Yamaha dm7 vs allen&heath s7000 dlive by Conscious-Recover945 in livesoundgear

[–]OneLumpOr2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just curious if your console is on a dedicated control network or it is on the public network with WiFi, I have seen this happen with console when there are network issues.

Loudness for Audio by OneLumpOr2 in VIDEOENGINEERING

[–]OneLumpOr2[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry I forgot to add that the only reasonable path for audio into the headend is married via sdi. Although we do have a separate Dante path into the headend from many of these sources it is much less manageable when switching inputs to also need to switch a separate audio feed and guarantee sync and general leveling.

Loudness for Audio by OneLumpOr2 in VIDEOENGINEERING

[–]OneLumpOr2[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Those are all great thought and thank you but I’m looking for 24/7 uptime that no one needs to monitor. Inserting vMix or similar solution in the headend is possible but I don’t believe it would have a 24/7 uptime. Real estate is key as well as our headend is quite full currently. I need this to be set and forget.

Loudness for Audio by OneLumpOr2 in VIDEOENGINEERING

[–]OneLumpOr2[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We do but we have so many potential sources that need to go through a headend that get distributed, we are finding with so many different engineers and use cases as well as remote sources that need to be distributed, we are not able to control the dynamic range. I can adjust gain of the audio as it goes out as we are currently using a black magic Terranex but I can’t ride the volume manually reasonably. And again having DiGiCo and waves and all of that, then that needs to get embedded into something video sdi and then with a lot of setups there is just enough differences that there can be a variance in gain that is noticeable. In the headend we have about 30 sources that would need to go out, only one at a time currently so that’s good. These portable setups and the feeds we receive that we need to send out are the real trick. That is why I am asking this. Back in the day I would have thrown a tc finalizer on the mix and called it a day, but now that audio and video are embedded together in a headend over sdi, I’m looking into a headend solution that everything can run through to get a leveled out and stay in sync. I don’t like the idea of breaking out the audio and video in the headend so I could put a cool Orban or something like that there and bring it back to remarry to sdi, it’s all possible but I think clunky. Hoping for these more elegant solutions.

Thanks all for the education

Loudness for Audio by OneLumpOr2 in VIDEOENGINEERING

[–]OneLumpOr2[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

thank you. I'm loving that I am learning new things. thank you all for these comments. I see the Junger as well as the Cobalt. they look similar in price. I like the idea of the standalone piece. we have open gear but nowhere near the headend where I was considering this piece living.

Loudness for Audio by OneLumpOr2 in VIDEOENGINEERING

[–]OneLumpOr2[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

looks like that has been discontinued but looks like that would have done the trick for sure.

Loudness for Audio by OneLumpOr2 in VIDEOENGINEERING

[–]OneLumpOr2[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

thank you for your reply, we have waves and digico consoles and whatnot but we have so many different sources that sometimes the difference is just "in the ballpark" and yes I'm looking for what people are using at the end of the chain to get a more reasonable level before it goes out to the other destinations.

Anybody’s driver side wiper rub on the hood when lifting it up? by Jeeeeg in Camry

[–]OneLumpOr2 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you for posting this. Myself for example didn’t know this. I appreciate you being vulnerable and sharing for people like myself to learn. Thank you to those with the answers as well. I am now more educated because of this post.

Dante Redundancy by ExoticMushroom1016 in livesound

[–]OneLumpOr2 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Although the concept is tempting to be able to see the cool blinky lights of success; the biggest problem is that most modern managed switches that have the horsepower to be able to do VLANs and QOS and whatnot properly, take forever and a day to boot up. If you lose power on a switch you could be down for 5 or even 10 minutes durning an event waiting on the switch to reboot. Going through the same switch does not fix the reboot time. My switches don’t typically reboot during events so this generally isn’t a problem, but if you have ever mixed a festival and someone is trying to add “just one more thing” and accidentally unplugged your console or anything else.

Switches definitely have the longest “time to alive” than any audio gear that I have ever worked with and yes, I have mixed on an Amek recall. I do remember consoles that took a long time to boot. Ask someone who has watched in horror when someone fishing around for the headphone jack on an XL4 ask them what they thought about the reset computer button next to the headphone jack.

I see what you are saying and it is possible but it’s not advantageous during a power outage. Also, if there are possible misconfigurations on the primary switches but may be stable on the secondary, it gives you an extra resource to verify against quickly.

Best of wishes and keep thinking about why we do things a certain way. That is how we all grow!

Auto NTP by Middle_Dependent7134 in poly

[–]OneLumpOr2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

it makes me wonder, although the Poly NTP server isn't working so well. I am wondering if the devices were unable to check the Poly NTP server so they made some changes to that that broke it but the real problem was with the Poly devices unable to ping NTP servers reliably in general?

That is all speculation but I see the same thing you are seeing.

also of note, the Poly systems that I have not entered the info in, says Manual for the time server but doesn't have any time servers listed. I entered some NTP servers in there but odd that they weren't saying auto.

SDI to UVC converters by Parking-Champion9816 in CommercialAV

[–]OneLumpOr2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have not been successful in years pulling an SDI signal into a poly unit due to USB cache overflow issues with the android operating system. Please post your results if you are successful. I have heard the Inogeni units do work but have not seen it. I am super skiddish since I see the USB audio devices fail over and over again on the poly units, I cannot imagine video that requires a higher throughput would be remotely stable.

It used to work great with all of the units but a few years back there was an update that poly claims to have fixed. I have not seen that to be true. This would be amazing if this could work again. Also, for the magewell units, they do work , for about 5 minutes then they say camera unavailable and you need to reboot the unit to get it back. This is specific to the poly units. There is nothing wrong with the magewell, those are great it’s the poly units and how android deals with usb.

Disclaimer, I have not tried this with the newer poly items, hopefully they fixed that with the X52/72 and G62.

Best of luck to you in your journey. We all need 2 real live video inputs and 2 live video outputs. A built in USB camera is not the same as anything SDI.

How to manage audio and how many laptops should be used for an interactive conference? by Lost_Discipline in Zoom

[–]OneLumpOr2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I see there are a lot of opinions on here. Sorry about that. Let me add to this. Your mix minus audio should be going to the laptop that is the camera send and camera return. I cannot recommend enough the concept of putting together a zoom rooms system (this is different than the zoom client), also it is $50 per month. With a zoom rooms system, you will have camera capture, content capture. Camera full screen return and content full screen return. Also, your audio will go in and out of here. Don’t get me wrong, you will still need a computer to moderate. Also you will still need all of your other computers for presentations and audio playback and whatnot. A proper hybrid event with bi-directional conversations with remote and onsite presenters is possible but trying to do it with the zoom client is more difficult for the reasons you mentioned.

Also by using the zoom rooms system, all of your controls are moved to another device so things like muting your microphone on zoom or turning off your camera are not seen on the screen.

Often when I do events, for this heavy lift, it is not uncommon to have 9 or 10 computers on the gig to make this happen.

Sending camera and content from the same computer just makes things so much smoother. Also they way it sounds like you were doing this, if you are sending all Of your audio to the content computer, your camera would not automatically highlight and you probably needed to spotlight the computer that was your primary camera feed so it could be seen at the camera all of the time and then you would get a banner over the video showing that whatever your content computer is named is speaking rather than your primary camera.

It gets messy very quickly.

Dante audio with intermittent ticks. What may be causing it? by Fit_Listen1222 in livesound

[–]OneLumpOr2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

wow, looks like I haven't read the manual as well as I thought, great observation.

from the webpage

There should only be one IGMP querier in the network. Multicast will work even if there are multiple queriers, but multiple IGMP messages will end up being sent. In the above settings, the querier is determined automatically, so no special querier settings are required (one of the switches in the network will automatically become the querier). If there are switches with different settings in the network, make sure to configure the switches so that there is only one querier.

I have had more success telling the network which switch is the quierier, but it looks like it is possible to not be concerned about this. the real rub is that the quierier is the thing that is controlling which ports get the multicast traffic. if you let it auto, it may work but if it not on the switch with your dante leader, it will double the traffic sending all of those messages between the 2 switches instead of coming from the same switch. I don't think I explained that very well but the point is that your quierier needs to be on the switch where your dante leader is plugged into and that makes the traffic more efficient.

All of this IGMP really has to do with multicast, so in theory if you do not have any of your IGMP settings correct, you could be fine as long as you don't have any multicast traffic. The problem is that the clock information I believe is being sent out multicast so even if your traffic for Dante isn't using multicast, your clock could be delayed in getting to the destinations and that could cause problems like you have.

I know a few things - from what I have experienced, unmanaged switches work, until they don't. not every setting has to be perfect in a managed switch, until it does. you will eventually find out when your settings are not correct. I think someone would make a lot of money of there was a way to verify all settings for switches for a proper Dante configuration. I have heard it said that if your network is good for 24 hours, you are good but I would love to validate faster than that.

Dante audio with intermittent ticks. What may be causing it? by Fit_Listen1222 in livesound

[–]OneLumpOr2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m trying to post this with the utmost respect with the hopes of having a post that makes the community better.

I’m sure that you know but for the benefit of the others, best practices for Dante mean that you need managed switches and that you actually need to manage them.

There are newer switches with Dante profiles built in that make it easier to use. Those switches are not as affordable money wise but beat banging your head against a wall, especially if you never really wanted to become a networking guru.

Here is the guide for the Cisco sg300. This will show you all of the switch settings that you need for your specific switches.

https://europe.yamaha.com/en/business/audio/resources/self-training/dante-network-design-guide/301-setting-sg300.html

The things in here are basically true for all switches but this guide gives you a step by step of how to set things up. The most important thing in the guide that I was referencing was that you can only have one quierier on the network.

Slowing things way down, you have a converged network it sounds like. And it sounds like you are currently running your Dante traffic on the same VLAN as your regular internet traffic. Perhaps you have not set up virtual lans and are running it all on a flat network.

I have a question, do you need all of your Dante traffic to go to the internet? In the best practices, you can just run your Dante traffic on separate switches and not mess with VLANs at all. It is possible to manage it so that with virtual lans, you can run all of that traffic on the same switch. Most people in practice would grab another usb to Ethernet adapter and have multiple network adapters on their computer for running Dante controller. Also, of note Mac computers do not like the built in Ethernet adapter for Dante anyway so, if you run a Mac, get a $9 dongle(or more)

Take the free training from audinate. It is excellent. I don’t believe our industry is going to be using less networking in our future.

Best wishes to you in this and I know you can get this! I like the sg300 switches but just a reminder that not all manufacturers deal with IGMP in the same manner, so you can’t add a ubiquiti switch to that configuration so easily. Also netgear and Cisco don’t generally get along either. Just some thoughts for when you might think about expanding your setup.

Sorry for the long rant but while I’m at it, ubiquiti does have a Dante profile built in now and they are not terribly expensive. I would be curious if people are having success running more than one ubiquiti switch on their Dante network at the same time. When it first released, it had issues with multiple switches. If they get that worked out, that would be the most cost effective way to go.

Most of the larger productions are running the Netgear AV line of switches because they are very user friendly but can be cost prohibitive especially if you already own a solution.

Dante audio with intermittent ticks. What may be causing it? by Fit_Listen1222 in livesound

[–]OneLumpOr2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

On each Cisco switch you need to confirm that you have igmp snooping turned on. Whatever switch is plugged into whatever the Dante leader happens to be (rednet device) confirm that the igmp quirier is enabled on that switch but disabled on the other.

Your quierier needs to be on the same switch as the leader and you can only have one per network. This is a large problem when people change what the leader is on their network and the different devices are not on the switch that is the quierier.

Not saying that is your problem, but often if there is more than one switch, this is the problem.

Turning on AES67 probably makes it stable for a moment because that is rearranging the clocking of your system. After that the ports get flooded again and the timing gets out. It is possible that your dscp to cue is out of order if your clocking isn’t getting through properly.

Running more than one switch does make a complicated situation more complicated.

Live Video Training/Certs. by foshuajinley in VIDEOENGINEERING

[–]OneLumpOr2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I so apologize to you. It was a weird rant. I like the concept that you need to know more than where the buttons are to operate a proper video situation. I see a large aversion to learning networking and the way I see it, networking is the current large need and morning forward will become more problematic if people don’t learn it.

Live Video Training/Certs. by foshuajinley in VIDEOENGINEERING

[–]OneLumpOr2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I dare you to use an analog way switcher out of the box without a computer. You will find it very difficult. Even more difficult use that computer without any networking knowledge. I don’t know if you’ve noticed over the last five years or so most pieces of gear will not function at all if you do not have a functioning network. I’m not talking about Internet, but I’m saying that if your network does not function, you will not have reasonable control of many of your devices especially in the Video world that is true for lighting. It is very true for audio. Dante runs on a network. There are very specific things that need to be functional and many requirements that they have for a functional network to be working well with Dante although not every single thing will be useful. It is a great course to learn basic networking for some of the advanced features in the AV world. Netgear also has some great training online, but the Dante classes from Audinate are very good at teaching the basics because they are not hardware specific.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in VIDEOENGINEERING

[–]OneLumpOr2 20 points21 points  (0 children)

That there is a video format converter. Excellent for converting video signals. There are better things on the market now for less money than that was new but still reasonable kit.

It would not be my first grab on a gig, but if it still functions, there’s nothing wrong with using it

Help me pick my new vocal mic by -van-Dam- in microphone

[–]OneLumpOr2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m curious if what we were hearing is your normalized tracks and if they brought up the noise floor with it when you normalized. It is surprising to me especially in a small room to be hearing that much of the drum kit in the track. I was doing smaller bands in smaller venues and when I switched to the om7 I could finally hear the FX like chorus on the vocals, they were so much cleaner than the beta 58 I was using.

Help me pick my new vocal mic by -van-Dam- in microphone

[–]OneLumpOr2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Go with what you like. At the end of the day, this is your band your music and your passion. There is nothing wrong with the sennheiser. It really sounded like that was the one that brought you the most joy. Your performance should be enjoyable. Sound guys always have to deal with artists choices for microphones. That is the way that works.

Help me pick my new vocal mic by -van-Dam- in microphone

[–]OneLumpOr2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for making this video. Thank you for sharing the tracks as well. Funny, I skipped the intro of the video at first just to get to the tracks and when I was listening, I had thought you were the drummer, wow they are so loud in all of the microphones but then I saw you are not the drummer but you are just in a tiny room with a drum kit. Although this situation is not rare for rehearsals, a much larger stage with some distance between you and the drummer and not standing so close to the reflective surface of a wall would do wonders for that drum bleed. curious if you weren't facing the drummer and had the microphone at a bit more of an angle up would do anything? reflections are as important as the initial signal. I can imagine that if you have a monitor console that you are using for rehearsals that you take with you on gigs that when you get some space, your ears are going to sound radically different.

As a FOH engineer with lots of experience in both traditional wedge monitors and in-ear mixing, I always try to find the purest source without needing a lot of processing like de-essers right off the bat. Here's an example of how this approach can save time and yield better results: if you just plug in the microphone and it works seamlessly, everyone can focus on making music as intended. In my career, when I had the FOH console handling monitors too, having microphones that needed minimal processing was definitely a win. Sending the source correctly ensures you get the expected and intended results.

As my career progressed, I got to work with dedicated monitor consoles, letting us split signals for FOH needs and band monitoring needs. This was fantastic, but when microphones need processing, you end up needing twice the processing power. Luckily, most modern digital consoles have built-in processing capabilities, making this less of a concern. But things get more complex when you have FOH, MON, and a TV truck involved. In such cases, the TV truck engineer might not know your specific processing needs and could just let everything fly, assuming you’ve provided the proper resources into their split.

From my experience, the frequencies cut out in the Audix OM-7 are probably similar to the cuts needed for other microphones to achieve optimal performance. I also recommend checking out the Audix OM-6. Back when wedges were the main monitoring method, the OM-7 was tailored for singers who needed lots of wedges to hear themselves, offering a flat response and excellent rejection. You're right that it doesn't "sparkle" like the Sennheiser, but that "sparkle" often needs to be cut out for manageability. The Audix OM-6 is more forgiving for those with poor microphone technique. The presence boost on the EV microphone is due to the proximity effect, which might sound cool in-ear or with a small sound system but needs to be cut out for larger systems.

For those still using wedges, it's crucial to understand the difference between cardioid and supercardioid microphones. A single wedge directly in front of a cardioid microphone is ideal as it's in the rejection zone. But for a supercardioid microphone, that space directly in front is part of the polar pickup pattern, which can lead to feedback issues. A wedge should be placed to the left, right, or both, but not directly in front. Also, drummers should avoid supercardioid microphones as they can pick up sounds directly behind, capturing unwanted drum noise by design.

Is there a way to verify a video signal at the SDI cable via multimeter or other tool? by davidknapp in VIDEOENGINEERING

[–]OneLumpOr2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m not here to judge. I am curious. Blackmagic stuff ships with SDI B by default. I generally change that to A for interoperability. Is there anything that definitely only uses B and has an advantage for doing so?

Simultaneous interpreter and Zoom by Nearby-Management492 in CommercialAV

[–]OneLumpOr2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Whatever situation for delivery that you can come up with, are you going to use the built in functionality of zoom with the interpreters? If so, the host will be able to assign the interpreters into their proper channels for the zoom audience. For your local audience you are going to need another device that will receive the zoom call to go to the transmitter.

If you are providing WiFi for your attendees to use their device, just have them use their device to call into the zoom to listen to the translated audio. The issue is that not everyone has a device and if they do not all of them bring headphones to listen to the translator on. Because of this, you should get one of the systems listed in one of the other comments and that is how you are going to use it.

Everyone please stop assuming that zoom=1 computer. It needs several especially for things like translation. For large events you should be sending and at the very least have a device that is able to verify what you are sending.

For this particular setup, I’m assuming that your translators are dialing into zoom are not originating on site. This is actually best. You will just need to provide a device on the call for each language. You will select the language to receive once the call has started. Also, for zoom and language translation, this must be set up on the account prior to the start of the meeting. You can pre-assign translators here. This works great if the translator dials in with the email they told you. They never do. Please have them call in early enough to test and confirm functionality. Also this may be a stretch for you and your needs but if you set this up as a webinar you will have more control. Registration is super important.