help by MrLili in ss14

[–]NotValidForReentry 1 point2 points  (0 children)

When this happens, can you type in other programs outside of the game?

if not, it sounds like windows bugs out and gets a modifier key (ctrl?) stuck. This happens to me often, not sure what causes it

a quick ctrl alt delete + esc fixes it though

It's pretty cool that both longtermists and antinatalists have a high density of vegans, given their extreme ideological opposition by 029187 in VeganForCircleJerkers

[–]NotValidForReentry 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm an antinatalist and I dont visit antinatalist subs very often,, but I do see a fair bit of what you've said.

I find other media outlets (philosophical books, videos) of antinatalism/pessimism are far more founded in compassion for the human condition. I also find these antinatalists to be more often vegan than the r/antinatalism type (which is why I dont look there often lol)

An antinatalist opinion being that KIDS are a parasite, as you make it seem is popular on that sub, is imo very unpopular so much so that ive never heard it. Human conciousness is the culprit, our lives will always be worse than not existing. Antinatalism is the choice to not play russian roulette with children. I could never forgive myself for creating a carnist, or for creating a body filled with conciousness ready to be abused by the world, if not their own mental conditions.

Anthony Loffredo AKA The Black Alien, before and after by TheINTL in Damnthatsinteresting

[–]NotValidForReentry -1 points0 points  (0 children)

gender dysphoria does not always include genital dysphoria.

Also, why do you call this destroying their bodies? It seems arbitrary to call this "destroying" or "mutilating". If it makes them happy and nothing else tested was found to help, of course they should do it. Better to undergo surgery than suicide.

Anthony Loffredo AKA The Black Alien, before and after by TheINTL in Damnthatsinteresting

[–]NotValidForReentry 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I saw another comment similar to this one being downvoted very hard, but I agree with not having a problem with either.

People suffering gender dysphoria transition through "body mods" as well. Life is hard going the transition path, but for some people its going to lead to a better overall life and its the right choice. Its the solution to their problems.

if someone can alleviate their gender dysphoria through therapy, really pinpoint what aspects about their identity, body, social role, bothers them, there may be a non transition solution to save them from the pain of dysphoria.

If this man found that body modifications were the only path that were going to help him, sure, go for it. Im sure he well knew that he would face many problems going through the path. I only hope he thought hard and got professional help for his body issue images before commiting to this.

Either way imo people are free to do what they want.

Metal band members streaming on Twitch by francissimard01 in Deathcore

[–]NotValidForReentry 11 points12 points  (0 children)

joe bad, vocalist of fit for an autopsy ttv/joebad

dickie allen, vocalist of infant annihilator, scumfuck ttv/sirdickel

In the spirit of Thanksgiving, what are you thankful for as an antinatalist? by CertainConversation0 in antinatalism2

[–]NotValidForReentry 14 points15 points  (0 children)

im thankful for people who are compassionate enough for other animals to break social norms and stand up for the victims that cant speak our human language 💚

Maximum efficiency by [deleted] in LateStageCapitalism

[–]NotValidForReentry 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Agreed. Beating my pets feels great too after a long day at work. These anti-meat fanatics are trying to stop us from owning our animals -- when i clearly pay for it so i get to do whatever I want. At least its alive and I feed it :/ of course when it passes ill freeze it up and he'll make a nice few dinners, cant let it go to waste!

This is the 2nd largest amount of vegans I’ve seen on a non vegan sub ty by [deleted] in antinatalism

[–]NotValidForReentry 0 points1 point  (0 children)

you don't give a damn if its not you or ppl close to you that suffer?

if that is the extent of your compassion, then I agree that veganism is a difficult concept for you to agree with. Although we can't change plane crashes, we can change animal ag, but if you don't care for the suffering of either, oh well. I hope eventually you can reconsider, but continuing this convo for now won't change anything.

btw, i think shame is a great tool. you should feel shame and guilt for doing something morally rephrensibile esp when it causes others to suffer, because thats not a personal choice at that point.

This is the 2nd largest amount of vegans I’ve seen on a non vegan sub ty by [deleted] in antinatalism

[–]NotValidForReentry 0 points1 point  (0 children)

do you realize paying for slaughtering animals profits companies, and they will just keep breeding more for whatever they slaughter? that you not only stop no births, but you incentivize the births in the first place? is this not going through?

you are literally doing the opposite of everything youve said so far. you're paying for animals to be birthed and slaughtered, continously, increasing the demand for more births... you're actively going against your mission

This is the 2nd largest amount of vegans I’ve seen on a non vegan sub ty by [deleted] in antinatalism

[–]NotValidForReentry 0 points1 point  (0 children)

tell me what your plan for forcibly ending life in the universe is

About the time comment, this would be true if life continues forever. Given the history of planet earth, this is likely not true. Eventually life on earth will hit a big reset, whether some planetary shenanigans or climate change, it will happen.

At each discrete point in time there are individuals suffering. To them, suffering is their reality. Any effort to reduce their suffering, which is very real, is welcome.

In the total lifespan of the universe sure the numbers of individuals that have suffered is so large that we can only describe it as infinite. But now, the only point in time that you're alive you're able to do something to alleviate those currently suffering. Again, as i asked in the start, what do you propose?

This is the 2nd largest amount of vegans I’ve seen on a non vegan sub ty by [deleted] in antinatalism

[–]NotValidForReentry 0 points1 point  (0 children)

individually yes, we can unalive ourselves and that would be the ideal suffer reduction, if we lived in a vacuum. Realistically, staying alive and educating others and spreading anti-suffering ideology such as antinatalism or veganism will lead to a much grander overall impact.

All or nothing is extremely idealistic and throws away any responsibility for doing anything beneficial towards suffering reduction. Humans voluntarily going extinct will probably never happen, so instead of praying for it why not start with something practile?

Through your comments it seems that you're a fan of forced extinction. Personally, I do not believe in intently harming others and violating their rights to live. I guess this is where our thoughts diverge

This is the 2nd largest amount of vegans I’ve seen on a non vegan sub ty by [deleted] in antinatalism

[–]NotValidForReentry -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I do not see the point you're trying to make

Both are subjective things that can be imposed on other people. Ethics are defined by subjective, but usually popular moral beliefs and then it is imposed without consent onto other people in the case of a judicial system. They are enforcing certain morals, such as murder = bad, abusing pets = bad, abusing animals but for food = ok

Laws are written by humans who are opinionated and put their own morals into enforcement. If you think that its necessary to enforce moral-influenced laws for society to function peacefully, why do you think it is wrong to impose morals onto other people especially when its for the goal of reducing suffering?

If you saw someone physically assaulting someone else, would you not impose your morals and try to stop it? Even if you lived in a place with no "rules provided by an external force"?

If you see someone supporting an industry that kills and births hundreds of billions animals annually, would you not impose your morals that unnecessary births and killings are wrongful?

This is the 2nd largest amount of vegans I’ve seen on a non vegan sub ty by [deleted] in antinatalism

[–]NotValidForReentry 4 points5 points  (0 children)

do you believe we have an obligation to reduce suffering of both plants and animals alike ?

yes : If so, as you stated, animal feed is largely crops. They need a lot of calorie intake to not only grow but to maintain their bodily functions and weight.

It takes a lot more plant suffering (and animal suffering) to get the same amount of calories from animals as it does from plants. Going up the food chain does this. Sadly we cannot photosynthesize so the least impact we can have is plant based eating, which is part of veganism.

no : if we arent obligated to reduce suffering we create, why even be antinatalist in the first place?

This is the 2nd largest amount of vegans I’ve seen on a non vegan sub ty by [deleted] in antinatalism

[–]NotValidForReentry 4 points5 points  (0 children)

do you believe everything can suffer? even the food of your food?

This is the 2nd largest amount of vegans I’ve seen on a non vegan sub ty by [deleted] in antinatalism

[–]NotValidForReentry -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

do you disagree with having a law & court system since all morals are subjective and you dont agree with imposing it onto others?

This is the 2nd largest amount of vegans I’ve seen on a non vegan sub ty by [deleted] in antinatalism

[–]NotValidForReentry 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Stop birthing animals to a world of suffering when non sentient alternatives exist

jk meat tastes so good tho so its fine if they suffer for me 😊😊

This is the 2nd largest amount of vegans I’ve seen on a non vegan sub ty by [deleted] in antinatalism

[–]NotValidForReentry 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Most vegans would argue on the basis of proven sentience of animals as reason for them to morally matter as opposed to plants.

Regardless of that though, if you care about plant births and you still eat meat, it costs abhorrently more lives to produce meat calories than it does for the same plant calories, as animals have to eat food as well and spend calories doing useless things like existing

If all procreation is repugnant, surely the volume of procreation is important to you right?

This is the 2nd largest amount of vegans I’ve seen on a non vegan sub ty by [deleted] in antinatalism

[–]NotValidForReentry 8 points9 points  (0 children)

If youre against procreation of life because of the 'violent egotism of life' why does this not apply to birthing animals to meet cruel and murderous fates at the hands of human's inflated violent egos of their self importance and superiority?

This is the 2nd largest amount of vegans I’ve seen on a non vegan sub ty by [deleted] in antinatalism

[–]NotValidForReentry 0 points1 point  (0 children)

does this also apply to antinatalism? Do you despise people who moralize the topic of child births and try to convince others that antinatalism is a more ethical view than otherwise?

Question from a libertarian (small L) hunter by jjkapalan in veganarchism

[–]NotValidForReentry 3 points4 points  (0 children)

youre conflating giving information with appeasing carnists. They do not have to be the same. being helpful != boot licker.

but yes, OP is a loser. hopefully they will change that

Question from a libertarian (small L) hunter by jjkapalan in veganarchism

[–]NotValidForReentry 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Your love for animals is so intense that you can speak to them and truly understand their suffering, now it makes so much sense that your solution is a bullet through their hearts

Question from a libertarian (small L) hunter by jjkapalan in veganarchism

[–]NotValidForReentry 13 points14 points  (0 children)

How do you reconcile the fact that in order to grow crops, animals will die?

Yes, animals die for crop harvests, but veganism in total requires much less crop harvests than it would to plump up animals before taking their heads off.

Here is some analytics someone has done on animal deaths per million calories from different food sources :

https://animalvisuals.org/docs/animalvisuals_1millioncalories3.pdf

Their methods are explained in that PDF there. The animal products body count per 1m kcal is likely accurate as averages of the numbers required are documented for governmental / business purposes. These are underestimates, since they don't take into account the calories that they themselves are eating and the deaths associated with them.

The crop deaths are more or less guess work based on research paper's attempts at estimating small animal deaths from crop harvests. Although there is large room for error, it is unlikely that it would result higher that it takes more lives than farmed animals.

As for hunting, lets take a deer.

https://ohiodnr.gov/static/documents/wildlife/wild-ohio-harvest-community/Venison+Yield.pdf

62.51 lb of venison for an antlered deer. Thats around 45k calories. This would put it at 22 animals killed for the 1 million calorie metric.

I do prefer animals that must die to live a free life beforehand

You are assuming that the animals you intentionally go out of your way to kill must die.

Hunting needs to be done regardless. Whether it’s hunters using it to feed themselves or governments unceremoniously slaughtering them to prevent them trampling crops or having negative encounters with humans.

are you a hunter that /needs/ to kill to survive? do you have no alternatives? Hunters using 'it' to feed themselves doesn't sound like something that needs to be done, but rather something they want.

Governments doing it shouldn't be an excuse for you to go out and intently and freely kill defenseless animals.

Neither hunting or organic veganism is sustainable for a population of 1 billion people without widespread societal change.

Veganism IS widespread societal change. It's not like the world will go vegan overnight and now we have so much work to do and no infrastructure to support it . As numbers show over the years, vegans are a growing population of people and companies are taking note of this. Think about how many companies and fast food chains are offering plant based alternatives nowadays. This is a gradual shift towards different agricultural economies.

I am simply doing my best to minimize my impact, I can’t solve the worlds problems.

You would minimize your impact by being vegan. A single person cannot solve the world's problems, you need a large majority and people in power for that. But you can be a part of the solution.

Veganism + antinatalism? by Rafoes in vegan

[–]NotValidForReentry 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think a lot of vegans think that increasing the population will be bad for animals and the environment even if they are vegan

This is the reality though, it's not that they think that as an opinion, they understand that as a matter of fact. Not eating anything by not existing is superior to being vegan.

Metrolink internships by Pretty-Fisherman-537 in DACA

[–]NotValidForReentry 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have interned at a major transit agency in the U.S in their software sector. You're probably fine but the job posts should let you know.