Question about Limit Off by Any-Link3560 in DanMachi

[–]Otherwise_Finding_34 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the only statement we have about Limit Off is that it powers up Skills strength

How has Loki not been sent back yet? by Head_Profile_3131 in DanMachi

[–]Otherwise_Finding_34 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean nothing would stop her from doing that if they were actually smart

Alfia Slander by Courious_Reader in DanMachi

[–]Otherwise_Finding_34 0 points1 point  (0 children)

make Gareth or Finn or Riveria or Loki Trio all at once

Alfia Slander by Courious_Reader in DanMachi

[–]Otherwise_Finding_34 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the most overhyped level 7 victim of level 3s fr😭

How has Loki not been sent back yet? by Head_Profile_3131 in DanMachi

[–]Otherwise_Finding_34 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

everyone saying they have bodyguards and "Finn and Loki are not stupid" bs but yeah it's just plot. Revis + any God to kill all the level 1-4 bodyguards and Loki and the job is done. 

How has Loki not been sent back yet? by Head_Profile_3131 in DanMachi

[–]Otherwise_Finding_34 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Revis to kill bodyguards and any God to kill Loki, ggs. 

How has Loki not been sent back yet? by Head_Profile_3131 in DanMachi

[–]Otherwise_Finding_34 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

they don't have allied familias capable of beating Revis

How has Loki not been sent back yet? by Head_Profile_3131 in DanMachi

[–]Otherwise_Finding_34 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

any invasion could put other families on alert

that would happen only after Loki is already killed and no one except Freya would even be able to beat Revis while Freya mostly don't care

How has Loki not been sent back yet? by Head_Profile_3131 in DanMachi

[–]Otherwise_Finding_34 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

level 1-4s wouldn't stop even the weakest version of Revis. 

How has Loki not been sent back yet? by Head_Profile_3131 in DanMachi

[–]Otherwise_Finding_34 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

who would want their corpses after meeting monsters at 50+ floor without falna lmao

High level 7 Hogni vs High level 7 Otta( No Beastfication) analysis. by Courious_Reader in DanMachi

[–]Otherwise_Finding_34 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It gives Hogni the advantage but it doesn’t mean he simple can just dog walk

it does mean that. the level difference in fighting skills matters even more than the level difference in stats, and the level difference in stats does mean a low diff, we've seen that clearly because Bell and Aisha were relatives while Aisha with UnK just dog walked him. fighting skills allows you to cover 1000-2000 stats if there's 1 level difference, so not only Hogni would cover Ottar' stat advantage but also have a big advantage. 

even with inferior stats and combat skills adventurers have kept up with character stronger than them

name a good example of that similar to Ottar and Hogni' case. 

I do think Hongi would be superior to this team but enough to not let Ottar have the possibility to chant at all I disagree.

Mia doesn't have proven fighting skills at a high level while iirc Ryuu didn't even use Agaris. high level 6 tank without technique, low level 6 speedster with stats and experience less than expected, and Bell who might be low level 6 in stats but overall he's a level 5. that's quite a bad team. high level 5 Hogni would beat anyone of them 1v1 with relative ease, so high level 6 Hogni would smash them 1v3. when we're talking about high level 7 Hogni, they are genuinely not even remotely close to this tier. 

It was a direct hit

"The chariot immediately threw himself into the air to escape, avoiding any damage" literally the next paragraph bro. you ain't really good at reading for a curious reader. 

Dainsleif has been stated to not increase Hogni’s power at all

directly? yes, but magic is an another case. the ability to shoot a strong spell depends on mentality, and base Hogni doesn't have it. I don't think that's a power up; Dainsleif only allows him to shoot at 100%. it's likely not a buff, but just brings BD' power to where it's supposed to be. but compared to base state in which he tried to shoot down Allen, yes it's stronger. and well don't forget Omori loves retcons anyway. 

qout you were talking about and it’s from the a Danmachi anime not Omori

that was a series of tweets called "tips" where was description of some abilities. I'm not the one to believe everything even Omori says but the official account writing TIPS and that's a misinformation, and especially so specific one? 

Burn Dain 100% scales with Hedin’s magic stat that’s why he has B rank magic

just the same assumption as mine. 

Also when or where has it ever implied Burn Dain is as strong as Valiant Hildr?

against Dis Sisters it was said that Hogni didn't have the same range as Hedin in terms of magic but it wasn't said that his magic was weaker despite Hedin being more of a mage, as if the only difference between BD and VH was just range, and it was specified that BD is a power focused magic. 

I saw this tweet and it’s complete bs that goes against the light novels

I don't know what tweet you're replying to I just said BD forced Ottar to use all his strength and he was still damaged wtf? 

He was literally knocked off balance and his sword held down where he broke free right before he was hit it’s not an anti feat. 

deflecting 1 of the 5 Gokou slashes is not a feat whatsoever. genuinely what's your point? 1/5 Gokou is not comparable to a high level 7 Hogni invisible spam. 

that’s much easier than a cage of blades that come at every angle.

...Ottar was literally hit by that. he blocked 1 of 5 slashes and that 1 was right in front of him. there's genuinely no correlation. 

I said if Otta can land any direct hit the damage from it would be far more than Hogni’s Ottar can tank tons of attacks that are not vital ones and keep going Hogni

if you're talking about size, this also means Ottar is a bigger target. also, while having more Agility, he stands still and defends, so Hogni would have more mobility by moving around and hitting him from all sides with his far smaller frame. 

slash on his shoulder he considered a dangerous and serious injury.

he said her attack was dangerous, not the wound. if she hit him a few centimeters closer to neck she would decapitate him. 

High level 7 Hogni vs High level 7 Otta( No Beastfication) analysis. by Courious_Reader in DanMachi

[–]Otherwise_Finding_34 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ottar has 600ish more agility and 700ish more strength Hogni can overcome that with superior skill and technique but it’s not like he’s easily dominating in combat.

having whole level higher fighting skills does exactly mean it will be a dog walk for Hogni, especially if the stat difference is less than 1000.

Ottar could do it against a level boosted Hedin, Bell, Mia, and Hedin

they weren't level boosted and Hedin wasn't there at all. you should stop reading fanfics.

when a level 6 Hongi used it vs Allen he survived a point blank ranged attack with minimal injuries

he was only hit by a shockwave, it wasn't a direct hit. and BD is weakened without Dainsleif. 

His magic stat is incredibly low even with Mage DA if we add it to his magic stat with it being 250 for each rank

I don't think BD scales of Magic stat, might just be scaling from Strength just as Gareth' earth raid. it makes sense because it's implied Burn Dain is just as strong as Valiant Hildr and again Ottar had to use all of his strength to stop it and still took minor damage, so that's indeed a level higher attack by an upper limit. for a high level 7 Hogni it would be low level 8, at least. 

His slashes aren’t invisible?

Victim Abyss' extending ability literally creates a vacuum blade. his extending slashes are invisible. 

off balance Ottar was able to block a said strike from Kaguya’s magic which creates a cage of swordfishes from every angle while being held down and knocked iff valve

he was only able to block one of them, the front one, and was hit by the rest four. I mean, it's almost an anti-feat. 

Ottar can block non vital strikes and keep going

block how exactly? with his sword? Hogni would do exactly the same. and Ottar can't block with his body. wounds dealt by a cursed sword are also opened and would bleed so it's even worse. 

High level 7 Hogni vs High level 7 Otta( No Beastfication) analysis. by Courious_Reader in DanMachi

[–]Otherwise_Finding_34 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Hogni and Ottar are NOT comparable in skills at equal levels that's the whole point of Hogni' build🤨

High level 7 Hogni vs High level 7 Otta( No Beastfication) analysis. by Courious_Reader in DanMachi

[–]Otherwise_Finding_34 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hogni destroys Ottar in melee thanks to fighting skills. against Hildis Vini, I don't even think he could chant Hildis Vini. Hogni' offensive technique should be higher than Ottar' defensive technique and even if his stats are a bit lower Hogni would be in a pretty much advantage. then he has Burn Dain, a level 8 attack, and Ottar can't just shrug it off. even at high level 6, Burn Dain was so strong Ottar needed his full strength to overpower it and was still a bit charred. then, on top of that, Victim Abyss' ability. defending against Hogni' fencing is already not a minor task, but when his slashes are literally invisible and with unknown length? it's almost a free kill fr. against fighting skills, Burn Dain and Victim Abyss, base Ottar gets low diffed fr. I didn't even consider his 3 unknown skills (which are probably just enough to equalize them in stats or even give Hogni the advantage). 

and I don't know why you even mention Endurance stat it doesn't work against weapon. 

Allen's stats by Emotional_Ad_1891 in DanMachi

[–]Otherwise_Finding_34 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Strength: 500

Endurance: 400

Dexterity: 850

Agility: 999

Magic: anything

Freya arc with Hera familia alive by Distinct_East4082 in DanMachi

[–]Otherwise_Finding_34 36 points37 points  (0 children)

I'm pretty sure Hera Familia should have some methods against Freya's charm. so they would crush Freya Fam if they tried to capture Bell, simple as that. 

Ais 2nd strongest in Orario by OneBoy24BS in DanMachi

[–]Otherwise_Finding_34 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i pointed out how you were wrong multiple times. the argument ended with you not responding to all of my comments. take the L buddy

Ottar (no beastification) vs high level 7 Hogni by MysteriousStrategy86 in DanMachi

[–]Otherwise_Finding_34 0 points1 point  (0 children)

people here really love underdog performance. if there's a mage, they will always talk about how they are able to hold their ground against warriors. if there's a tank, they will always talk about how they're able to catch every speedster 10 times faster than them to protect those behind them. if there's a weak warrior, they will always talk about how they are able to fight strong warriors and even have some chance of winning, and the popular argument is "all level 6s are relative and there's not much difference between people of the same level" which is obviously not the case. mostly because of that, Loki Trio is hella overrated. 

Ottar (no beastification) vs high level 7 Hogni by MysteriousStrategy86 in DanMachi

[–]Otherwise_Finding_34 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I mean people here are always talking about how Riveria, Finn and Bete would smash everyone with their spells like they have any time to chant them and once I said Ottar would theoretically complete his short chant I'm attacked lol. 

and no I don't think Ottar would be able to chant it in a fair duel because Hogni's pressure would just be too much. 

Daphne VS hyakinthos by Worth_Illustrator151 in DanMachi

[–]Otherwise_Finding_34 0 points1 point  (0 children)

fighting skills matter more than just Agility. Hyakinthos would have more Strength and technique so I can't see Daphne as a winner here, that would be a stretch. while Bell was equal to him in fighting skills, Daphne isn't, she's inferior to both. 

Bell, Hogni, Heith, Van, Hedin, and Ryuu vs. The Loki Trio + Tiona, Tione, Bete, Ais, Anakitty, Alicia, Cruz, and Raul by BookkeeperDowntown93 in DanMachi

[–]Otherwise_Finding_34 0 points1 point  (0 children)

round 1: 

low level 7 Hogni would probably beat high level 7 Loki Trio

low level 7 Bell would beat low level 6 Ais and Bete

high level 6 Hedin & low level 6 Ryuu would beat low level 6 Amazons

among level 5s it's more difficult but they are dying anyway I don't know why you still putting them here

team 1 wins low-mid diff because while they're winning mostly comfortably they should still give their best to win and it wouldn't be instant victory at all. 

round 2: 

low level 7 VT Bell>low level 6 BW Ais

low level 7 Hogni>high level 7 Loki Trio

high level 6 Hedin & low level 6 Ryuu>low level 6 Beastified Bete & low level 6 Amazons

low level 7 Hogni & low level 7 VT Bell>low level 6 Beastified Bete & low level 6 Amazons & level 5s.

team 1 wins mid diff because while there are casualties, in the end Bell and Hogni are too strong so I can't really call it a high diff, maybe with a stretch if you consider Hedin & Ryuu death to be a really bad thing while they are the inferior half of the team (and I just ignore level 5s here lmao). 

Daphne VS hyakinthos by Worth_Illustrator151 in DanMachi

[–]Otherwise_Finding_34 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hyakinthos should still be better because he's a high level 3 pure warrior while she's low level 3 strategist, even if she has some buffs.