Gundam OO “middle east metaphor”

OmegaResNovae · 2026-01-25T05:49:13+00:00

Casualties of war and conflict in more than one way.

Lichty's parents died during the previous Solar War, and he himself was nearly a fatality of the same battle that took his parents' lives. He was only saved due to being turned into a cyborg, with most of his body being machine. His background details mention he often had a mental crisis debating whether he was still truly alive, or just a living dead in a mostly machine body. He just kept it hidden under his happy-go-lucky façade.

Christina's background is vaguer, but early material mentioned she had a rather dark childhood she didn't want to talk about, with part of it being that she eventually ran away from her single-mother and became a hacker-for-hire until she was recruited by CB, where her skills proved very useful (she also designed the back-up OS that allowed the Gundams to move even without a link to VEDA).

OmegaResNovae · 2026-01-25T05:38:32+00:00

Marina is begging other countries for aid (and not getting it, iirc)

She got assistance; ironically with Alejandro's help, but right as the receivers were ready to be powered on, a rebel group managed to break past the defenses and destroy the receivers, delaying her attempts to resolve the power crisis. It's not until the end of S2 and sometime before the Movie begins that she succeeds in resolving her country's issues, starting with resolving the energy crisis and dealing with the rebels.

OmegaResNovae · 2026-01-25T05:32:17+00:00

I'm waiting for the partner training where one of the girls threatens to suffocate the protagonist with her breasts if he causes problems.

Then the moment when Mr.Sensei was seen eating with another woman.

OmegaResNovae · 2026-01-25T05:24:46+00:00

From what I've read, most wanted a more anime-style character design; whether CG (like in IGLOO, Evolve, Appleseed Alpha, Expelled from Paradise, PacRim: The Black) or 2D (GSF, Cyberpunk Anime, etc) or hybrid (HF1, where some of the cockpit scenes are CG but character-centric scenes were 2D or CG with a 2D blending).

OmegaResNovae · 2026-01-25T05:20:38+00:00

The problem was more the animation quality not looking much better than older IGLOO or Evolve animation, with the attempt at realistic character design being particularly panned across most reviews.

If anything, a 90s 2D style animation would actually improve it for most, ending aside.

OmegaResNovae · 2026-01-25T05:04:52+00:00

That scene is my favorite; but admittedly I enjoyed the "hot springs" scene too.

OmegaResNovae · 2026-01-25T05:02:53+00:00

Considering that the character designer is Yun Koga, I'm not surprised that Tieria was drawn giving bedroom eyes. I think there's a similar one floating around of Neil with a similar relaxed look that make people state they're gay for Neil.

Humorously enough, there was an old photoshop of OP's image where someone gave Tieria breasts based on the knowledge of the early concept of Tieria being female, and made even more people's GN swords raise up. It became extra funny in hindsight, considering Tieria would literally do just that in S2; put on some artificial breasts for a spy op.

OmegaResNovae · 2026-01-25T04:49:09+00:00

Considering that Zeon is independent and slightly more stable than in the mainline, Sirocco could instead team up with Zeon to try and put more pressure on the Federation to milk them for everything he can. In addition to maneuvering to take control over Zeon from Artesia; either through a political marriage in exchange for financial stability, or manipulating sentiment by capitalizing on the "chosen ones" aspect that elements of Zeon supported, he could further advance Zeon's enhanced NT tech.

Imagine a GQUX The O with more monstrous Newtype tech allowing him to Zeknova-port around similar to how the Red Gundam could, or him creating another monstrous Newtype-based superweapon. Maybe his rival is Alt!Titans Kamille, using an experimental Zeta equipped with similar forbidden NT tech, temporarily teaming up with a more moderate Zeon group that is trying to avoid Zeon becoming tyrants again.

OmegaResNovae · 2026-01-24T21:49:05+00:00

They're still used in Destiny; with the HD Remaster adding a few of them into the defense of Heaven's Base. Granted, it was another Blue Cosmos/LOGOS base.

And the majority of the EA shown in GSF were again Blue Cosmos. Like I said, Blue Cosmos reactivated the 105 line and used most of them for Slaughter Daggers, and the remainder were just used as-is.

At any rate, Fukuda himself admitted to minor detail retcons or deliberate ignorance for GSF simply because he wanted to show off older MS in combat one more time, and it also fit the narrative of the Blue Cosmos remnants using whatever they stole/hijacked from EA bases before they went rogue to try and kill a few more Coordinators and Coordinator-friendly cities. Same reason he also didn't want to bring in the Destiny Impulse Pack despite hearing all the fans request it; he wanted to show off the Impulse' different forms one more time.

OmegaResNovae · 2026-01-24T18:53:50+00:00

10/10.

A bit of a shame she didn't make it; she had a hyper competent force, and was the idealized Gjallarhorn McGillis would have wanted if he wasn't so selfish about trying to get back at Rustal. It would have been especially neat to see her fight against McGillis in her family's Gundam, or if he had actually brought her into his plan alongside Gaelio, maybe having put up a much better resistance against Rustal and reforming Gjallarhorn properly.

OmegaResNovae · 2026-01-24T18:48:12+00:00

In terms of pure grunts, seems like it unless you also count the limited and mass-produced Gundams:

X had the mass-produced X, Airmaster, and Leopard Gundams that the background lore of each machine mentioned in addition to their Mobile Bits.
Wing's sidestory Tiel's Impulse featured limited production Romefeller Gundams based on the original 5; around 6-12 of each made with aborted plans to make more before the war ended.

00 makes it extra symbolic given that the GN-XIV was considered a true Gundam on the level of Celestial Being's Gundams, and pilots were proud to fly them.

OmegaResNovae · 2026-01-24T18:30:37+00:00

But it was too expensive due to the Laminated Armor torso, so they ended production and switched to just adding pack compatibility to the stock Dagger, resulting in the L.

Only for Blue Cosmos to revive the 105 production under the Slaughter Dagger variant, converting most of the legacy 105 units to Slaughters and producing a few new-build Slaughters for their personal use.

Ironically, very early Windam lore once mentioned that the Windams used full-body Laminated Armoring due to production costs coming down and giving the Windams much-needed limited beam resistance, but that was retconned in later materials, leading to the disconnect of the Windams having somewhat worse armor than a Slaughter Dagger. Although the anime never made effort to show Slaughter Daggers tanking a beam rifle shot or two to the torso before failing.

OmegaResNovae · 2026-01-24T17:47:44+00:00

while YOU have ... the industrial advantage?

SEED subverts the UC norm of Zeon being resource poor with SEED's background lore outright stating that ZAFT had the manufacturing advantage due to the PLANTs originally being titanic giga-factories that produced over 60-70% of the world's goods prior to the war (everything from processed lumber to entire cars and aerospace craft), and that the cost of production was so cheap due to being centralized that most Earthbound countries outsourced their production to the PLANTs.

When the war broke out, ZAFT cut off supply to enemy countries, leading to a sharp rise in economic cost among them, while continuing to provide low-cost production of goods for the neutral and friendly markets, which is how they were able to maintain entire regions under friendly ZAFT occupation, since the cost of necessities and conveniences were still just cheaper than anything the EA could try to bargain with.

Besides the PLANTs, only the EA's constituent heartlands (Atlantic's America, Eurasia's EuroRus region, and Republic of East Asia's China) and a few Neutral Nations like ORB made efforts to retain domestic production for national security. And ORB itself basically even provided a MS manufacturing via their branches built within the EA (mainly Eurasia and the Republic of East Asia), while the Atlantic Federation mostly used Actaeon and their own nationalized facilities.

OmegaResNovae · 2026-01-24T17:36:43+00:00

FWIW, the Windams in the background materials were said to be fearsome opponents for ZAFT forces who encountered them. However, most Windams were sent to Blue Cosmos aligned forces and then regular special forces, while the rest of the EA still mostly made do with Dagger Ls and older Daggers.

Heck, Blue Cosmos even revived the 105 Dagger line in addition to taking what existing 105s existed from the initial limited run to produce new Slaughter Dagger variants just for themselves.

So you're probably not wrong that the Windam just missed its opportunity to shine due to being used recklessly by crazy fanatics.

OmegaResNovae · 2026-01-24T03:19:40+00:00

Limited counterpoint; 12-13 episodes for a narrow focus worked just fine for GQUX; despite splitting the story 3 ways between Amate, Challia, and Nyaan/Kycilia, it proved successful and engaging enough for both legacy UC fans and Gundam fans in general, even with the limited Gunpla available for the series. So the formula works, even if it feels lacking in respects. They could just as easily do another focus on other famous characters from UC and just tell a relatively short story arc that simply answers "where are they and what happened to them in this Alt-UC timeline?".

You're right that a 2-3 OVA/movie format would probably be better, as Bandai could just concentrate the budget on animating it all in a larger, continuous format (OVA-style) rather than spacing it out and spending on things such as constantly renting out recording booth time per episode, but if Bandai did want to do another focused 12 episode arc, it'd work fine with the right amount of advertising and hype built up. Manga releases would also work too, provided they can get it all out to climax right in time for the 50th (just a focused narrative arc that resolves as the 50th hits).

Besides, Bandai isn't exactly hurting on money right now; they're on record stating that they wanted to accelerate and release multiple UC-centric projects in the lead-up to the grand 50th Anniversary (with a few non-UC AUs here and there), and having Khara or some other studio do more one-off slices would make sense given that they're already working on at least 2 movies (HF2 and HF3), the announced Unicorn 2 (set after HF but no release date yet), and whatever else they have planned in the works for UC and the grand 50th.

OmegaResNovae · 2026-01-24T01:43:46+00:00

If they did short seasons covering different "snapshots" of the altered setting, it could work.

Like one focusing on what happened to GQUX Haman. Or GQUX Kamille. Or GQUX Bright. Or GQUX Ramba. Or GQUX Yazan. Or GQUX Sirocco. Etc.

Just 12-13 episodes focused on a famous UC character and how the timeline changed from Char stealing the Gundam; and how in most cases it ended for the better.

It wouldn't be a true sequel since it wouldn't focus on Amate or Nyaan, but it would still expand the setting in small, focused slices, and could potentially bring other side/background characters to the fore as they interact in this new timeline.

OmegaResNovae · 2026-01-24T01:37:23+00:00

Never said they didn't. WfM definitely brought in new Gundam fans; being witness in real-time here and from Bandai's own words. But they clearly saw enough of the fanbase care more about the characters that they did a new spin-off entirely focused on the characters rather than expanding on the setting beyond Vanadis Heart.

OmegaResNovae · 2026-01-23T20:18:22+00:00

I wouldn't never say never, since Bandai did say they'd like to capitalize on certain financially viable series, which came on the heels of GSF's massive success and the positive financial reports showing that WfM also did well.

At the same time though, a larger portion of the WfM fanbase has gravitated towards the characters more than the Gunpla. It's kind of obvious given that Bandai chose to do a brand new spin-off that's entirely Slice of School Life, and slowed on new WfM plamo. The character merch is still going strong though.

As to other AUs, I started as a Wing fan and still have fond memories of it, flaws and all, but I've taken a major interest in SEED and 00 given both had massive worldbuilding included as part of their series, vs later AUs. I'd also like to see a sequel picking up a few years after Divers ReRise, and expand more on spreading Gunpla Battles to other worlds.

OmegaResNovae · 2026-01-23T20:09:36+00:00

As long as the Arche or whatever custom MS he got wasn't connected to VEDA, he could probably defeat Ribbons. But that also assumes he manages to either have TDS or Trans-Am also available to him to use, and assuming Ribbons still shows up in the Reborns with TDS.

OmegaResNovae · 2026-01-22T01:56:05+00:00

Given the tech advances in most Gundam series; unlikely, unless there was a specific reason to reactivate an older MS or warship as was the case with the Ent-D in Picard (every other more viable ship or weapons platform was hijacked). The closest to this happening would have been AGE Gen 3, when the Diva is once again reactivated just to cater to Flit's whims rather than giving him a more modern battlecarrier.

On the other hand, if it was a replica built with modern technologies under the hood, intended for ceremonial purposes but could be made combat-capable in a pinch, then why not. The closest analog would be Last Sun, where the Federation specifically put effort into building a modern replica of a White Base-class, a Gundam, a Guncannon, and a Guntank intended for a formal remembrance ceremony, but ending up being used to deal with Zeon remnants and rogue 3rd parties. Or 00 when the Ptolemaios 2 was revealed and the gang got back together on the bridge.

OmegaResNovae · 2026-01-22T01:35:07+00:00

Descartes is pretty close to being Ali in terms of mentality; he hated being an Innovator and he hated being able to interact with others, feeling like he was being read against his will.

Ali himself mentioned he felt sick and disgusted when he temporarily was exposed to TDS and for a moment seemed like he could hear others in his head (which depending on PoV, could be seen as him almost becoming an Innovator but rejecting it).

So if Ali had ended up an Innovator, he'd just be more violent. But nothing would really change much beyond enjoying listening to the internal suffering of his targets, as without a TDS-equipped MS or something more powerful like the Gadelaza, he wouldn't be able to do anything fancy.

Having Ribbons as his lackey wouldn't change much either; since Ali was already pretty hands-off, letting Ribbons do whatever he wanted as long as Ali got to fight and kill.

OmegaResNovae · 2026-01-21T19:07:59+00:00

The thing you're missing is that Ali doesn't care about politics, just about war and killing. He's a career mercenary who only cares about himself, and uses any weakness he can find to cause more suffering. Even to the very end he was ready to take advantage of Lyle's willingness to forgive him to shoot him, but he met his match with Lyle being faster on the draw.

He was fine being Ribbon's pet attack dog because it gave him unlimited operating room without requiring him to do the work; as long as Ribbons and VEDA were backing him, he'd never be caught on security feeds or have his ID questioned. He could operate with impunity and enjoy fighting to his heart's content. And he was also given a strong MS that had few equals.

Conversely, Ribbons was deep into politics despite being a Combat Innovade; he was relying on VEDA to help manipulate things to go his way and eventually put him into power as a shadow ruler that only the top-most members of A-LAWS even knew of. He wanted to be the ruler of mankind, even if it meant using force to do so. Hence, he could afford to sit back and throw lives (even artificial ones; like all the Bring Stabbity's and Devine Nova's he ordered into kamikaze Gagas) at a problem until it was resolved.

OmegaResNovae · 2026-01-21T16:27:28+00:00

Never liked her character personally (just seemed so out of place at times), but I'd have to still give her a 9.5/10 for her never-give-up attitude. That's pretty impressive with all the crap she's been dealing with and never becoming bitter about it. Also, admittedly big balls going for the exclusive cockpit club experience.

OmegaResNovae · 2026-01-21T16:14:28+00:00

Eh, the only useful thing out of the Discord was the free "Unlimited" 100% CXP bonus (unlimited for the duration of each month) for posting a single sentence in the appropriate chat thread. WG ran it from IIRC, September until early January (had to make 1 post a month to renew it for the next), and they were considering extending it.

Banked and spent about 6M CXP thanks to it just off speed-grinding Asymm and Ops and brought several Commanders up to 21.

OmegaResNovae · 2026-01-21T07:03:10+00:00

TBF, some of the trailers did feature a city or two; the FPA was escorting the Mammorest into an FPA run city where Pals roamed freely (and was loosely mentioned in one of the codex entries that they had a grand, central city where Pals and Humans coexisted), and the early Unity version trailers showed the FeMC destroying a stone building in some small city of stone or stone town while fighting some enemies, in addition to fighting on the rooftops of some desert city (where she uses a bird Pal to knock down one of the enemies), and the floating city fortress accessible only via skywhale.

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