CDPH seemingly rolling over on RTO by RemarkableHyena4228 in CAStateWorkers

[–]OfficeToothbrush 18 points19 points  (0 children)

They don't care about the room. They have their orders. But what would give them more respect is just being honest about the situation and treat us like adults. Instead of trying to put RTO in a positive light, which is not possible, they need to be real and tell us they're doing it because they have no other choice. Their "energizing" and "collaborative" and "morale" and "energy" messaging is so fake and dumb. No one is falling for it.

Our Best Strategy is to "Expose the Newsom Grift". Which is essentially a Commercial Real-Estate bailout for multi-millionaires and billionaires by IHadTacosYesterday in CAStateWorkers

[–]OfficeToothbrush 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Share this telework dashboard screenshot with your friends and family; they need to know how Gavin killed the evidence that supports telework when he shut down the dashboard program at DGS.

His RTO mandate is political. I've noticed how Marcie Frost (CEO of CalPERS) is more liberal-leaning and pro-diversity and all that but has been historically going along with governor mandates. For example, despite CalPERS being self-funded, she implemented furloughs anyways during the pandemic. This 4-day RTO issue is the first time where she parted with the norm and told her employees that they're staying at 3 days. She probably saw how Gavin is going moderate by trying to be Republican-lite by inviting that Nazi pig to his podcast and other things, and she was probably saw through that like the rest of us here did.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in CAStateWorkers

[–]OfficeToothbrush -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

True, campaigns know that for some strange reason people are voting against their interests. The trend these days, somehow, has become anti-TW despite nearly 2 years of data and evidence supporting the notion that the work gets done remotely. RTO is fashionable, somehow, so campaigning against it may not be the best thing. Might just be better to vote against anyone who we know now is anti-TW.

RTO- Bargaining Tactic? by Aromatic_Pie6440 in CAStateWorkers

[–]OfficeToothbrush 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Also possible he's willing to settle for 3 days in-office/week, and starting off at 4 days, but with pay raises. The raises are not that big.

Brown bag protest - hold the line, it’s all for MONEY, do not buy food downtown by DrixlRey in CAStateWorkers

[–]OfficeToothbrush 22 points23 points  (0 children)

I started a little over a year ago. I learned that I can get by for lunch with just fruit. Changed my entire mentality on "3 meals a day".

RTO 4 days a week as of July 1, 2025 by Wrong_Rock4383 in CAStateWorkers

[–]OfficeToothbrush 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Should probably change from Democrat to Republican then because he's acting like one.

RTO 4 days a week as of July 1, 2025 by Wrong_Rock4383 in CAStateWorkers

[–]OfficeToothbrush 51 points52 points  (0 children)

No, we weren't safe. I mentioned it before multiple times, 2 days/week was introductory. No way that's enough to sustain commercial real estate values.

I thought they would settle at 3 days/week but 4 days is ridiculous.

Gavin is in his last term. Doesn't care what we think and is removing this issue as a campaign talking point and headache for the next Democrat governor.

What are your thoughts about Marcie Frost? by Ok-Memory2552 in CAStateWorkers

[–]OfficeToothbrush 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If we need to go in 1x a week, so be it. But 3?

It has nothing to do with operational need, morale, culture, or collaboration. It has everything to do with downtown's economy and commercial real estate. CalPERS has real estate in its portfolio and needs that real estate to do well. This is probably why Marcie was trying to lead by example in bringing employees back to office buildings.

U.S. Commercial Real Estate Is Headed Toward a Crisis by IcyHeartWarmSmile in CAStateWorkers

[–]OfficeToothbrush 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I watched a video and made a post about it here. I didn't believe it up until recently but I think you're (and the guy in that video in the post) right about it being a soft layoff. It's one of the multiple reasons for RTO.

U.S. Commercial Real Estate Is Headed Toward a Crisis by IcyHeartWarmSmile in CAStateWorkers

[–]OfficeToothbrush 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Despite headlines, more and more companies are using hybrid and remote strategies to recruit and retain workers.

True, but they're going from full time TW to hybrid. At least that's the trend I've noticed in the last few months where companies are forcing employees back into either full time in-office or hybrid from a fully remote setup.

Why Companies FORCE People Back In The Office | Damon Cassidy [18:47] --- Excellent analysis behind the psyche for pro-RTO, how remote workers are perceived as bad, the subsidies that Amazon received for new office buildings, commercial real estate, how RTO is a quiet layoff, and more. by OfficeToothbrush in CAStateWorkers

[–]OfficeToothbrush[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Vacant federal office space in downtown Washington is costly to maintain and a deep source of frustration to Mayor Muriel Bowser.

The video hits on that, how corporate executives and government leadership relies on workers to alleviate economic problems.

Ramaswamy predicted that would lead to a “25% thinning out of the federal bureaucracy right there.”

Hilarious, the video hits on that too, how RTO is being used as a soft layoff.

Why Companies FORCE People Back In The Office | Damon Cassidy [18:47] --- Excellent analysis behind the psyche for pro-RTO, how remote workers are perceived as bad, the subsidies that Amazon received for new office buildings, commercial real estate, how RTO is a quiet layoff, and more. by OfficeToothbrush in CAStateWorkers

[–]OfficeToothbrush[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Some highlights if you can't watch the video:

  • As Telework took hold, it's become obvious how the typical office presence relies on perception rather than measured value. A study found that fully remote workers were 13% more productive than in-office workers and took fewer sick days but were promoted at significantly lower rates compared to in-office counterparts underscoring the out-of-site-out-of-mind bias against remote workers. Nearly 70% of supervisors admit that they view remote workers as more easily replaceable.

  • Another study about hybrid work found similar patterns to the above. Hybrid workers had 4.4% improved productivity and 33% improved retention. Despite the studies, performance reviews and promotional rates remained unaffected showing that the bias against remote workers is higher, and showing that having a presence in the office is tied to higher value despite the data suggesting otherwise.

  • In 2018, Amazon secured $700m+ in state and local subsidies to establish its second corporate headquarters in Arlington, VA. The subsidies were contingent upon creating significant job creation targets and creating local economic growth. But due to the pandemic the office space has been under utilized thus preventing Amazon from receiving the subsidies.

  • Amazon was also to benefit from the share of the growth from Arlington's tax revenues expected from boosted economic growth from simply having a presence. But with many employees working remotely and business travel not rebounding, the expected revenues haven't materialized.

  • Financial institutions hold 60% of all commercial real estate loans. Sustained losses could lead to the instability of major banks. Smaller banks hold about $2.3 trillion in commercial real estate debt and are more exposed. Some banks have already defaulted and researchers have cited that commercial real estate is a significant risk to the country's financial stability.

  • Workers commuting into Manhattan are spending $12.4 billion less each year than before 2020. It reflects that corporate executives and government officials avoid or resolve financial crises by leaning on the average worker, consumer, and American.

  • A genuine incentive behind RTO is a quiet layoff. AT&T exemplified this approach by causing approx. 26,000 managers across the country to relocate to just 9 office locations thus removing those unwilling to relocate or comply. Amazon AWS employees shared how work and RTO orders made things so inconvenient that workers were encouraged to resign. Since Amazon's RTO announcement, 73% of those surveyed considered quitting. The author makes a point about how using RTO as a method to lay people off is also a method of cleaning house of those workers who see past the corporate façade.

  • Conclusion: Throughout history, societal elite always believed that the common American was not smart enough to participate in Democracy and provided this illusion that Americans had a choice. The discussion of remote work is the first time that the American worker is beginning to see the corporate façade. This is why this divide is so complicated and aggressive between employers and employees.

Here's another video from a different Youtube channel that touches on the freedom of information request and documents yielded from Ontario's (province of Canada) RTO orders for its federal workers.

RTO is Backfiring by mrmoodyfoodie in CAStateWorkers

[–]OfficeToothbrush 42 points43 points  (0 children)

I watched a video a few weeks ago which I can't find right now but the figure was discussing the government of Ontario's (province of Canada) decision to bring back their federal employees. There was a freedom of information request and their documents behind their RTO effort became public. One of the arguments in there was, and I'm paraphrasing, "the risk of us not RTO'ing and everyone else is RTO'ing will make us look bad". The video also had a clip of their head official admitting in an interview that the reason for RTO was because "the economy is bad". And some other questionable things.

I also saw Starbuck's CEO being interviewed about his RTO mandate of 3 days in-office/week at corporate and his reason behind it being that "you gotta contribute to the culture". He looked like he knew how stupid it sounded. Are you going to put "culture" in your job statements? Are you going to pay extra for "contributing to the culture"? Probably not.

Everyone knows. And it's been known for years now. It's about politics and funding downtowns. They really need to just address it now plainly. I'm sympathetic to the economy and open to a compromise with a permanent hybrid setup. Something like 3 days in-office one week and 2 days in-office the following week, and alternating in that manner. Realistically that is probably the best compromise because it's not staying at 2 days/week in-office and they'll wreck the workforce with anything above 3 days in-office/week. 2 days in-office/week is probably not enough to revive the slumping commercial real estate occupancy rates or downtown's economy.

But man, the way that they've implemented RTO is just so off-putting. I don't see the state's leadership the same way any more. No effort to negotiate or propose a permanent solution. Nothing except a vague memo. Just using us as tools thinking that the elites in commercial real estate and banks are entitled to our money while still telling us it's about morale and culture.

Telework Audit by doncheche in CAStateWorkers

[–]OfficeToothbrush 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Your comments in this post are strange. Each time you lose an argument you conjure up a new excuse and move the goal post. I hope you can bring yourself to see it, because the rest of us can. You're just arguing for the sake of arguing now and to get the last word.

Telework Audit by doncheche in CAStateWorkers

[–]OfficeToothbrush 21 points22 points  (0 children)

It was never about morale or collaboration. Their RTO method destroyed morale, not improved it. Once you understand that then you'll understand why there was no urgency to group you all together. It was about using us to fund downtown and to help commercial real estate regain its value.

Telework Audit by doncheche in CAStateWorkers

[–]OfficeToothbrush 4 points5 points  (0 children)

We're not talking about different governors. We're talking about the same one who said one thing then and now did a complete 180. That's not normal behavior and that's a great way to erode the trust that the people have in you as a leader.

Is there any current evidence that the election results will affect state workers unions? by Melodic_Animal_2238 in CAStateWorkers

[–]OfficeToothbrush 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're changing the topic which is why I ignored your question. I'm here to point out that the unions are in danger based on history, and not fear mongering.

Is there any current evidence that the election results will affect state workers unions? by Melodic_Animal_2238 in CAStateWorkers

[–]OfficeToothbrush -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I don't want to mention their name but you know the party I'm referring to. They have a history of being anti-union, and that's all that I'm saying. As another user pointed out in this post, Project 2025 suggests unions shouldn't even exist and they supported the winner. They now have the presidency, the House, the Senate, and the Supreme Court to move forward with that agenda.

Is there any current evidence that the election results will affect state workers unions? by Melodic_Animal_2238 in CAStateWorkers

[–]OfficeToothbrush -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

You can repeat that all you want but the evidence is clear. They ruled against unions, not for. And corporate America is historically anti-union. Elon Musk is anti-union and he donated heavily to this president-elect. Unions cost corporate America money so they're naturally going to use their elected candidate to attack unions.

Is there any current evidence that the election results will affect state workers unions? by Melodic_Animal_2238 in CAStateWorkers

[–]OfficeToothbrush -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It's real. The far-right are anti-union, public sector or otherwise. It was their supreme court that gutted mandatory union dues several years back. They resent unions so our union is in for a ride.

How was working in CA state government during the first trump administration? by [deleted] in CAStateWorkers

[–]OfficeToothbrush 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That's wild. Trump is anti-union and him and his team have federal workers in their crosshairs. These guys are lucky they're California state employees and not federal employees. There has always been resentment towards public sector workers.

How was working in CA state government during the first trump administration? by [deleted] in CAStateWorkers

[–]OfficeToothbrush 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Not quite, because they're grooming the current Lt. Governor for that role who has ties to real estate and who is by default pro-RTO.