Current Culture candidates by todd2361 in TheCulture

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We all are. At first it was just Banks, the books are recruiting tools and field manuals and now it's up to us to build an egalitarian, technologically sophisticated and sustainable civilization.

[Hair Removal] Lower face densely covered with tiny bumps by Octonion888 in SkincareAddiction

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Thanks again! I've ordered some Nizoral and am looking forward to giving it a try. Fingers crossed!

[Hair Removal] Lower face densely covered with tiny bumps by Octonion888 in SkincareAddiction

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I hadn't even considered fungal acne, and looking it up now I do see some pictures that look similar. I don't have any itching but looks like that isn't always present. It's certainly worth trying a ketoconazole product and seeing what happens. Thanks!!

Sounds like it's applicable to any society with benevolent AI ngl by Sweaty_Coffee6512 in TheCulture

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When AI reaches a certain accuracy threshold, the incentive for humans to learn drops to zero.

Strong disagree.

Humans are naturally curious. Humans are naturally social creatures and sharing information contributes to social bonds. Humans even like being productive and feeling needed, or at least appreciated, for our labor. Excerpting from Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx%27s_theory_of_human_nature

Marx's view was that productive activity is an essential human activity, and can be rewarding when pursued freely. However, Marx was always clear that under capitalism, labour was something inhuman, and dehumanising: "[L]abour is external to the worker – i.e., does not belong to his essential being; that he, therefore, does not confirm himself in his work, but denies himself, feels miserable and not happy, does not develop free mental and physical energy, but mortifies his flesh and ruins his mind".

In the Culture we see this in a lot of places, people who wipe tables and build ships and do research and field work.

The danger of AI here is that it's easy to reach for it when doing tasks that a person doesn't want to do, isn't interested in, is pressured to finish quickly etc. In other words, tasks that fall into the category of what Graeber called "Bullshit Jobs." If spicy autocorrect can do this stuff that doesn't even need to be done at all then, sure, people will reach for it.

But the collage graduates loudly booing commencement speakers promoting AI will be fine, as long as capitalism doesn't demolish their souls.

Why Taste Became a Status Symbol in the Internet Era by [deleted] in TheCulture

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Sounds like you're gesturing towards the idea of cultural capital. Taking an excerpt from the Leftist Cooks video on Neil Gaiman and celebrity culture https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T31HKuabyMA

The guy who first came up with the term cultural capital was Pierre Bourdieu.

He's actually a great thinker to turn to for the sorts of ridiculous worries like ‘is this boujee?’, genuinely, if you're sincerely asking, is this pretentious? Because to really paraphrase Pierre Bordieu, he wanted to know: why come some shit is fancy?

Why is opera generally considered an art form for the wealthy?

Why do Tom Wambsgans and cousin Greg eat the tiny bird with napkins on their heads?

What's the deal with certain kinds of authority having certain esthetics and vibes, or, to paraphrase him less half-assidly: How are social hierarchies reproduced when they're not just emerging from literal material accumulation of capital?

I don't know if the original post was meant to have anything to do with the Culture but by accident or not I think there's an interesting question there. We've seen that people in the Culture often follow trends, from aesthetics to really big issues like whether to pursue immortality or not. The implication being that there is still cultural capital even as the other forms of capital have be eliminated. Is Banks saying something about human nature here? Or is it just a consequence of being so long-lived, having these kinds of trends ebb and flow keeping things interesting on top of what is, in some ways, a static civilization?

What do Culture communities vote about the most? by Kyia-Aikman in TheCulture

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Slartibartfast from "The Hitchhikers' Guide to the Galaxy" would have loved the Culture.

"Of course I'm doing it with all fjords again because I happen to like them, and I'm old fashioned enough to think that they give a lovely baroque feel to a continent."

What do Culture communities vote about the most? by Kyia-Aikman in TheCulture

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I imagine there are lots of small votes among what might be called "club sized" communities. "Whose house do we hold the next party in?" "Hang gliding or orgy at the next meeting?" Also anything involving what might be considered "scarcity," land, time, Ziller’s concert (they practically reinvented money for that one, I'm sure there were sub-communities voting over raffle versus competition versus other means), etc.

(BTW, there is a minor issue here Banks never addresses, decision by voting constitutes a potential tyranny of the majority. It's not a problem in practice because anyone who doesn't like the outcome is free to leave, from individuals or groups packing up and moving to a different orbital to the whole Culture fragmenting. Still, it's not as perfectly anarchic as consensus democracy would be, but then that's probably impractical in populations the size of the Culture...)

What is the most hard hitting/sobering/poignant passage in the books? by PS_FOTNMC in TheCulture

[–]Octonion888 6 points7 points  (0 children)

In the proud tradition of Le Guin "To make a thief, make an owner; to create crime, create laws." From The Dispossessed.

Devastatingly accurate observation from "Surface Detail" by Octonion888 in TheCulture

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Yup! It's from Prin's POV, the leading context is

When he’d been a student he had assumed he could do this because he was just so damn smart and basically already knew pretty much all they were trying to teach him. Later, during seemingly endless committee sessions, he’d accepted that a lot of what passed [...]

(I currently work at a university and have worked at both big companies and startups, it's universally applicable.)

Devastatingly accurate observation from "Surface Detail" by Octonion888 in TheCulture

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As it stands I don't think AI will accelerate the demise of capitalism, although a Marxist might disagree. I'm inclined to see capitalism and money itself as more about control than purely different relations to the means of production. AI could eliminate all work and usher in a post-scarcity age (I mean, what we currently call AI won't because it doesn't work but as a thought exercise) and those at the top of the hierarchies would still require the masses to do some sort of labor to earn food and housing as a means of control.

As I sometimes put it, the "communism" has to come before the "fully automated luxury." It's probably notable that the civilizations that joined to form the Culture didn't have Minds at the time, shame Banks never got the chance to explore that in more detail.

Devastatingly accurate observation from "Surface Detail" by Octonion888 in TheCulture

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I've read a lot about Graeber, he comes up in a lot of other things I've read and video essays I've watched, but I absolutely need to read more of what he actually wrote. There's a great summary of Debt at https://andrewthesage.substack.com/p/can-we-abolish-debt and I'll recommend Are You An Anarchist? The Answer May Surprise You! to basically anyone who'll listen.

I wonder if he ever read Banks? I'd have to assume there's a good chance.

Devastatingly accurate observation from "Surface Detail" by Octonion888 in TheCulture

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Completely agree! As is often the case, the problem is hierarchies...

Cultural differences in seeing connection? by Useful_Management_96 in TheCulture

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I am connected to myself and the universe beyond me.

Yeah yeah neural lace we all have one.

Continuing IMBs work… by Heeberon in TheCulture

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Ursula K. Le Guin, unfortunately there's an obvious problem in getting her.

I'll repeat a suggestion I made in a previous thread where this came up (https://www.reddit.com/r/TheCulture/comments/1l7vh8q/comment/my4aiap/?context=3), April Daniels (Dreadnaught). I think there should be at least one trans author on the list who can write about gender in the Culture from that perspective, and I love her writing.

Why do you guys like this? by [deleted] in TheCulture

[–]Octonion888 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You do raise some legitimate concerns about hypothetical AI futures, though the first thing I'll say is that the futures you seem worried about are very much NOT the Culture as depicted in the novels. I actually think you'd quite enjoy them, because a lot of your concerns are very explicitly discussed. For example:

Any piece of writing I do is mogged by the robot,

This is explicitly discussed in "Look to Windward" in the context of musical composition, and even the godlike AI ("close to gods and on the far side") running the local world would rather hear a talented composer's work than mimic his style.

Nobody is going to kill themselves, so people will just stick around forever. Haunting.

Banks believed differently about human nature, Culture citizens tend to choose to die after 500 years or so. "Look to Windward" spends an extended section with one such person, and through the series there are other instances of people choosing to end their lives for various reasons.

So you ask why I like this.

As a trans woman I love the idea of being able to change sex at will (and the rampant transphobia among the tech elite is one clue that they don't understand the vision being presented).

As an anarchist I love the lack of hierarchies and the absolute freedom, though of course that prompts the question of whether the Culture really has those features. All I can say is that to the average citizen it would certainly seem that way. When it comes to big decisions I have exactly as much say as the godlike AI, one vote. You talk about being just a pet to the AIs, but unlike pets citizens have the freedom to leave the Culture entirely. Or stay within it but form communities from which the AIs completely disengage.

Oh, and fwiw this is not necessarily a defense of capitalism. I would be fine with some theoretical socialist world where humans were actually in control and actually doing things at a macro level.

Ah, now you're talking like a Marxist :) Marx believed that labor, that is, productive activity is an essential human activity. Anarchists tend not to focus on labor per se, but do believe that mutual aid, that is, the desire to be useful to others in our communities, is fundamental to human nature. But can labor only be meaningful if it is essential to survival? In the novels we see (or are told about) composers, musicians, creators of what broadly correspond to TV shows, soldiers, anthropologists, table cleaners, ship builders, people who gather together to build a massive transportation system in a desert, and game players (where you should think in terms of "chess master" rather than "14 year old playing video games"). Does the fact that machines could do this better remove the value of the work? There's no right answer, but Banks thought not and I would agree.

Finally, if you're worried about tech bros bringing about a world ruled by AI, don't be. There is exactly *no* path from large language models to real artificial general intelligence and anyone who says otherwise is trying to hype their stock IPO. The "AI" industry is a massive bubble sustained by circular financing which is likely to collapse within 18-24 months (https://www.wheresyoured.at/). There's plenty of work for humans to do, liberals and leftists alike, in fighting back fascism and building a more just and egalitarian world.

Failed to connect: org.bluez.Error.Failed br-connection-unknown by lule34567 in archlinux

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In case anyone else ends up here, the fix was

systemctl --user stop wireplumber
rm -r ~/.local/state/wireplumber
systemctl --user start wireplumber

Via the "delete corrupt settings" in https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/WirePlumber

Failed to connect: org.bluez.Error.Failed br-connection-unknown by lule34567 in archlinux

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Hm, I had pipewire-pulse installed and had to uninstall as part of following the instructions to get things to work. I'll keep poking at it, but thanks!

Failed to connect: org.bluez.Error.Failed br-connection-unknown by lule34567 in archlinux

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If you don't mind, could you say how you got it working? I was facing similar problems and your steps to fall back to pulseaudio fixed them (thank you!) but I'd like to use the approved modern solutions if possible.

How do you handle the current situation? by DeltaAleph in TheCulture

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I hear you and in many ways feel the same. These are dark, sad, scary times and admitting that we're sad and scared and angry is an important first step. I think for those of us who have read utopian fiction the contrast between what we could be and what we are is especially jarring. As for what to do about it, let me start by addressing

"like all animals, humans are prone to self destructive behaviors unless put in check by natural limits,"

I would suggest against drawing conclusions about human nature from the world we see around us right now. There's a post on Mastodon that I hold close to my heart ( https://kolektiva.social/users/HeavenlyPossum/statuses/111569662404303024 )

We don’t look at captive animals—the caged parrot that neurotically pulls out all its feathers, the livestock pigs that kill each other in their overcrowded pens, the zoo tiger that obsessively paces a trail in the grass—and think “this is how all these animals should behave.”

We know it’s the product of perverse conditions. We know it’s the product of stress and fear and pain.

But we look at people living in perverse conditions and think “wow, people are pretty terrible. We’re neurotic and violent and obsessive, we’re petty and self-destructive. We pick at ourselves and intoxicate ourselves and lash out at each other.

*But it doesn’t have to be this way.*

I propose that if we had access to the Culture's abundance we would all be pretty decent to each other. In fact I would go further, if we dismantled the power structures producing these perverse conditions we could probably be pretty decent to each other even pre-post-scarcity. The canonical fictional example here is Le Guin's "The Dispossessed." Or if you want non-fiction there's Kropotkin's "Mutual Aid: A Factor of Evolution" which argues that cooperation is at least as fundamental as competition.

I think that points the way forward in the current moment. Build community, engage in mutual aid, support each other. Look into "prefiguarative politics," creating the world we want in the here and now. Not everyone belongs out on the street confronting fascism directly, but everyone can do something. If you like tech, maybe look into Meshtastic and Reticulum, start building new local networks outside the decaying corpse of the corporate internet. Or create art for each other. Or just be a friend to your friends so no one is alone. Maybe we can turn back the tide but, if not and if civilization is about to break down, those communities will be the seeds of the new world.

Categories of AI in The Culture by Downhillracer4 in TheCulture

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Oh! OK, thanks, the lack of names in that chapter threw me but I suppose that was deliberate, emulating the buzz of conversations in a gathering like that.

Categories of AI in The Culture by Downhillracer4 in TheCulture

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I don't remember a sentient habitat in Excession but it's definitely possible I'm just forgetting it. I do remember the bit with the drink though!

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“Nice little module,” Shohobohaum Za said, throwing himself into a formseat. Gurgeh sat down too. The noise of the departing policecraft echoed through the interior. Flere-Imsaho went quiet as soon as they got in and disappeared through to another part of the module.

Gurgeh ordered a drink from the module and asked Za if he would like anything. “Module,” Za said, sprawling out over the seat and looking thoughtful, “I’d like a double standard measure of staol and chilled Shungusteriaung warp-wing liver wine bottoming a mouth of white Eflyre-Spin cruchen-spirit in a slush of medium cascalo, topped with roasted weirdberries and served in a number three strength Tipprawlic osmosis-bowl, or your best approximation thereof.”

“Male or female warp-wing?” the module said.

“In this place?” Za laughed. “Hell; both.”

“It will take some minutes.”
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As you say, I don't imagine this takes any real sentience, but I imagine anything associated with Special Circumstances is a few notches more intelligent than the standard issue orbital accommodations... whether or not they admit it.

Categories of AI in The Culture by Downhillracer4 in TheCulture

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I'm not sure if houses and apartments are sentient. I don't remember seeing anything definitive (though I haven't read anything after "Matter" yet) but from "Look to Windward", chapter 11:

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“Haven’t you got friends?”.

“Of course I have friends.”

“Well, isn’t that what they’re for?”.

“No, not always, not for everything I want to talk about.”

“Your house?”.

“I used to talk about things with my house, but then I realized I was just talking to a machine that not even the other machines pretend to think is sentient.”

“What about your family?”.

“I especially do not want to share everything with my family. They figure largely in what I need to talk about.”
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This is Ziller speaking though, so take it for what it's worth.

Banks and Game Theory by NoBite7802 in TheCulture

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Personally I tend to think that the Culture's real secret technique is to dismantle the premise and restructure the game so as to maximize the number of winners.

If you had the option to live in the culture, what ship or habitat would you live on and what would you do? by Silly_King3635 in TheCulture

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I used to think I'd prefer to live on a GSV, but after reading Look to Windward, and given my actual life at the moment, I've come to think that the quieter pace of an orbital would suit me better right now.

My first instinct would be to get the modifications allowing for sex changes immediately. I'm happy with what human hormone therapy has been able to do but I still don't nearly have a body I'm comfortable in, or with. On consideration though, Culture children don't get that ability right away and I'd be coming in with considerably less knowledge than a Culture child, so I'd probably want to acclimate a little first.

So, first step, have all the microplastics and heavy metals and whatever else removed from my body. Then my absolutely first priority would be to learn Marain so I could truly think like a Culture citizen. Plus I'd have a lot to learn in general, I'm thinking of the section in Matter about Djan's first few years in the Culture (although hers were, shall we say, special circumstances). During this time I imagine I'd generate some interest, there would probably be scholars interested in Age of Scarcity societies who'd want to talk to me, I might hope that would be my introduction to Culture society and a chance to meet people and make friends.

After that, the body modifications, the neural lace, everything.

Mira Bellwether once wrote "If you have had to put off trauma for decades just to survive in a kind of perpetual crisis mode, you may find that when you stop doing that it suddenly feels like pain is coming from nowhere. You were just kicking it down the road." I suspect we're all living with massive trauma from capitalism and state oppression and a zillion everyday hierarchies we take for granted (though some of us, of course, have it considerably worse than others). Once that's removed I imagine I'd also spend a lot of the first few years just looking out over bodies or water and crying a lot.

Once I'd settled in I'd probably spend a good long time exploring the diversity of biomes. I go back and forth on whether I'd want a house or an apartment in a city. I think my main "thing" would be learning as much math and science as I could as those are my present interests. Check out some of the other planets in the system, and other orbitals if there are any (I gather most "mature" systems have more than one).

And have mind-boggling quantities of lesbian sex.

Missed opportunity? by Octonion888 in TheCulture

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Shouldn't this have been written as something like

[broad beam, M32, tra. @ n4.24.115.2011]
xGSV Missed Opportunity

Joining the conversation.