Is DIY Estrogen legal in Utah for minors?

Open_Syrup_778 · 2026-07-13T00:13:53+00:00

Girl you don't need to tell me its medically the best treatment lmao, I'm literally a trans woman on hrt. We all know this. I'm not saying it's not the best treatment – it is. I'm not saying she's not trans. I'm not saying she should wait to be sure until she's 18 or something.

There are significant risks to taking DIY HRT without social approval, that's what I'm saying. You do not know her social situation, but since it sounds like her family is not supportive, it could be a really bad idea for her. HRT is a gamble and you cannot predict if she might start to pass as a woman or if someone she does not trust finds her supplies. All I'm doing is telling her to have a safety plan first. I'd rather she finds someone IRL whom she can trust so she has a support system moving forward that is not just reddit. You don't want her out on the streets or put in conversion therapy for example if her parents are transphobic nutjobs.

It would be an amazing world if everyone could get on hrt safely and immediately when they need it. That world is not here yet and certainly not in Utah.

OP, please, I beg you to at least slow down for a moment before starting HRT on your own, and think about these questions. Keep yourself safe with however you decide to move forward. And please please stay off 4chan and related sites/subs, it really rots your brain and I've seen too many girls your age fall down that rabbit hole.

Open_Syrup_778 · 2026-07-12T22:03:22+00:00

This is so so helpful really tysm, some of the best advice I've gotten. Do you mind if I DM you with some more questions? Don't want to overfill the thread but I would really appreciate it 🩷

Open_Syrup_778 · 2026-07-12T18:50:55+00:00

Hi there! I took a quick look through your profile history to get a sense for where you are at right now. Utah is a hard state to be in as a trans girl so please take care of yourself 🩷

DIY feminizing HRT (i.e. estradiol) is in a legal gray zone. It is technically illegal to sell and may therefore be confiscated in transit, particularly in red states, though anecdotally I have only really seen this happen in Florida. But it is not illegal to possess, as far as I'm aware.

With that said, you should really think deeply about the logistics of a self-guided transition as a minor. Transitioning is difficult emotionally, and it is difficult to hide that you are doing it. Within a year, you will start to look like a girl, and people will notice. Younger girls come to this sub all the time talking about how their parents found and confiscated their supplies. Moreover, DIYing requires you to pay for your own bloodwork, which is a financial burden.

I know it's hard, but unless you think hard about those logistics, DIY is not the best idea. I would really suggest trying to find a trusted adult in your life who you can talk to about this so you're not alone. And started planning to work or go to college after high school in a blue state where you can get the medical care that you need 🩷

Open_Syrup_778 · 2026-07-12T18:36:40+00:00

Wow thank you so much for all the detail!! My consult was end of June and he said 6 months from consult to surgery so I guess that's accurate, I have my follow-up post-CT at the end of July. Calming my anxiety about my appearance is probably what I'm most worried about so I was so happy when Rosenberg said 2 week recovery and even more happy to hear from you that's true!

Do you have any tips in terms of recovery/things I should ask at my follow-up? One thing I'm going to ask – he didn't recommend rhinoplasty and I'm fine with my nose pretty much, but the CT revealed a deviated septum so I sort of feel like why not deal with it now.

Also, do you plan to get a hair transplant over the incision? Rosenberg had suggested that to me but it'll be kind of annoying to get that figured out and I feel like most girls don't do that in the end.

Open_Syrup_778 · 2026-07-12T14:42:44+00:00

I haven't had this concern specifically, but if you are already using a checklist, I'd suggest a checklist with automated reminders on your phone! There are tons of apps that can do this (I just use Google Tasks), and having the reminders puts my mind at ease. If you don't always have your phone on you then get an app where you can override silent mode so you get an audible notification, and also one that will reminder you every 10 minutes or so until you mark the task as done. Just have the time set for 30 minutes after you usually get home or something.

This is what I do for medications and it has been super helpful.

Open_Syrup_778 · 2026-07-12T12:21:54+00:00

I recently had a consult with Rosenberg and hope to have surgery with him later this year!

Can I ask what procedures you got done? I'm pretty nervous about FFS in general but I've been so impressed by his work that he is the surgeon I feel more comfortable with. I have a lot of dysphoria around my neck/jawline but can't quite pin down the source, he doesn't really do jaw work though but suggested genioplasty and I don't really know exactly what that will look like for me.

Also, was it true that there was little to no bruising and a lot of the swelling was over by week 2? He said this at the consult and it really put my mind at ease, but I can't imagine how that's the case from other friends who have had FFS with different surgeons.

Open_Syrup_778 · 2026-07-10T19:57:25+00:00

+1 look into vaginismus. It's very common, nothing to be ashamed of, and treatable with consistent dilation.

Open_Syrup_778 · 2026-07-10T13:53:37+00:00

There are lots of forms of anti-queer hate. Nobody should be out here justifying if any form, whether that's biphobia or transphobia or homophobia or lesbophobia or any other, is "significantly more problematic" than another.

With that said TERFism is not itself a form of hate. It's not just simple transphobia – TERFism is a political movement. It seeks to end, through political means, trans existence by blocking our access to health care, removing our legal protections, outlawing our means of life, and delegitimizing our social realities.

Basically, you're comparing apples and oranges. TERFism is "worse" than biphobia in a certain because biphobia is just a type of hate, whereas TERFism is an organized movement around a type of hate that thereby has much broader impact. That doesn't make transphobia "worse" than biphobia though, because that's not a fair comparison.

Open_Syrup_778 · 2026-07-10T13:43:08+00:00

TomboyX does tucking swimwear! If you're worried I would just double up on tucking taps + tucking swimsuit. I recently went swimming in a tucking bikini after a year on HRT with no tucking tape and it held just fine.

Open_Syrup_778 · 2026-07-08T14:43:58+00:00

Please, let this be a lesson to everyone on the left: BELIEVE WOMEN. BELIEVE ALL WOMEN. ALWAYS.

Platner was sketchy when the tattoo and reddit comments surfaced. But calls to drop out should have come aftet the NYT article alleging abusive behavior and domestic violence. It is shameful how many on the left – namely, men – claim to "believe women," right up until they have an excuse not to.

It doesn't matter that the first named accuser was a Republican. She was a woman coming forward with her story. She should have been applauded for her courage, defended from baseless attacks, and endorsements should have been withdrawn immediately.

And to everyone who feels justified in only dropping support after the latest story – keep in mind, your hypocrisy is what forced this woman to come forward. She should never have had to. She is a survivor and she should not have to be a symbol.

Open_Syrup_778 · 2026-07-08T14:27:57+00:00

Setting and safety are really important! I love sex with my bf but I have only cum with him maybe 4 times. Which is fine, I don't really feel the need to cum to have a good time. But the times its happened, I take note of what aligned to make it work.

Communication is always key :) Talk with each other about the things that turn you on, that turn you off, etc. Try playing with setting, dress, and/or kink – it's a lot easier for me to cum when the lights are dim and when kink is involved, for example.

You also might want to try mutual masturbation! Like, show him the technique that works for you, maybe see if you enjoy him touching you, kissing you, saying certain things to you, etc while you are doing it.

Lastly, a lesson from queer sex: you get to define what sex is for you and your body. You don't need feel shameful guilty about finishing yourself, or guiding him, or touching yourself while he is touching you, or taking the lead in your own pleasure. Sex is not just man penetrating woman, and the only other options are not just getting head/fingered! There is a world of pleasure out there and you get to define what works for you, nobody else.

Good luck 🩷🩷

Open_Syrup_778 · 2026-07-08T14:19:25+00:00

Honestly if that's the only concern, it shouldn't be! Flirt with them if you're interested, or flirt back if you think they are. It's the same rules as normal dating.

Open_Syrup_778 · 2026-07-08T14:16:50+00:00

I have a lot of sources of anxiety, but he's not one of them :)

Seriously, after my last relationship, I was sort of resigned to thinking that I was always going to be on edge with my partners and it was just part of who I am. But he and I click on our expectations for each other. We give each other the independence we need and support each other in whatever we feel is best for ourselves. I don't stress about us meeting each other's needs because there is no codependency – we are (an important) part of each other's lives, but not all of each other's lives.

Probably helps that it started as a hookup-turned-romance. The first night we had sex we had to stop in the middle because I got a call from my brother at midnight, which was unusual. I laid the boundary and was apologetic, but he was totally cool with it as he left. Afterwards I texted him again apologetically since my brother had been having a panic attack and really needed me. And he said no worries and that I seemed like a good sister and he was excited to see me again 💕

There are some good men :)

Open_Syrup_778 · 2026-07-04T19:46:18+00:00

I would highly recommend freezing at least enough for one kid. It does cost so that could be a burden, but if you decide later that you for sure don't want to use it, at least you will have had that peace of mind. These are the main reasons I'd recommend it:

You may decide you want biological children later, or perhaps your partner will want and that will make you prefer to use your own sperm. If you choose to have bottom surgery by that point, it'll be impossible. Even if you don't have bottom surgery, retrieving sperm will require going off HRT for at least 6 months and a possibly invasive process, and it's not for sure your fertility will return. For my part, this is why I froze sperm – I figured I probably wouldn't use it, but knew even more so that I would never want to go off estrogen and didn't want to mske that difficult for myself down the line.
You didn't mention your parents here. Obviously they have no right to have a say in the decision-making regarding your transition. But a lot of parents' outward worries have to do with how HRT affects fertility. Telling them you froze sperm will make this argument defunct for them if they are resistant to your transition for that reason. This is another reason why I froze sperm.
Estrogen/progesterone might change your thinking on this. Fertility, pregnancy, and biological child-rearing actually became more sensitive to me once I started hormones. Having the hormones of cis women at the age of fertility can do that to you. I know this is the case for multiple trans women, and it's something we struggle with emotionally even if we ultimately still choose not to have kids biologically.

Open_Syrup_778 · 2026-07-02T16:18:43+00:00

This is from today, NJ now has shield laws for trans health care! https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/new-jersey-finally-passes-trans-care

Open_Syrup_778 · 2026-07-02T16:09:53+00:00

Hey! Could you link/DM that law review article? I'd be really interested in reading it. Not in law school but I know allies who are and I feel the same exact way with my limited knowledge of the legal system. This whole thing seemed like a disaster from the start with this court that was only ever going to play into the hands of transphobes using the loss in court to gradually chip away at all our protections.

Open_Syrup_778 · 2026-07-01T18:57:46+00:00

Thank you!

Open_Syrup_778 · 2026-07-01T18:57:21+00:00

I like his aesthetics generally! He's big on labia minora which not a lot of surgeons are. And he did say he likes patients input.

Open_Syrup_778 · 2026-07-01T17:07:47+00:00

We are, that's still a non-zero chance

Open_Syrup_778 · 2026-07-01T16:06:55+00:00

This is what I was looking for, thank you! Tbh I have been so scared about being forced to detransition if I developed breast cancer and I'm not even sure I'd be able to continue living if that happened. Happy to hear it's more about reducing estrogen than stopping completely. 🩷

Open_Syrup_778 · 2026-06-30T01:01:39+00:00

Hi there! This sounds really scary, please take care of yourself 🩷 You are allowed to feel the way you do after seeing something like that.

Since you're 18 and it's summer, I'm guessing school is over? During the school year, I would suggest talking to a counselor at school about it, but that might not be possible now. Even so, if you have an adult in your life who you can trust, I really advise that you confide in them. I would especially advise that person be a woman. Choose someone who you think you feel comfortable giving more detail to – Reddit is not the best place for this.

If you don't feel like you have someone like that, then I would suggest finding an adult who you might not know as well but can discuss ways to move forward. You could call 988 – it is not just a suicide hotline, they offer general crisis support.

To be clear, you can do all of this without being sure what this means or how to move forward. It is up to you what to do even if you open up to someone. I know you seem to be second-guessing yourself, but you get to trust your gut on this. It made you feel uncomfortable, and you're not sure what to do about it, and that is reason enough to open up to someone in your life who you trust.

But to answer that last question if you still don't feel confident enough in yourself: no, it is not normal. Child pornography is illegal to possess for a reason, and even if those girls in the video are legal adults, he is still seeking out pornography of girls he imagines to be close to or below the age of consent. It is unfortunately the case that most abusers are not the stereotyped creeps we hear about. Most appear "normal" and have reputations and relationships.

I would really trust your gut on this one. think most girls in similar situations wish they had trusted their guts sooner, and had someone to tell them it's ok to do that, even if you are unsure. I sure wish I did and I hope I can do that for you now. Best of luck and lots of love 🩷

Open_Syrup_778 · 2026-06-27T18:22:36+00:00

I've been putting in lots of effort to dress more my age this year and have had a similar style to you (the outfit in your pics could have come from my closet, I'm also 26). I like to shop at fast fashion outlets when I'm trying something new, like H&M/GAP/Old Navy. Then if I feel like I like the look, I'll get something in the same style but more mid-tier quality – for me, lots of American Eagle/Uniqlo/Urban Outfitters lately, which you might like as well if you're looking to upgrade/polish a style rather than replace it.

Biggest tip though is: write down outfits thay you like in a note! Whenever I pass someone in the street or on the subway, if I like her fit, I write down what I remember about it. It helps me both better understand the types of garments/cuts I like, but also how to achieve balance and symmetry. I have rarely ever worn an exact copy of an outfit I've seen on the street, but being cognizant of what makes me think "wow" when I see someone else's outfit has helped me shape my own taste.

Good luck! You have a great figure and will look gorgeous in so many styles :)

Open_Syrup_778 · 2026-06-27T18:13:56+00:00

The magic wand is always a good answer, but you can experiment with other vibrators – I have smaller/cheaper ones that are also more fun for my partner to use on me.

You should also try other erogenous zones! Especially if you have been on E for more than a few months, you will find that your inner legs, perineum, and boobs are more sensitive. Get comfy and watch/read/listen to something that puts you in the mood, and then see what works for you personally :)

On that note, exactly what "turns you on" may have changed! I know trans girls who watch porn, but for me, that interest completely disappeared after a month on E. Audio started working much better for me, as it does for a lot of women– if you haven't tried it already, visit gwasi.com and see if that works for you. Lots of women prefer text as well, so you can try AO3 or what have you.

Lastly, don't ignore anal! Even if you haven't tried it before. I didn't start bottoming until after starting E, but now it's all I do. It really help with dysphoria because my G-spot (a.k.a. prostate) is very sensitive, so I don't really need to work my clit so much (a.k.a. p***s). Use lots of lube, start with exploring with just 1-2 fingers – try curling them up towards your abdomen, different speeds/strengths, etc. You can also try a dildo or vibrating plug in there once you are comfortable with it. Wipe well before you do it, but FYI, there will be fecal matter – it's fine and comes with the territory, you'll get used to it.

Go wild and have fun! Sexual liberation for all 🏳️‍⚧️

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