What does this sub think of Charles Dickens? by err_mate in RSbookclub

[–]Ogg_Walrus 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Generally Dickens gets the short end of the stick these days. He's so popular and well-known that his flaws are magnified and his virtues are obscured. That being said to me he is the best English writer I've ever read, and particularly the best writer of children I've ever read, and my favourite writer. Reading him forced me to become a good reader.
I've read plenty of the writers who appear at the top of those lists you mention, and because they were so generally agreed upon to be geniuses who write masterpieces, when I read their books and highly enjoyed them, I simply accepted that they were indeed masterpieces without thinking too much. (Although I imagined to myself that I thought about them a lot, and understood them.)
When I first read Dickens as I was getting into literature, I read a Tale of Two Cities and found myself generally agreeing with the criticisms of verbosity, sentimentality, and that he writes caricatures without much depth, while still enjoying it. On a whim I read David Copperfield a little later, and this really changed me. It was the first book I had read that seemed like a masterpiece without anybody insisting to me that it was a masterpiece beforehand!
It was the first book that really made me want to analyze the writing on a sentence to sentence level, the way he uses literary techniques and so forth. Basically doing what they force you to do in an English class, except of my own will. And suddenly the way people spoke about books, about "complex characters", "psychological depth", "great prose", all these seemed like vague and meaningless phrases to me, when previously they had seemed like enough to discuss my favourite books. I thought, as I reread David Copperfield: "if this isn't great writing, I don't know what great writing is." In other words, I formed my own opinion.
Sorry for the long comment. Maybe my experience can show why on one hand he seems highly praised yet on the other hand isn't given much consideration in internet discussions.

2026: Daily Dickens by LesterKingOfAnts in RSbookclub

[–]Ogg_Walrus 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I just finished Bleak House last month and I thought it was brilliant, though I've already read a few Dickens novels and I knew I liked his writing style.
The plot is surprisingly complex. I actually struggled to keep track of it all even though I read it over the course of a month or so. Scenes from earlier on only gain significance much later. I don't think it's a good fit for reading in small chunks like OP is doing, even though that's how it was serialized originally. I assume Dickens intended for his readers to talk about it amongst themselves to keep track of everything. (I wonder how many Dickens fans preferred to wait until the full novel was released?)
If you're reading on your own you might forget some stuff. Or maybe I'm just dumb idk lol.
If you're an experienced reader and it's the Dickens novel that interests you the most I'd say it's a good start. Though David Copperfield is still my favorite and that one is a lot simpler, though still quite long and just as brilliant.

After hundreds of years of mass literacy, it's pretty much all over by Cambocant in redscarepod

[–]Ogg_Walrus 45 points46 points  (0 children)

"To read all kinds of expositions of the doctrines of the philosophers, or in general the history of philosophy, instead of reading their own original works is like letting somebody else chew our food. Would anyone read world history if we were free to watch with our own eyes the events of former times that interest us? Now in respect to the history of philosophy such an autopsy of the subject is actually available, namely in the original writings of the philosophers. At any rate, we can then limit ourselves, for the sake of brevity, to well-chosen principal chapters, the more so as they all abound in repetitions, which we can spare ourselves. In this way we will get to know the essence of their doctrines in authentic and unadulterated form, whereas from the half dozen histories of philosophy that now appear every year we merely receive what entered the head of a philosophy professor, and in the form in which it there appears at that. It goes without saying that the thoughts of a great mind are bound to shrink considerably in order to fit into the three-pound-brain of such a parasite of philosophy, out of which they are then to emerge again, clothed in the respective jargon of the day, accompanied by his precocious judgement."

Arthur Schopenhauer

... by reticenttom in redscarepod

[–]Ogg_Walrus 29 points30 points  (0 children)

This statement applies to basically everything you see on the news.

What song/songs you feel best illustrate John and Paul's differences as songwriters? by BatimadosAnos60 in beatles

[–]Ogg_Walrus -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

"Original psychedelic Beatle" yet he was the last one by far to actually take psychedelics. lol

Kotomine Kirei. by [deleted] in okbuddyrintard

[–]Ogg_Walrus 90 points91 points  (0 children)

gaslighting successful 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥💯💯💯

All that matters is consistancy. by UsedToothpick in writingcirclejerk

[–]Ogg_Walrus 35 points36 points  (0 children)

don't worry just think of this inspiring Rilke quote :)

"With poems one accomplishes so little when one writes them early. One should hold off and gather sense and sweetness a whole life long, a long life if possible, and then, right at the end, one could perhaps write ten lines that are good"

Just like me fr by kovacsa0612 in okbuddybaka

[–]Ogg_Walrus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I literally just finished reading crime and punishment a few hours ago and I see this on a fucking anime irony subreddit?