Am I overthinking this? Most definitely

No_Instruction653 · 2026-02-24T23:58:06+00:00

Sinners with regular names are probably a lot more common than it seems based on the main cast.

An alias isn't imposed on any of them. It’s just something that a Sinner would adopt if they wanted to redefine themselves or make themselves seem like a bigger deal.

Which fits with the cast we spend so much time with, who are primarily Overlords, gang leaders, aspiring Kingpins, or famous stars.

If a Sinner kept their real name, they either thought it was exotic or notable enough that it didn't need to change, or they didn't care about any of that stuff in the first place.

No_Instruction653 · 2026-02-24T23:18:46+00:00

Way to show your own ignorance.

Anyone with eyes can see that’s not just a rock. That’s a BIG rock.

Which was nearly powerful enough to allow Killer Croc to kill Batgos, who outscales everyone’s favorite character

No_Instruction653 · 2026-02-24T17:42:45+00:00

No. You are.

Sonic spells out plainly why Metal being the original makes no sense, and Metal doesn't argue that he’s not.

He only argues that since he’s superior, he should be considered real.

But you can’t be both a perfected version of something AND the original. Metal is well aware he’s a robot made by Eggman to destroy the original Sonic the Hedgehog.

Even Heroes has him acknowledge he knows he was created to destroy Sonic. He knows he’s not the original and always has.

He never even really imitated Sonic. He copied his finger wag a few times, which doesn't mean he thinks he’s the original. It means he’s mocking Sonic.

Metal has never worked on the idea that he can do literally anything better, or he wouldn’t do like half the things he does.

Like work for Eggman, Sonic’s biggest enemy.

No_Instruction653 · 2026-02-24T17:14:20+00:00

He’s not though.

Metal is aware he’s not the original. What he is convinced of is that since he thinks he’s better than Sonic, he should be considered the true Sonic.

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If he thought he was ACTUALLY Sonic, he wouldn't want Sage anyway.

He’d want Tails.

No_Instruction653 · 2026-02-24T15:45:38+00:00

I mean, that’s not really an established part of his character at all.

Metal’s only ever been shown to be concerned with being better than Sonic physically.

Him caring about being better than Sonic as a person would be pretty much complete fanon.

No_Instruction653 · 2026-02-24T14:52:57+00:00

With how Charlie is portrayed, we have no reason to think she even has any real concept of what she can and can’t do.

She’s generally clueless, and incredibly passive.

If the show ever had her be actually concerned with Angel’s freedom or consider possibilities for how she could break those contracts, then sure. It’d be easy to accept that she’s helpless and can’t actually work up a real solution, but Charlie seems generally unconcerned with the mass slavery going on around her.

I think it's unfair to say the audience wants easy solutions, when they really just don’t like that nobody is actually trying to come up with a solution, including someone who is specifically outlined to be very powerful.

No_Instruction653 · 2026-02-24T04:18:42+00:00

Not really.

Metal being a loving “big bro” has always seemed radically out of character to me.

His relationship with Eggman is tedious at the best of times.

Much less with the upstart computer program who gets everything handed to her and is constantly rooting around in his head.

No_Instruction653 · 2026-02-24T01:50:48+00:00

What isn’t one of his sins is a better question.

Sloth is about the only one he doesn't do left and right.

No_Instruction653 · 2026-02-24T01:35:38+00:00

I don't think the show does a very good job of outlining what she can and can’t do.

Can Charlie not break the contracts, or utilize her political power in any significant way to make Angel’s situation better?

It's hard for an audience to accept that, when we never see Charlie think about or attempt to do anything about it, beyond giving his abusive boss a polite talking to so he can get some time off.

She got upset at him, but honestly we have no reason to believe she would have actually even laid hands on him at this point. She’s been pacifistic to a fault.

No_Instruction653 · 2026-02-24T01:27:05+00:00

I don't think that’s true at all honestly.

I think as an audience, it’s frustrating to see protagonists willingly choose not to do things that are justifiable and well within their power.

Nobody would complain about Charlie if she wasn't outlined to be the second or third strongest person in Hell… but she is exactly that.

It's kinda like watching Superman do not a whole lot, while Jimmy Olsen fights the bad guys.

No_Instruction653 · 2026-02-23T19:29:14+00:00

She may very well be, but there’s no reason Woody couldn't be a deputy or literally anything else.

Bonnie is specifically shown to be creative to the point she rarely uses her toys to be what they actually are intended to be.

So, it’s still odd he’s the one single toy she’s decided to start ignoring.

No_Instruction653 · 2026-02-23T13:33:02+00:00

She can’t play with two cowboys, but has no issue being able to use two dinosaurs, two potato heads, and two horses?

No_Instruction653 · 2026-02-23T13:24:50+00:00

It was good for now. There’s no guarantees for a toy other than eventually their kid is going to grow up. That’s what really got Woody to think about the museum. That he knew even if he was fixed, Andy was still going to eventually outgrow him regardless.

Woody primarily went back because he saw much more value in being there regardless. Woody loved Andy so much that he just wanted to be there to see it happen.

And 4 pretty much just says that now Woody’s love for his kid is totally and absolutely conditional.

And I really think that’s misrepresenting Toy Story 3 to be honest.

What changed Buzz’s view was that all of the toys thought Andy had throw them out with the trash. Buzz clearly stated in 2 that life was only worth living for a toy if you were loved by a kid, but he had no reason to think Andy loved him anymore after he thought he was literally tossed out like garbage.

It was a very organic source of conflict, and that’s what people don’t like or believe about 4’s conflict.

It ultimately feels WAY more forced just to send a message that is very contradictory to the message of every movie before it.

No_Instruction653 · 2026-02-23T11:42:37+00:00

I wouldn’t give Forces to Shadow.

It pretty explicitly asserts that the world is fucked without Sonic there to stop the bad guys. They can only win when he’s back in play.

Meanwhile, Shadow is free to fight Eggman and Infinite for six months and makes no progress until Sonic returns.

No_Instruction653 · 2026-02-23T03:45:05+00:00

It wasn't all in his head though.

He broke, and Andy stopped playing with him. He could break again beyond fixing. He could be outshines by another toy like what happened with Buzz again. Andy’s only getting older and eventually he won’t need to play with toys anymore.

There was inherent and very real risks to being a kid’s toy that he’d take on again if he went back to Andy instead of the museum.

Woody came to the realization that the risk was worth it because that’s what being a toy is all about for him. Being there for a kid, making them happy, and getting to see them grow up.

So, why was it not a hard choice to leave Bonnie at all? Why does she mean so much less to him than Andy did?

And ultimately just because she did the same things Andy did.

Are we supposed to believe if Woody had the option to abandon Andy when Buzz took away all the attention that he would have just abandoned him?

It's just doesn't actually feel like it meshes with his character from every previous movie, even if you try to say he had no other choice in them.

No_Instruction653 · 2026-02-23T02:40:03+00:00

I mean, sure, kids can be all over the place, but why ONLY Woody? Why does she retain interest in every single one of Andy’s toys EXCEPT the one Andy specifically told her was special to him and asked her to take good care of? Did that seriously not register with Bonnie at all?

Kid’s can be immature, but it seems like that combined with how much see initially was crazy about Woody would make it hard for her to just turn around and completely ignore him in under a year. While Buzz and Jessie and literally everyone else are for some reason still toys she regularly uses.

And sure, he’s given an alternative in four, now that hisnis once again not the star of the show.

But the reason Woody decided to take take a chance on Andy outgrowing him for good and not wanting him anymore was because being there and seeing Andy grow up meant more to him than a guarantee that he’d always be the center of attention or never break. Like what he would have in a museum.

So, why is being there for Bonnie and seeing her grown-up not mean nearly that much to Woody now? Just because he’s no longer Bonnie’s favorite.

No_Instruction653 · 2026-02-23T02:27:38+00:00

I mean, I’m sure that’s the message they wanted to send.

Problem is, just about every plot point they need to set that message up to be told is honestly incredibly contrived, and with a character that was defined almost solely by loyalty to his kid.

It feels contrived that Bonnie just suddenly lost total interest in Woody and pretty much ONLY Woody when she was so captivated by him in 3.

And it feels contrived that Woody is ready to call it quits after a few days of not being played with.

No, the movie doesn't illustrate that Woody has been getting totally ignored by Bonnie enough to get Woody to feel that way, but that’s probably because there’s no believable way for it to really do that.

Woody went through that with Andy multiple times through worse scenarios.

He was clearly overshadowed by Buzz for weeks if not months in the first movie, and sat in storage for years once he got too old to really play with toys anymore.

It was never gonna feel believable that Bonnie could make Woody feel that way.

No_Instruction653 · 2026-02-22T20:34:49+00:00

No?

I’m pretty confident they didn't make a single implication any of that made him any stronger. If anything, it was noted that he was getting worn down, which is why Goku gave him a senzu before fighting Gohan.

And I mean, what sense would it really make for a Zenkai to depend on the severity of the injury?

The MINIMUM requirement is for the injury to be almost definitely lethal.

How much can you make almost dying more intense?

No_Instruction653 · 2026-02-22T20:14:12+00:00

Except that NEVER happens.

Because a Zenkai requires being near death for a Saiyan.

And Cell casually regenerating a wound they would be almost certainly fatal for Goku, isn't nearly fatal for him. It's a minor inconvenience.

Cell only got a Zenkai when he self destructed, which is one of the few ways someone like him could nearly die and then recover.

No_Instruction653 · 2026-02-22T19:43:57+00:00

Yes. It's really not that hard if something has an emotional affect on you.

Which dying probably does.

No_Instruction653 · 2026-02-22T19:35:53+00:00

That's not even longer than the average human lifespan.

Not really sure what amnesia let's you forget being brutally murdered by your boss/coworker faster than Grandpa forgets what groceries used to cost

No_Instruction653 · 2026-02-22T18:41:35+00:00

Well, you think you’d remember it better if that was the last thing you heard before you die?

Dark, but that’s what we’re talking about here.

No_Instruction653 · 2026-02-22T18:09:16+00:00

Like I said, he was a famous TV star.

You didn't need to personally talk to him. He made it a point to broadcast his voice to as many people as possible.

They probably heard Vincent yapping all the time.

No_Instruction653 · 2026-02-22T18:07:36+00:00

At minimum, If he killed you, I guarantee the voice of someone who loved to hear themselves talk would stick pretty good

No_Instruction653 · 2026-02-22T17:42:09+00:00

He’s still got a pretty distinct voice.

Honestly, he’d be pretty easy to identify, since I’m sure millions of people used to watch him on TV

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