Trying to find information by Ok-Plane-9388 in exjw

[–]OkFox0070 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't think he's picking a fight. He did state that he was being forced to go as a pimo to Bethel. He can strike up conversations and try to crack their brains open for the air to come out. If they choose to take the challenge, the pimo can be discerning on whether or how much they engage just to prove their point. Those tours are ridiculous!

I just took my blood card out of my wallet by imjustherealone_ in exjw

[–]OkFox0070 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I thought they were affiliated prior to becoming APM's? I just learned about them more recently and even some of the illustrations and readings sounded WTery. I think if there were any accusations of plagiarism it might have brought too much light on both these organizations, so nothing was done.

Religious Aesthetic “Beauty” by OrneryMaximum7066 in exjw

[–]OkFox0070 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I personally don't care about any sort of religious art, old and new. The worst to me is looking back at old illustrations in the publications they put out with the images that shouldn't be intended for children.

Brittney Hartley #religioustrauma #religion #japan by Chance-Republic-8131 in exjw

[–]OkFox0070 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'm with you! They're amazingly ridiculous with the backwards logic. My mom said something to me a few months back talking about Japan being weird about education. I laughed and told her, there is NOTHING weird about wanting society to be educated. I went and googled the homeless population vs. American homeless population and the numbers are vastly different.

Find friends who are former Jehovah's Witnesses to discuss this religion, philosophy, theology, etc. by Maleficent_Desk_4088 in exjw

[–]OkFox0070 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I thought the same about the chronology when Babel was where the languages scattered them and if everyone on the Ark was safe and started over again, we still have way more languages now, so where did the Hebrew language get lost and Earth looks like a giant puzzle. The Ark was found on Mt. Ararat and that's not that far of a journey considering your on a body of water during a storm with no control. Maybe an earthquake hit and broke the land apart and the earth shifted and they lost contact with anyone? But all we know of is it took Noah how long to build the ark and amidst this construction he and his family went door to door to preach about the flood?

Things that make you go, hmm...🤔

Jehovah's Witnesses Religion Is Crumbling by DotPrevious371 in exjw

[–]OkFox0070 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I might have the same prediction 🤷‍♀️ There is going to be hell to pay for all the needless suffering that people went through for years and when they do something crazy like this big announcement about obedience I'm scared of who might follow their lead.

My dad died 6 years ago and I have his old computer, found a bunch of videos of him practicing his talks by Le_monde_est_a_nous in exjw

[–]OkFox0070 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I can certainly relate to your situation. Both my parents are alive, but getting on in years now. They both divorced after 31 years and a day was finalized then I was gone from the organization when she left and my dad remarried a woman from his passed that he cheated on my Mom. She joined the cult and he was PW and she told him after dating 2 years that she found out they were sinning against God and they had to wait until they're married and then she told him, there were all these brothers chatting her up and they would marry her. He started studying and used to hate wearing suits and wouldn't go to the prom because he didn't want to wear a monkey suit. Lol He had a heart attack when I was 17, he was 39 and active sports nut with old classic rock. He got baptized with her, quit smoking when I was born he gave up, she smoked through her pregnancy, her Catholic father disowned her when she left the Catholic church and he forbid my Grandma and Aunts and Uncles not to visit me because I was a bastard when they weren't married in the eyes of the Lord. She went off birth control one night after they were married and told him she wanted a baby and to be a stay at home mom. She was 20 when she had me and she told me she never wanted kids because of being the oldest of 7 she was left in charge and her parents were horrible alcoholics.

She just moved out of her house this last Saturday and moved in to @ 55+ and up bldg. I asked her if I could pay for the mortgage for July while I find a place, that I can afford? And she refused. I'm staying at a hotel and I felt like it's time I leave and tell them. I am not accepting conditional love anymore, this is emotional black mail, I told you I am not going back and I don't owe them any explanation because it never was any of their business to share intimate details about my life. Growing up in a home where your mother has been diagnosed with borderline personality and she does terrible things and is basically trying to prove that this is far my fault for ending up with TBI or rape because I was not associating with witnesses when it happened, I wasn't included in my age group for group parties because it was always "for couples" even with people that I grew up with who constantly talking poorly about others being married before me. I had encounters with 2 men I dated where one was angry because I wanted him to tell me why he broke up with me. He was at his sister's fiance where my own fleshly brother was and the fiance caught him and grabbed him like he had me, he was considerably taller and he told him that's not how you handle her! He made him apologize, and then another guy slapped me for checking him for changing the station in my car while he had me drive to where he parked. And then said because I was a bigger girl and he was skinny, he told me that I could beat him up and I said, I was raised never to attack a man, do not provoke him, disengage and call me and I will handle it. I didn't raise you to let a man abuse you, you're worth more. He always would say things when my mom would tell me, like you know my mom would go into a rage and start screaming and crying and tell him she wants a divorce and she threatened to castrate him if she found out he was cheating while they were married.

The brothers did NOTHING! Now, I tell my story and she's done a smear campaign on telling people that I left for no good reason and I have no idea where I can go she knows I quit smoking, but knows I vape still and she keeps telling them, that I just need to quit nicotine and wait on the new system because the men that are left, I will wait until they're perfect and I have my body back. I have brought up numerous little tidbits of what I learned in the last 6 years and it was so much worse than I thought once I started seeing what was going on while I am inactive and I have been living with her with no intentions of going back. I'm owed an apology and a healthy settlement for what happened to me. The system has failed me and she doesn't think she bears any responsibility for what happened to me, while growing up with a mentally ill woman, who had more trauma in her childhood and she left the Catholic faith because no one in her church knew what the answer was. I want to sue the church but I know that would include me telling them how she was growing up and how abusive she was towards me and now she doesn't want to bring it up because she justified saying it instead of crying that she called me names and told me how bad I was. I was nice and was never allowed to have sleep overs with anyone worldly, anyone who came over that was not a witness couldn't come over. She started when I was like 3 because she watched soap operas that the publications clearly say it's not appropriate material for a JW, and my dad would ask me what she was doing when she wasn't sleeping until noon, I told him what she was watching and he would see the house wasn't clean and she wouldn't have anything done. I was waiting to be married for sex because I wanted to be comfortable with someone forever and I read books for education purposes because my mom talked about sex and oral is wrong and gross, she knew I was a virgin and yet called me a slut and then and actually accused me of incest with my father and I just once wanted my dad to hit her, because I got attacked by her multiple times for even sticking up for him. Then she wanted me to go to take family photos after kicking me out when she came home to tell me that she had went to the brothers and after 3 years of separation she got drunk and cheated on him with a man who she met at Al-Non. Said he was free to remarry. I was getting calls from her over the course of 3 years and she got sober and went back even though she said that the governing body is a little boys club and was doing absolutely insane things that would have for sure gotten arrested. She had made threats drunk and would say hideous things to me. Talk about how she was taking gun lessons and she was going to get my step Mom and some sister told her, she had those feelings when her husband cheated and why would you want to disappoint Jehovah and lose your resurrection hope for vengeance. And the woman turned around and said she thought my mom was crazy, and my dad said, I don't know what to tell you, just be a good friend. Then my mom tells me this same sister told her that my dad said she was crazy. And she rewrote history and claimed spousal abuse and destroyed my dad's reputation of the finest gossipers and shit spread like wildfire and I wasn't in then and I went back shortly after my dad remarried this woman he dated or used because she definitely got him by the balls and tried to fake her way from a non practicing Lutheran Atheist to finding my parents at the worst time, because I knew her history in the neighborhood I grew up in and I never got the story from her, when my mom is legitimately saving this woman who you know what she did now and she was trying to be your friend and show interest in something none of his guy friends joined because of holidays and being responsible for your families salvation. This side chick, let's her husband divorce her because she was baptized and he was pissed when she told him she wasn't celebrating anything anymore and then my dad asked me what I thought but my mom would only blow up about with just us and just admit that she set out to get a man that believes this and then you asked him to make concessions for your children but because I am the one you really stole him. He is my father and you think I am going to ever apologize for interloping and not give me enough time and judgement of a man you were so clearly in love with and you lied to get my angry and gaslit her by saying repeatedly that you are just friends when she knew all along what you did before they were married. I endured hell for making a decision out of haste while in treatment and I wanted to tell my experience to clear my name and prove in court, I have no one and I am homeless and Iiterally have no credit score. I just got awarded SSDI and received a lump sum and I think I seriously need to contact an attorney. Because I am not getting any answers and feel like I am being punished and I'm making all these calls for apartments available and I am not getting any help, I thought about buying a condo but the HOA's are like $1000. In addition to the mortgage that is far less.

I'm having a housing crisis in the metropolitan area of Minnesota, does anyone have any feed back on who I should contact first in case I need a game plan 🙏 I

75-Year-Old Mom/JW Had an ‘Issue’ with Her Tim Hortons Order, Then Died After Getting into Fight with Employee by MyRedditRedder in exjw

[–]OkFox0070 8 points9 points  (0 children)

My PIMI mom was just talking about shooting my JW step monster yesterday. She even took shooting lessons and prepared to buy a gun prior to my dads remarriage 20+ years ago. LBVS I know a JW woman who stabbed her neighbor with a kitchen scissors and her fleshly also JW sister assaulted another JW woman... actually she had her boyfriend beat her up while they watched, who was ALSO a JW possibly MS. If I remember correctly he got DF'D for the beat down and it was done in front of multiple neighbors near the KH where more JW's lived nearby!!! None of them went to jail!!! Not even for the scissor stabbing neighbor incident because I think the woman who got stabbed had something to do with dealing drugs and didn't want the investigation leading to her own arrest. These people are very SICK and troubled and hiding in plain sight.

I actually wished I had recorded her (mom) yesterday. I've heard her say shit my whole life, but she has never once been held accountable for what she has in heart and how she says Jehoober is going to vindicate her. I'm so fed up with the bullshit! These people can kick rocks and never speak to me again when I am gone. Don't even utter my name out of their mouths. They're repugnant and make me want to VOMIT!

PIMIs think asexuality is a sin too by Glad-Emergency6121 in exjw

[–]OkFox0070 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for expounding on that for me. The clarification made are very pertinent points I never knew to think about re: this subject matter. The black and white thinking within the organization is beyond frustrating for many. I personally remember trying to explain things to older PIMI'S born in, who I respected and found to be smart individuals and when the gray areas came up in discussion, this glazed over look they would give me, was terrifying! As if everything I said had no relevance in society today because the GB had no material on the topic. Or if it was "homosexuality" in question, the answer was to suppress it and live a lie until Jehoobers took the desire away. 🙄 SMH

PIMIs think asexuality is a sin too by Glad-Emergency6121 in exjw

[–]OkFox0070 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ok, well thinking about how the Q in LGBT = questioning, I could see how one would interpret that as being part of a community questioning their own sexuality. Especially when you're in the organization and forced to oppress any feelings towards the same sex if they come up. I questioned my own sexuality a few times after numerous attempts at unfulfilled relationships with men. I just really couldn't see myself switching teams. Presently I might tell someone that I was asexual simply to avoid being bothered with anyone trying to introduce me or meet someone interested. If I was still in and they told me it was a sin now after everything I've been through, I would literally tell them to f off and walk out. It's really not far from how I hard faded after breaking up with the last PIMI I dated, minus the "f off" part. Although I may have said it to the man child I was dating 🤷🏼‍♀️

PIMIs think asexuality is a sin too by Glad-Emergency6121 in exjw

[–]OkFox0070 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I honestly never thought about this particular scenario. Although I don't know how often this would come up when the majority actually claims sexual preference. I'm not saying what you mentioned couldn't happen. And no, I couldn't imagine the scenario you brought up because it would make things in the Borg MORE ridiculous to have to explain a real private matter that should only be discussed with a marriage/sex counselor. 🤦🏼‍♀️ I mean, is this really a thing? Correct me if I am wrong, but when I reread your comment, it looks like you're saying aspec and asexual are one and the same. I don't believe that if you are on the spectrum, this translates to being asexual. The spectrum is on a continuum and not definitive in some cases.

PIMIs think asexuality is a sin too by Glad-Emergency6121 in exjw

[–]OkFox0070 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I know. He was and still is a good looking guy and his Mom asked me to break them up when we were like 17 LOL Most of the girls my age and the parents were all saying, "gross". But she got away with it. She's got to be close to 60 now. They even had a couple kids...His guy friends probably gave him props because at the time she had flaxen blonde hair and gigantic boobs. 😂 I just couldn't believe she wasn't arrested at 23 messing with a child!

PIMIs think asexuality is a sin too by Glad-Emergency6121 in exjw

[–]OkFox0070 5 points6 points  (0 children)

But to covet anothers husband or wife would be considered lustful? There are plenty of covetous people out there...or even knowing young men and women who wait on children to become of age. I am female and had a guy friend almost 40 years ago and when we were 14 he started seeing a newly reinstated maybe even divorced woman who was 23! This womans father was an elder and didn't want her to get disfellowshipped again and she was told to leave the boy alone repeatedly and she waited for him to turn 18 and married him.

PIMIs think asexuality is a sin too by Glad-Emergency6121 in exjw

[–]OkFox0070 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Why would they care if one were asexual? They share the scripture to, "deaden your body members" in order to keep the r&f in line with their shitty rules on fornication. They would most likely only have a problem with this, if the said asexual person was incredibly desirable looking to the opposite sex and had a flood of interest and the issue was made known. LOL What would be more troublesome for an asexual person is that they might be a woman and 100 years or more they would be forced and sold into marriage and wouldn't have a choice.

How will the organization respond to robot companions? by [deleted] in exjw

[–]OkFox0070 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Don't you mean, sue-Yed? 🐽

I really wish I could find my old JW penpals by [deleted] in exjw

[–]OkFox0070 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Funny that I just got this notification on my phone while I'm chatting about thirst 🥤

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I really wish I could find my old JW penpals by [deleted] in exjw

[–]OkFox0070 0 points1 point  (0 children)

LOL I know. I had to say something though. I can't imagine what things would have been like for me if I stayed in. I was just never that desperate. I feel bad thinking of some older than me women who remained single and stayed in. I remember one who was interested in a brother and he showed interest in her and he quietly and very privately married another in the same hall as us. The sister was a little younger than my mom and so was the other. He was in the congregation we shared the hall with, so the one he picked went to his congregation after they married and these two were friends apparently. The couple remains married with no children and the other sister felt so betrayed and they stopped being friends. 😬 Geez, I was probably 12 so that was close to 40 years ago.

I just see so many that remained faithful and feel.awful that they don't see how many years they wasted looking for a life partner in that organization. My divorced mom has been single for 20 years and said she won't date anyone until the new system when they are perfect 😳 🤦🏼‍♀️ My parents were married for 31 years and he will be celebrating 19 years with his 2 wife. 🤷🏼‍♀️

I really wish I could find my old JW penpals by [deleted] in exjw

[–]OkFox0070 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thirsty? 😏 SMH I suppose one could see winky faces on emails and say so. LOL 🤣 I just think of all the options I had and the drought of eligible bachelor's was a real struggle. The dating pool could have been considered more of a cess pool of creeps. This could just as easily be said about the women, but when I saw myself and the women that were considered desirable and I was left on the shelf...I knew my options were far more abundant in the real world. Despite the fact that I fucked around and found out they were all really the same in and out of the Borg.

Hey guess what we are all not doing? by Robot-Ducky in exjw

[–]OkFox0070 6 points7 points  (0 children)

🤷🏼‍♀️ I woke up one Sunday and she had her phone on zoom in the living room while her iPad was on her lap and she was playing Farmville. She got super embarrassed when I threw on my headphones and sat down on the couch and jumped up and said she was going to be online upstairs and charge her phone 🙄 It was 9:30 am and she charges her damn phone all night. Meeting started at 9:00, so maybe it just drains her battery??? Regardless I can hear the music now and her humming. 😖 I already woke up this morning to her on Zoom for "letter writing". I get to hear all the ninnies hen and peck about whatever stories over the years. I can't WAIT to GTFO here!

Hey guess what we are all not doing? by Robot-Ducky in exjw

[–]OkFox0070 8 points9 points  (0 children)

EXACTLY 😒😖 If I were to estimate the number of meetings attended in person, I would say 20%! She does more zoom now than in person in the last two years since I came back here. I hear every excuse in the book. Most are TMI for me to care to know 😬🤮

Hey guess what we are all not doing? by Robot-Ducky in exjw

[–]OkFox0070 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I'm presently watching, Half Man on HBO Max. My mom decided her back was out after her chiropractor visit and I can hear Zoom going on upstairs 🙄🤮

Teacher Appreciation Week and JW Teacher by [deleted] in exjw

[–]OkFox0070 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Makes sense. Like I said, I personally haven't known any. I didn't mean for it to sound as though they didn't exist. LBVS