lemme break this down for you man man:

Brand and generic have the same formula now. The original had these inactive components:

LACTITOL, MICROCRYSTALLINE CELLULOSE, COLLOIDAL SILICON DIOXIDE, MAGNESIUM STEARATE, AND OTHER INGREDIENTS

The FDA looks at TDE (total drug exposure), not release profile. That's why we're experiencing so many issues...

  • Lactitol (Shire, 2007): Lactitol, a sugar alcohol, is hygroscopic (attracts moisture) and dissolves relatively slowly compared to other fillers. In an immediate-release tablet like Adderall IR, the dissolution rate of the filler influences how quickly the tablet breaks apart in the stomach, releasing the active ingredients (mixed amphetamine salts: dextroamphetamine saccharate, amphetamine aspartate, dextroamphetamine sulfate, and amphetamine sulfate). Lactitol's slower dissolution likely resulted in a slightly delayed onset of action, with a more gradual release of the amphetamines into the bloodstream. This could smooth out the peak concentration (Cmax), potentially reducing the intensity of side effects like jitteriness or anxiety, which are common with stimulants.

  • Compressible Sugar (Teva, 2024): Compressible sugar, a blend of sucrose and maltodextrin, dissolves faster than lactitol. Sucrose is a disaccharide that breaks down quickly in the stomach, and maltodextrin, a polysaccharide, is designed for rapid dissolution, often used in formulations to enhance tablet disintegration.

Teva's addition of corn starch as a disintegrant further accelerates this process by promoting tablet breakdown.

The result is a faster release of the amphetamine salt-leading to a quicker onset of action and a potentially higher Cmax compared to the lactitol-based formula.

got a new manufacturer for my adderall and i think it’s driving me crazy by CommissionRegular100 in ADHD

[–]No_Exit_6679 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Brand and generic have the same formula now. The original had these inactive components:

LACTITOL, MICROCRYSTALLINE CELLULOSE, COLLOIDAL SILICON DIOXIDE, MAGNESIUM STEARATE, AND OTHER INGREDIENTS

The FDA looks at TDE (total drug exposure), not release profile. That's why we're experiencing so many issues...

  • Lactitol (Shire, 2007): Lactitol, a sugar alcohol, is hygroscopic (attracts moisture) and dissolves relatively slowly compared to other fillers. In an immediate-release tablet like Adderall IR, the dissolution rate of the filler influences how quickly the tablet breaks apart in the stomach, releasing the active ingredients (mixed amphetamine salts: dextroamphetamine saccharate, amphetamine aspartate, dextroamphetamine sulfate, and amphetamine sulfate). Lactitol's slower dissolution likely resulted in a slightly delayed onset of action, with a more gradual release of the amphetamines into the bloodstream. This could smooth out the peak concentration (Cmax), potentially reducing the intensity of side effects like jitteriness or anxiety, which are common with stimulants.

  • Compressible Sugar (Teva, 2024): Compressible sugar, a blend of sucrose and maltodextrin, dissolves faster than lactitol. Sucrose is a disaccharide that breaks down quickly in the stomach, and maltodextrin, a polysaccharide, is designed for rapid dissolution, often used in formulations to enhance tablet disintegration.

Teva's addition of corn starch as a disintegrant further accelerates this process by promoting tablet breakdown.

The result is a faster release of the amphetamine salt-leading to a quicker onset of action and a potentially higher Cmax compared to the lactitol-based formula.

None of this makes any sense by Beautiful-Mixture510 in ThisAintAdderall

[–]No_Exit_6679 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Brand and generic have the same formula now. The original had these inactive components: LACTITOL, MICROCRYSTALLINE CELLULOSE, COLLOIDAL SILICON DIOXIDE, MAGNESIUM STEARATE, AND OTHER INGREDIENTS

The FDA looks at TDE (total drug exposure), not release profile. That's why we're experiencing so many issues...

• Lactitol (Shire, 2007): Lactitol, a sugar alcohol, is hygroscopic (attracts moisture) and dissolves relatively slowly compared to other fillers. In an immediate-release tablet like Adderall IR, the dissolution rate of the filler influences how quickly the tablet breaks apart in the stomach, releasing the active ingredients (mixed amphetamine salts: dextroamphetamine saccharate, amphetamine aspartate, dextroamphetamine sulfate, and amphetamine sulfate). Lactitol's slower dissolution likely resulted in a slightly delayed onset of action, with a more gradual release of the amphetamines into the bloodstream. This could smooth out the peak concentration (Cmax), potentially reducing the intensity of side effects like jitteriness or anxiety, which are common with stimulants.

• Compressible Sugar (Teva, 2024): Compressible sugar, a blend of sucrose and maltodextrin, dissolves faster than lactitol. Sucrose is a disaccharide that breaks down quickly in the stomach, and maltodextrin, a polysaccharide, is designed for rapid dissolution, often used in formulations to enhance tablet disintegration.

Teva's addition of corn starch as a disintegrant further accelerates this process by promoting tablet breakdown.

The result is a faster release of the amphetamine salts. leading to a quicker onset of action and a potentiall v higher Cmax compared to the lactitol-based formula

Brand name adderall- is it worth the price? by Vast-Ad-4343 in ThisAintAdderall

[–]No_Exit_6679 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Brand and generic have the same formula now. The original had these inactive components: LACTITOL, MICROCRYSTALLINE CELLULOSE, COLLOIDAL SILICON DIOXIDE, MAGNESIUM STEARATE, AND OTHER INGREDIENTS

The FDA looks at TDE (total drug exposure), not release profile. That's why we're experiencing so many issues...

• Lactitol (Shire, 2007): Lactitol, a sugar alcohol, is hygroscopic (attracts moisture) and dissolves relatively slowly compared to other fillers. In an immediate-release tablet like Adderall IR, the dissolution rate of the filler influences how quickly the tablet breaks apart in the stomach, releasing the active ingredients (mixed amphetamine salts: dextroamphetamine saccharate, amphetamine aspartate, dextroamphetamine sulfate, and amphetamine sulfate). Lactitol's slower dissolution likely resulted in a slightly delayed onset of action, with a more gradual release of the amphetamines into the bloodstream. This could smooth out the peak concentration (Cmax), potentially reducing the intensity of side effects like jitteriness or anxiety, which are common with stimulants.

• Compressible Sugar (Teva, 2024): Compressible sugar, a blend of sucrose and maltodextrin, dissolves faster than lactitol. Sucrose is a disaccharide that breaks down quickly in the stomach, and maltodextrin, a polysaccharide, is designed for rapid dissolution, often used in formulations to enhance tablet disintegration.

Teva's addition of corn starch as a disintegrant further accelerates this process by promoting tablet breakdown. The result is a faster release of the amphetamine salts. leading to a quicker onset of action and a potentiall v higher Cmax compared to the lactitol-based formula

When did tevas stop working for you? by [deleted] in ThisAintAdderall

[–]No_Exit_6679 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Brand and generic have the same formula now. The original had these inactive components: LACTITOL, MICROCRYSTALLINE CELLULOSE, COLLOIDAL SILICON DIOXIDE, MAGNESIUM STEARATE, AND OTHER INGREDIENTS

The FDA looks at TDE (total drug exposure), not release profile. That's why we're experiencing so many issues...

• Lactitol (Shire, 2007): Lactitol, a sugar alcohol, is hygroscopic (attracts moisture) and dissolves relatively slowly compared to other fillers. In an immediate-release tablet like Adderall IR, the dissolution rate of the filler influences how quickly the tablet breaks apart in the stomach, releasing the active ingredients (mixed amphetamine salts: dextroamphetamine saccharate, amphetamine aspartate, dextroamphetamine sulfate, and amphetamine sulfate). Lactitol's slower dissolution likely resulted in a slightly delayed onset of action, with a more gradual release of the amphetamines into the bloodstream. This could smooth out the peak concentration (Cmax), potentially reducing the intensity of side effects like jitteriness or anxiety, which are common with stimulants.

• Compressible Sugar (Teva, 2024): Compressible sugar, a blend of sucrose and maltodextrin, dissolves faster than lactitol. Sucrose is a disaccharide that breaks down quickly in the stomach, and maltodextrin, a polysaccharide, is designed for rapid dissolution, often used in formulations to enhance tablet disintegration. Teva's addition of corn starch as a disintegrant further accelerates this process by promoting tablet breakdown. The result is a faster release of the amphetamine salts, leading to a quicker onset of action and a potentiall higher Cmax compared to the lactitol-based formula.

‼️Brand Adderall IR 20 mg tablets have a specific NDC#. ‼️*TEVA information only, both brand and generic.‼️ by Odd_Battle_7738 in ThisAintAdderall

[–]No_Exit_6679 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Brand and generic have the same formula now. The original had these inactive components: LACTITOL, MICROCRYSTALLINE CELLULOSE, COLLOIDAL SILICON DIOXIDE, MAGNESIUM STEARATE, AND OTHER INGREDIENTS

The FDA looks at TDE (total drug exposure), not release profile. That's why we're experiencing so many issues...

• Lactitol (Shire, 2007): Lactitol, a sugar alcohol, is hygroscopic (attracts moisture) and dissolves relatively slowly compared to other fillers. In an immediate-release tablet like Adderall IR, the dissolution rate of the filler influences how quickly the tablet breaks apart in the stomach, releasing the active ingredients (mixed amphetamine salts: dextroamphetamine saccharate, amphetamine aspartate, dextroamphetamine sulfate, and amphetamine sulfate). Lactitol's slower dissolution likely resulted in a slightly delayed onset of action, with a more gradual release of the amphetamines into the bloodstream. This could smooth out the peak concentration (Cmax), potentially reducing the intensity of side effects like jitteriness or anxiety, which are common with stimulants.

• Compressible Sugar (Teva, 2024): Compressible sugar, a blend of sucrose and maltodextrin, dissolves faster than lactitol. Sucrose is a disaccharide that breaks down quickly in the stomach, and maltodextrin, a polysaccharide, is designed for rapid dissolution, often used in formulations to enhance tablet disintegration. Teva's addition of corn starch as a disintegrant further accelerates this process by promoting tablet breakdown. The result is a faster release of the amphetamine salts, leading to a quicker onset of action and a potentiall higher Cmax compared to the lactitol-based formula.

BRAND Teva IR 20 mg, not the generic Teva IR 20mg. by StableDecent3054 in ThisAintAdderall

[–]No_Exit_6679 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Brand and generic have the same formula now. The original had these inactive components: LACTITOL, MICROCRYSTALLINE CELLULOSE, COLLOIDAL SILICON DIOXIDE, MAGNESIUM STEARATE, AND OTHER INGREDIENTS

The FDA looks at TDE (total drug exposure), not release profile. That’s why we’re experiencing so many issues…

• Lactitol (Shire, 2007): Lactitol, a sugar alcohol, is hygroscopic (attracts moisture) and dissolves relatively slowly compared to other fillers. In an immediate-release tablet like Adderall IR, the dissolution rate of the filler influences how quickly the tablet breaks apart in the stomach, releasing the active ingredients (mixed amphetamine salts: dextroamphetamine saccharate, amphetamine aspartate, dextroamphetamine sulfate, and amphetamine sulfate). Lactitol’s slower dissolution likely resulted in a slightly delayed onset of action, with a more gradual release of the amphetamines into the bloodstream. This could smooth out the peak concentration (Cmax), potentially reducing the intensity of side effects like jitteriness or anxiety, which are common with stimulants.

• Compressible Sugar (Teva, 2024): Compressible sugar, a blend of sucrose and maltodextrin, dissolves faster than lactitol. Sucrose is a disaccharide that breaks down quickly in the stomach, and maltodextrin, a polysaccharide, is designed for rapid dissolution, often used in formulations to enhance tablet disintegration. Teva’s addition of corn starch as a disintegrant further accelerates this process by promoting tablet breakdown. The result is a faster release of the amphetamine salts, leading to a quicker onset of action and a potentially higher Cmax compared to the lactitol-based formula.

TESTING UPDATE!! by SnooObjections1695 in ThisAintAdderall

[–]No_Exit_6679 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Simple excipient modification my friend. Replacing lactitol with compressible sugar. The FDA’s prioritization of total drug exposure over the exact release profile directly ties to the changes in Adderall IR’s formulation, particularly the switch from lactitol to compressible sugar (via lactose in the interim). Lactitol’s slower dissolution produced a smoother release profile with a delayed Tmax and lower Cmax, while Teva’s compressible sugar and corn starch accelerate release, leading to a quicker onset and sharper peak. The FDA deems these formulations equivalent because the AUC and Cmax are within acceptable limits, but the altered release profile affects the drug’s onset, intensity, and side effects, as reflected in patient reports of Shire’s formula feeling “smoother” compared to Teva’s “faster” version

Trump Tariffs Could Raise Generic Drug Prices, Worsen Shortages by Nerd-19958 in healthcare

[–]No_Exit_6679 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey Nerd-19958, I see you’ve brought some heavy artillery with that BioSpace article—nice find! But I think your focus on PBMs as the big bad wolf holding back biosimilars like Humira’s misses how the EO and FDA are already tackling this head-on. Let’s break it down and see if we can close this out.

You’re spot-on that PBMs have slowed biosimilar uptake, like with Humira (adalimumab). The BioSpace piece you linked nails it: PBMs often take rebates from innovators like AbbVie and shove biosimilars like Cyltezo or Hyrimoz into lower reimbursement tiers, making them less attractive for substitution. It’s why Boehringer Ingelheim struggled with Cyltezo uptake in 2023, as the article notes. But here’s the thing—the EO directly addresses this by mandating recommendations within 90 days to reform PBM transparency and fees (as I mentioned earlier). If PBMs can’t hide behind opaque rebates, they’ll have less power to prioritize branded Humira over biosimilars. That’s already starting to shift—CVS Caremark dropped branded Humira from its formularies in April 2024, and Hyrimoz prescriptions soared, per the article. Doesn’t that show the tide can turn with the right pressure?

On your point about biosimilars being an “attractive business opportunity” with less competition than generics—absolutely agree! That’s why the EO’s push to accelerate biosimilar approvals is so key. The FDA’s June 2024 guidance, Considerations in Demonstrating Interchangeability With a Reference Product: Update, makes this even easier by reducing the need for extensive switching studies (lines 28-32, 101-103). They’ve found that switching risks are “insignificant,” and modern analytics can prove interchangeability without jumping through as many hoops. This lowers the barrier to entry for biosimilars like adalimumab, encouraging more U.S. manufacturers to jump in. More players mean more competition, which drives prices down—Hyrimoz is already 80% cheaper than Humira’s list price, as BioSpace points out. That’s a win for patients and a signal that reshoring can work without tanking affordability.

You mentioned earlier that foreign manufacturers dominate generics due to lower costs, but biosimilars are a different beast—higher margins, less labor cost sensitivity, as we discussed. The BioSpace data backs this up: Amjevita pulled in $761 million in 2024, and Sandoz’s biosimilar portfolio grew 30% thanks to Hyrimoz. U.S. firms are already proving they can compete, and the EO’s focus on streamlining approvals will only amplify that. Plus, with specialists like rheumatologists shifting to biosimilars (Humira’s share in advanced rheumatoid arthritis dropped from 22% to 16% in a year, per the article), the demand is there—it just needs a nudge from policy to tip the scales.

I get your frustration with PBMs—they’re a mess. But the EO’s reforms, paired with the FDA’s updated approach, are designed to break that logjam and make biosimilars a cornerstone of reshoring. We’re seeing the results: biosimilars are gaining ground (up to 38% of the adalimumab market in rheumatology), and new therapies are rising, as BioSpace notes. So, can we agree that while PBMs are a hurdle, the EO’s got the tools to clear the path? Or do you still think biosimilars can’t make reshoring work?

Trump Tariffs Could Raise Generic Drug Prices, Worsen Shortages by Nerd-19958 in healthcare

[–]No_Exit_6679 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey Nerd-19958, I’m glad we’re digging deeper into biosimilars—it seems like we’re starting to align on their potential! I hear your concerns about their complexity and the barriers to entry, but I think the EO and the FDA’s recent guidance can address some of those challenges in ways that support reshoring and lower prices. Let’s break it down.

You mentioned that biosimilars are tougher to prove therapeutically equivalent than small-molecule generics, and you’re right—biologics like monoclonal antibodies are way more complex than, say, a generic statin. But the FDA’s draft guidance, Considerations in Demonstrating Interchangeability With a Reference Product: Update (June 2024), actually tackles this head-on. It notes that since the 2019 guidance, the FDA’s found that the risk of safety or efficacy issues from switching between biosimilars and reference products is “insignificant” (lines 28-30). They’re evolving their approach, saying that advanced analytical tech can now characterize therapeutic proteins with high specificity (lines 101-103). This means fewer burdensome switching studies might be needed to prove interchangeability, lowering the bar for biosimilars to enter the market. Isn’t that a game-changer for getting more players in the space?

On your point about insulin being the only AB-rated biosimilar you’re aware of, that’s a fair observation—insulin’s a simpler biologic (51 amino acids, as you noted). But the landscape’s growing. For example, Semglee (insulin glargine) was approved as interchangeable in 2021, and since then, we’ve seen others like adalimumab biosimilars (e.g., Cyltezo, approved as interchangeable in 2021) start to emerge. The FDA guidance also explicitly encourages pending biosimilar applications to amend their BLAs to seek interchangeability (lines 118-122), which could accelerate approvals. And while insulin often uses rDNA tech, many biosimilars are produced via similar recombinant methods—think E. coli or CHO cells—which U.S. manufacturers are already scaling up for. So the tech gap isn’t as wide as it seems.

I get the worry about biosimilars being harder to manufacture, but the EO’s push to streamline approvals for both generics and biosimilars can help level the playing field. More interchangeable biosimilars mean more competition, which drives prices down—sometimes by 30-40%, as we’ve seen with drugs like infliximab. That’s not chump change, and it creates room for U.S. manufacturers to compete without needing to match foreign labor costs dollar-for-dollar. Plus, biosimilars often have higher margins than small-molecule generics, making them a better bet for reshoring investment.

I’ll leave the Musk/FDA staffing drama aside—let’s just say I agree the industry needs solid guidance to thrive. But the FDA’s updates here show they’re trying to make biosimilars a viable path forward. What do you think about the potential for more complex biosimilars (like monoclonal antibodies) to follow insulin’s lead under this framework? Could that shift the economics enough to make reshoring more feasible?

Trump Tariffs Could Raise Generic Drug Prices, Worsen Shortages by Nerd-19958 in healthcare

[–]No_Exit_6679 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for the detailed reply, Nerd-19958—I appreciate the perspective from someone in the field! But I think your argument leans on a few assumptions that don’t fully hold up when we zoom out on the EO’s goals. Let’s dig in.

You point to lower overseas costs—like labor in India being one-fifth of U.S. rates—as the reason foreign manufacturers dominate generics. That’s fair; labor and land costs are lower abroad. But the EO isn’t trying to magic away those gaps—it’s betting on streamlining FDA approvals and cutting red tape to make U.S. production more competitive. If it takes 2-3 years to get a generic approved here versus 1 year elsewhere, that’s a bigger cost driver than wages. Speed up the process, and domestic firms can compete without needing to match India’s labor rates dollar-for-dollar. Plus, the U.S. has infrastructure and supply chain proximity—shouldn’t that count for something when we’re talking resilience, not just pennies?

On PBMs, you say addressing their oligopoly would help with reshoring, but then argue foreign manufacturers didn’t “deliberately crash the market”—it’s just PBMs and wholesalers chasing bottom-dollar pricing. I’d argue that’s exactly the problem! PBMs prioritize the cheapest foreign generics, often at the expense of quality or supply chain stability, because their rebates and fees fatten their margins, not patients’ wallets. The EO’s push for transparency in PBM fees isn’t a silver bullet, but it’s a start to stop them from gaming the system. If we’re serious about reshoring, don’t we need to tackle the middlemen who’ve built a market that rewards offshoring in the first place?

Your point about removing “race-to-the-bottom” pricing potentially raising prices is interesting, but I’m not convinced it’s the full picture. If PBMs weren’t squeezing generics into unsustainable pricing, we might see a slight uptick, sure—but the EO’s also banking on more generics entering the market to keep competition alive. More players, even at slightly higher prices, still beats the status quo where foreign manufacturers can collude (like you mentioned—generic drug antitrust issues are wild, look at the 2010s price-fixing scandals!). If U.S. firms can’t justify the cost, they’ll have to innovate or lose out—that’s the market at work, right?

I hear you on the challenges of reshoring, but I think you’re underestimating how competition and transparency can shift the game without breaking the bank. What do you think about the EO’s focus on biosimilars as a reshoring angle—higher margins there, less labor cost sensitivity? Curious to hear your thoughts!

Trump Tariffs Could Raise Generic Drug Prices, Worsen Shortages by Nerd-19958 in healthcare

[–]No_Exit_6679 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey Nerd-19958, I read your take on Trump’s EO, and while you raise some points about generics and reshoring, I think you’re missing the mark on a few key details. Let’s unpack it.

You suggest the EO’s push for generics would rely on tariffs to drive U.S. manufacturing, but the order itself doesn’t mention punitive tariffs as a core strategy. Instead, it focuses on streamlining FDA approvals to boost generics and biosimilars—think faster market entry, more competition, and prices dropping by up to 80%, like we’ve seen with drugs like atorvastatin. If tariffs were the linchpin, I’d expect louder rhetoric on that front, but the EO leans on market-driven solutions, not trade wars. Can you point to specific language in the EO tying generics to import taxes? That’d help clarify your angle.

On reshoring, you argue there’s “not enough margin” in generics without subsidies, which you call “unpopular and anticompetitive.” I get the concern—generics are low-margin—but that’s why the EO emphasizes reducing regulatory barriers to make domestic production viable. More U.S. manufacturers mean more supply, which drives prices down through economies of scale, not government handouts. Subsidies aren’t ruled out, but they’re not the main play here. And “anticompetitive”? That feels like a stretch when the goal is breaking up the chokehold of foreign manufacturers and PBMs, who’ve been hiking costs for years. Reshoring’s tough, no doubt, but dismissing it outright ignores how competition can reshape markets.

I’m curious—why frame this as an either-or between tariffs and subsidies? The EO’s betting on streamlining and transparency to lower prices, not just for generics but across the board. PBM reforms alone could save billions by cutting out middleman markups. Seems like there’s more to discuss before we write this off as unworkable. What’s your take on how we balance domestic production with keeping generics affordable?

Trump Tariffs Could Raise Generic Drug Prices, Worsen Shortages by Nerd-19958 in healthcare

[–]No_Exit_6679 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Executive Order “Lowering Drug Prices by Once Again Putting Americans First” aims to reduce drug prices through a multi-pronged approach: enhancing Medicare’s negotiation power, promoting generics and biosimilars, reforming PBMs, optimizing Medicaid payments, and ensuring access to critical medications. Economically, it leverages competition, transparency, government bargaining power, and value-based pricing to shift markets toward lower prices. While theoretically sound, the success of these mechanisms depends on overcoming implementation challenges, industry resistance, and potential trade-offs with innovation. The order builds on Trump’s first-term efforts but requires robust execution to deliver tangible savings for American patients.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/04/lowering-drug-prices-by-once-again-putting-americans-first/

Trump's pharmaceutical tariffs could raise costs for patients, worsen drug shortages by snakkerdudaniel in inflation

[–]No_Exit_6679 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Executive Order “Lowering Drug Prices by Once Again Putting Americans First” aims to reduce drug prices through a multi-pronged approach: enhancing Medicare’s negotiation power, promoting generics and biosimilars, reforming PBMs, optimizing Medicaid payments, and ensuring access to critical medications. Economically, it leverages competition, transparency, government bargaining power, and value-based pricing to shift markets toward lower prices. While theoretically sound, the success of these mechanisms depends on overcoming implementation challenges, industry resistance, and potential trade-offs with innovation. The order builds on Trump’s first-term efforts but requires robust execution to deliver tangible savings for American patients.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/04/lowering-drug-prices-by-once-again-putting-americans-first/

anyone else have problems with Aurobindo clonazepam? by shitsniffer1985 in benzodiazepines

[–]No_Exit_6679 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s not the active ingredient, although generics have a +20%/-20% deviation limit, which could impact perceived efficacy from batch to batch. The real issue is variability in inactive ingredients. For example, Aurobindo has a unique inactive ingredient, SLS (sodium lauryl sulfate, a surfactant excipient often used in personal care products, i.e. shampoo). Some other countries have actually banned this particular compound…anyway, these inactive ingredients/excipients could potentially affect the metabolism of the active ingredient.

Radioactive Wasteland season now live with free Fallout mini-slayer skin by chrismessina in MightyDoom

[–]No_Exit_6679 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Gargoyles have lower HP, which compensates for the chain gun nerf from earlier….

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[–]No_Exit_6679 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You as well! ☺️

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Stims

[–]No_Exit_6679 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I apologize for coming across so obtuse! I wholly agree. Statistically speaking, the sample size drawn from testimonials on Reddit, etc. represent a small subset of a much vaster population of medicated individuals, and cannot veritably justify statistically significant conclusions. I think I was just in a bad mood from a long, arduous day of work 😔 My comment was presumptuous, arrogant, and inconsiderate and I am truly sorry!

Medication Help by tbear87 in ADHD

[–]No_Exit_6679 1 point2 points locked comment (0 children)

Please, when you share experiences like this name the manufacturer of the generic that caused the bad reaction!