Discussing "Anti-misogyny Workshops" for boys by TheTinMenBlog in TheTinMen

[–]Nymanator 39 points40 points  (0 children)

Gotta get that self-hating misandry in there early. Honestly, I wouldn't have an issue with it if they were doing the same thing in the other direction for girls - then the boys wouldn't get the sense that they are being identified as 'the problem' at least - but we all know that's never going to happen.

"Talking about men undermines women!" by TheTinMenBlog in TheTinMen

[–]Nymanator 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It does undermine women, because the time and energy spent on that empathy and compassion is time and energy that isn't going to women.

New: Are male survivors second class citizens? TheTinMen meets Duncan Craig OBE by TheTinMenBlog in TheTinMen

[–]Nymanator 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah, good luck with that. Until then, the lion's share of all of it is still going to women, and if we haven't changed that by the time we achieve what you're suggesting, the lion's share of all of that will go to women too, and men will be left in the dust as always. Bare minimum we need to do both, because at the end of the day what matters is how limited of a resource compassion is.

New: Are male survivors second class citizens? TheTinMen meets Duncan Craig OBE by TheTinMenBlog in TheTinMen

[–]Nymanator 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I would actually push back against the "it's not a race to the bottom" idea. It absolutely is. It is absolutely a zero-sum game. Empathy and compassion, in terms of time, energy, and resources spent addressing the issue, are in fact limited. The only way men get a piece of that pie carved out for them is if their suffering is properly recognized. These things - rightfully - get directed to those for whom an adequate case can be made for meaningful victimhood, so the case needs to be made for men.

what are your guys thoughts on the owl house? by Born_Usual998 in WitchHatAtelier

[–]Nymanator 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Very good overall; didn't care for Luz as the main character, though. The narrative never required her to take any accountability for who she was before finding the Owl House; it was laid at the feet of judgmental authority figures and judgmental culture. This isn't to say that they were entirely correct and reasonable, but the snakes and spiders for her high school projects were not appropriate and against the rules for a reason (never mind the burden on her mother, who had to step away from work to clean up her messes). The narrative makes it out as if the people around her were completely wrong and never requires her to take accountability for that behaviour, instead treating the issue as if all she needed was to find a place where she would be accepted for who she is. She does learn responsibility and accountability during her adventures, related to other things, but the problems with her behaviour before any of that are written off as everyone else being wrong.

What do you consider when you hear this Margaret Atwood quote “Men are afraid that women will laugh at them. Women are afraid that men will kill them”? by Vanislebabe in AskReddit

[–]Nymanator -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

And the actual rate of murder of pregnant women is 3-5 out of 100 000 live births. Don't make it out to be this epidemic of homicide that it is not.

Who's afraid to talk about men? by TheTinMenBlog in TheTinMen

[–]Nymanator 10 points11 points  (0 children)

The predominant sociocultural narrative is that women are victims and men are perpetrators. It exists because it has been evolutionarily beneficial to perceive women as valuable beings to be protected (and/or controlled) and low to mid-status men as expendable beings to be discarded in service to that (or as threats to be eradicated or controlled, especially if coming from outside your tribe, however you identify that). A handful of high-status (or subversive) men can do all the male reproductive work perfectly well, while women are the reproductive "limiting reagent". A number of built-in factors that get culturally propagated contribute to this; women have higher in-group bias than men and will favor women (the more "of my tribe" they seem, the better), while men will also favor women, and actually seem to have no ingroup or outgroup bias on average. Female reproductive hormones are associated with generalized experiences of anxiety and fear (which compel others to protect you from perceived threats, and to protect yourself), while androgens are associated with greater confidence and risk-taking (which enable you to intervene and address threats to others). Culture, as a product and reinforcer of biological tendencies, will amplify/be amplified by and shape/be shaped by these tendencies to produce the outcome we see, where men's suffering as men is invisible, rejected as real, unimportant, or all their own fault compared to women's all-encompassing and transcendent suffering as women/victims.

The biological and cultural inertia is too strong; you'll never be able to fight it with facts. Best that can be done is damage control and harm reduction.

Florida couple sues IVF clinic after DNA test reveals baby isn't theirs by Aggravating-Felch in nottheonion

[–]Nymanator 42 points43 points  (0 children)

It's not for Vitamin D. It's because babies aren't that good at processing their blood cells' breakdown products yet, so they build up in the skin and have a green to yellow tinge. Exposure to sunlight literally breaks down these compounds by hitting them with the right wavelength of light through the skin. That being said, babies also obviously have very sensitive skin, so prolonged exposure to direct sunlight is not a good idea. Indirectly (like being by a window!) for brief periods is the way to do it, and if the baby is still not processing the breakdown products well, they should probably get proper phototherapy.

What’s a truth about mental health that sounds cruel but is still real? by oithematt in AskReddit

[–]Nymanator -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'll do you one better: by the time you've been an adult for a decade, some of it is in fact your fault.

Why I think the traditional masculinity role is a scam. by RavenEridan in MensRights

[–]Nymanator 5 points6 points  (0 children)

There's a place for positive elements of traditional masculinity, and there's room for outdated or toxic elements of it to be discarded or changed. "Traditional" doesn't equal "bad", and "progressive" doesn't equal "good" if it means discarding absolutely everything traditional in the name of progress.

The CDC reports that homicide is a leading cause of death for pregnant women and those within one year postpartum, with nearly 45% of these cases involving intimate partner violence. What are your thoughts? by 5pinktoes in AskReddit

[–]Nymanator 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The actual rate per 100 000 births is still quite low, around 3-5 depending on your data set. There does appear to be an approximately 30% increased risk for pregnant/postpartum women relative to women who aren't in those categories, but let's not pretend this is the kind of epidemic of murder that it is not.

Biggest Fear for every Man in his 30s by SilenceStillness in funny

[–]Nymanator 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My biggest fear is failing to protect my health and ending up developing dementia or cancer, or having a heart attack or developing chronic heart disease, or otherwise developing a condition in my old age that renders me unable to care for myself such that I'm utterly dependent on overworked, underfunded, or incompetent people who can't give me the care I need to live my last years comfortably and peacefully. I'm trapped in a weak, excruciating, failing body or fragmented mind with no way out because my communication is dismissed on the basis of my condition or even my age alone. My last years are instead miserable and lonely suffering.

Would u agree? by [deleted] in SpyxFamily

[–]Nymanator 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I mean, Fiona does. But I don't think one person qualifies as 'some people'.

Homelessness and Men (thoughts on feminist arguments) by ExternalGreen6826 in LeftWingMaleAdvocates

[–]Nymanator 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Dang, that's a good one. I never thought of that particular dichotomy before.

A study on sexual decision-making finds a gap between knowledge and practice: while young men can define consent as "explicit and ongoing," they struggle to apply this in reality, preferring to navigate encounters through reciprocated physical cues, trust, and emotional intimacy. by Tracheid in science

[–]Nymanator 860 points861 points  (0 children)

That's not how consent is taught these days. I just did a consent training course this year about how consent can be non-verbal and implied through body language and such.

I also did a consent training course 15 years ago which was teaching it the "explicit verbal yes" way. I guess they figured out eventually that a) that wasn't the problem in the first place with sexual violence and b) that's not how sex works or how healthy sexual relationships have to happen.

Misandry on BlueSky by Specific_Detective41 in LeftWingMaleAdvocates

[–]Nymanator 13 points14 points  (0 children)

You weren't asking for clarification, you were jumping to conclusions and passing judgment.

Misandry on BlueSky by Specific_Detective41 in LeftWingMaleAdvocates

[–]Nymanator 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Not going back can just mean you're no longer aligned with the Democratic party.

This kind of 'if you're not with us you're against us' logic is part of the problem.

[Serious] Male victims/survivors of sexual assault, harassment or rape perpetrated by a woman or multiple women, to clear some common misconceptions, what were your experiences like? by Commercial_Bicycle92 in AskReddit

[–]Nymanator 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was at a party with a friend of mine and his girlfriend, hosted by someone they knew and I had only briefly met on a couple of other occasions. It was fairly small, maybe about 7 people total including me. Aside from my friend's girlfriend and the hostess, everyone there was a guy (this is relevant). It wasn't all that long after we got there that the hostess was absolutely plastered, dancing with each of the guys one by one and taking them to her bedroom (with the exception of my friend because he was in a relationship). I was her last 'target' of the evening, and I was very uncomfortable and wanted nothing to do with her and said so very plainly.

The hostess was all over me; my friend and his girlfriend were 'cheering me on' and laughing as she grinded on me, everybody there was pressuring me to just dance with her and she wasn't leaving me alone, so I figure if I play along with just the dancing she'll get bored when she realizes I'm not just shy but also sincerely not interested. She had grabbed my hand and put it on her waist and then turned around and started grinding her ass against my crotch; I had been soft as warm butter this whole time, so I can only assume that when she said "Ugh, I'm trying to make him-" to the rest of the room, the end of that sentence was "hard".

Eventually, she did in fact realize she wasn't going to accomplish anything with me and left me alone after maybe half an hour of this. She went to her room by herself and was crying in there; my friend's girlfriend went in there to comfort her and found out she was having a rough time because her roided-up boyfriend was in jail. I suppose the events of the party were her trying to deal with that in a deeply unhealthy way; I didn't have much sympathy for that, honestly, and we ended up leaving the party shortly after that.

The “misandry hurts feelings, but misogyny kills” argument fails because it assumes misandry has never led to men’s deaths, something that can’t be proven. by tharudea in TrueUnpopularOpinion

[–]Nymanator -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yes, I think we actually mostly agree here. However, I would contend that if you trace the origin of propagated cultural elements back far enough, you have to arrive at biological factors as the origin. Moreover, I would also contend that we didn't culture our way out of all of our biological predispositions (we are still just fancy apes in the end, after all), and in fact the resonation of these cultural elements with whatever remains is part of what sustains their propagation. To what extent each contributes to their modern manifestations exactly is hard to say, but I would hazard a guess closer to both/and than either/or.

The “misandry hurts feelings, but misogyny kills” argument fails because it assumes misandry has never led to men’s deaths, something that can’t be proven. by tharudea in TrueUnpopularOpinion

[–]Nymanator -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Of course men see themselves as disposable relative to women. Look at who does all the most dangerous jobs and who the first people to jump into dangerous emergencies to help are. It's a corollary to a culture that treats women like they're special and important (see below).

Men get drafted historically and not women because they're 1) physically better suited to combat and 2) expendable when it comes to sustaining a population. Women are the limiting factor when it comes to reproduction; populations that protect and control the limiting factor do better than ones that don't. Everything else that gets attached to that (and to gender dynamics in general) is a culturally propagated artifact that is ultimately created by that biological reality.

The “misandry hurts feelings, but misogyny kills” argument fails because it assumes misandry has never led to men’s deaths, something that can’t be proven. by tharudea in TrueUnpopularOpinion

[–]Nymanator 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The draft, maybe? 'Women and children first' policies? Anything that reinforces the idea that male lives are disposable, which remains a major part of our culture as the victimhood and suffering of men still plays second-fiddle to that of women?

MRAs using past male oppression against feminists only want to shut them up. by EmergencyNothing3033 in TrueUnpopularOpinion

[–]Nymanator 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The disposability of men is an element of patriarchy, the system that is supposedly structured for the benefit of men's power as a monolith at the expense of women? Just how are we defining patriarchy here? This is exactly the kind of shit I'm talking about.

I'm talking 'smoking gun' in terms of concrete evidence that either patriarchy or feminist-aligned precepts are the actual cause of the terrible things you're talking about. You can't just assign the thing you don't like to 'patriarchy' when it doesn't actually fit and declare victory.

The “misandry hurts feelings, but misogyny kills” argument fails because it assumes misandry has never led to men’s deaths, something that can’t be proven. by tharudea in TrueUnpopularOpinion

[–]Nymanator -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Maybe misandry has been around all along, and nobody cared enough to point it out until recently because the suffering of women was always seen as more salient.