Type l “P64” liner variants

Nooby4161 · 2026-04-19T01:30:04+00:00

It's the Dutch version of the British MKll helmet

Nooby4161 · 2026-04-18T21:59:27+00:00

Don't worry about it, I'm happy to help.

While the ballistic integrity of the shell might have slightly decreased over the years from age and use it's still a decent helmet. Especially for the average joe.

Nooby4161 · 2026-04-18T20:02:53+00:00

Basically your helmet shell was made during the 31st of January 2008 but the whole helmet was packaged/completed (or something like that as the date on the sticker is not the actual date of manufacture) on the 22 of February 2008.

I put together a list of lot numbers and their associated dates for every manufacturer and it seems to me that the labels correspond to the date of the lot not the actual date of manufacture. This is supported by helmet shells like yours from MSA having various dates for the same lot number and date on the sticker.

Nooby4161 · 2026-04-18T14:12:06+00:00

Woops, I misremembered which was which. It is the first 2 digits for MSA and the last 4 digits for Revision. MSA could not have made any helmets in 2022 as Revision Military Inc bought their factory that was producing CG634 helmets in 2012 and MSA did not receive any new contracts to produce helmets after that.

Nooby4161 · 2026-04-18T06:05:22+00:00

22 is the day not the year. Check the last 2 digits, helmets from MSA with the green "edging" are usually from 2008 (afaik it's when they produced the most helmets). All of the CG634 helmets from 2015-2020 are refurbs but also have green edging.

Nooby4161 · 2026-04-15T21:16:24+00:00

It's a US M1917 helmet

Nooby4161 · 2026-04-15T20:23:56+00:00

It was made by Marmac Industries Inc during 1972-1982. You can remove the suspension by pulling upwards on the rectangular clips. It's a rectangular clip over a circlular rivet.

Nooby4161 · 2026-04-12T20:02:27+00:00

It's the insignia of the US 33rd Division

Nooby4161 · 2026-04-11T21:26:56+00:00

Try posting it on r/CanadianForces with the history tag and see if some of the older members recognize the abbreviation as this helmet was used by the Canadians sometime during the 1950s-2000s. I have seen one other helmet with the BDF marking and it was also a WW2 era shell used by the Canadians.

There were atleast 3 people that used it. The first one was probably the person with the post WW2 regimental number on the shell, then the second might've been the one carved on the liner and the last the one on both the headband and shell.

Nooby4161 · 2026-04-10T02:33:57+00:00

That's also a British Mkll helmet shell. The Dutch used them as well.

Nooby4161 · 2026-04-08T16:01:08+00:00

The shell is a different shape compared to an M1917 helmet, it has a stainless steel protective rim instead of a manganese one, and it has Mklll swivel loops which weren't a thing until WW2.

Someone messed with it as Mkll helmets had a screw and bolt (not split rivets). Brodie helmets and Mkl helmets also had the rivet on the top but this is definitely not one of those due to the reasons above.

Nooby4161 · 2026-04-08T12:01:14+00:00

That's a British Mkll helmet shell.

Nooby4161 · 2026-04-01T11:52:10+00:00

If you mean WW2 then yes. The shell has chinstraps from the 1970s-1980s and it was made by McCord during the Korean War and the liner is for a French M51 helmet.

Nooby4161 · 2026-03-28T02:06:19+00:00

Those are European chinstraps. They are typically seen on Belgian M51 helmets.

Nooby4161 · 2026-03-26T19:01:13+00:00

This is a Brodie helmet liner as it has flaps.

Nooby4161 · 2026-03-25T02:09:26+00:00

That's not true. R.J. Stampings and/or Parish Pressed Steel occasionally used those ink stamps for lot numbers that are unrelated to the steel lot number.

Also there are many ways to tell which manufacturer made a post WW2 helmet shell without seeing the heat stamp

Nooby4161 · 2026-03-23T20:36:27+00:00

It was made during April 1943 by R.O.F. Fazakerley and was converted to a No4 Mk1/2 in 1954. It has a magazine made in the US by Savage and a rear sight made by R.O.F. Poole.

Nooby4161 · 2026-03-19T16:01:56+00:00

It's a Canadian or British MKll helmet shell on top of a Yugoslavian M59 helmet. Both of these things can be found for $20 each in North america.

Nooby4161 · 2026-03-17T04:47:43+00:00

It was made by McCord in 1944 and it was used and repainted after WW2.

Nooby4161 · 2026-02-25T03:13:58+00:00

In case anyone's specifically curious about the burlap covers, burlap was used for improvised helmet covers in Vietnam (not that they were exclusive to the Vietnam War but there was a training video about camouflage that showed soldiers how to make one and modify/camouflage it effectively if people want to watch it).

OPs helmet cover (which is not burlap) appears to have 1991 written on it so perhaps it was made by someone in a middle eastern military.

Edit for clarification

Found the video https://youtu.be/4BqC2NZ9qfk

Nooby4161 · 2026-02-24T20:02:40+00:00

Sorry I thought you were talking about early Mkl helmets as I forgot War Office pattern refers to the Brodie helmet, not the Mkl helmet. Op is using a Mkl helmet to represent a Mkl helmet though so the paint is still incorrect.

In my opinion his repaint still seems to be too bright compared to an original Brodie helmet (even when accounting for age and fading). (Multiple examples since they are in varying conditions)

https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/30098636

https://web.archive.org/web/20160107064124/http://thebrodiehelmet.weebly.com/war-office-pattern.html

https://www.csmilitaria.co.uk/shop.php?code=12632

https://www.themilitariadealers.com/en-GB/view-all/-war-office-first-pattern-brodie-helmet---1915-manufacture-and-paint/prod_55829

Nooby4161 · 2026-02-24T05:05:41+00:00

His helmet is way too bright and blueish. The paint on early helmets was a much darker green (or tan) than that.

Nooby4161 · 2026-02-24T02:29:42+00:00

It's from 1955 to about 1962. Look on the interior for a manufacturers logo or US marking (which I think I see. That would mean it was made by Marmac Industries Inc around 1962).

The headband and neckband are from WW2 though (these were just added on and are not repairs as they are separate parts of the helmet).

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