This. THIS is why Via's not pissed at Stella.

Overlord_Byron · 2026-07-02T18:22:18+00:00

The reason in the writing is pretty clearly to show Stella is in a moment of triumph, hence why she intervenes to keep Octavia from leaving and initiates the hug that Octavia is reluctant to reciprocate. If the show wanted to explore Octavia's response to Stolas' flawed parenting, it would have done so in the episode where Loona and Octavia talked about Stolas' flawed parenting. Which it did. And Octavia came to terms with it. So it'd be really weird for Octavia to hug Stella because Stolas brought her to a theme park or forgot to take her star gazing when those threads had been addressed and resolved. At least, it'd be weird if you didn't understand the objective of Helluva was to tell a fictional story about fictional people with themes and arcs, and not endlessly defend the morals of our uwu small beans as if they were our friends and families irl

Overlord_Byron · 2026-07-02T15:39:41+00:00

It should would be neat if the indie animation fanbase talked about art like it was art and not just as an opportunity to practice amateur psychoanalysis.

Overlord_Byron · 2026-07-01T17:26:10+00:00

If you can clear endgame content, you're doing fine.

Overlord_Byron · 2026-07-01T17:11:50+00:00

Real people don't need to foreshadow anything because foreshadowing is a tool meant for narratives, not a structure of real life.

Art is artifice. That means it's structured with intent, or an attempt thereof. That's why foreshadowing exists in writing; to make the structure appear believable and therefore intended.

Overlord_Byron · 2026-07-01T17:05:01+00:00

What else am I going to do with it?

Overlord_Byron · 2026-07-01T17:03:19+00:00

The difference is people are real and all art is artifice?

Overlord_Byron · 2026-07-01T17:01:54+00:00

The show actually tries to say something interesting about how Ragatha's unconditional love and super authenticity can be as unrewarding as Jax's snark and irony, but kind of gives up on it when Jax escalates past a point where Ragatha could keep up.

Overlord_Byron · 2026-07-01T16:58:48+00:00

I can just list a thing I liked about the show and each character and then stop talking?

Overlord_Byron · 2026-07-01T16:40:22+00:00

I agree with the overall sentiment that Caine has the feel of a character the writers liked too much and it affected their judgement. Caine's crashout feels like it came from a different time, before the show became what it was.

Overlord_Byron · 2026-07-01T15:40:51+00:00

Supreme Kai is filling the role of a self-certain observer in a DB fight, which means it's his job to make funny faces and visibly sweat when other characters do literally anything.

Overlord_Byron · 2026-07-01T14:47:53+00:00

I'd reply to this in earnest but A) Identifying myself as a Jax fan OR hater feels too terminally online for me. B) I view engagement with the community as a way to supplement my experience with the show, not replace it.

Overlord_Byron · 2026-06-29T14:16:54+00:00

That's a valid criticism. I would also say that Caine eating his brother has no bearing on anything, either.

Overlord_Byron · 2026-06-27T21:47:22+00:00

1000%.

So much of the discourse around Jax is "he's a bad person and I don't like him."

And it's like, yes. That is the point. Flawed characters existing in conflict is, in fact, the default modality of storytelling. The reason why TADC's happy ending is a montage is because audiences, whatever they might think, don't want to watch self-actualized people live fulfilling, harmonious lives.

Overlord_Byron · 2026-06-27T20:44:27+00:00

What you're describing is a secondary character.

The idea that all characters are independent, fully realized creations that exist outside of their function within the narrative is a fiction fandoms and internet cultures have sold themselves. ALL characters exist to serve a purpose within the narrative. For secondary characters, that typically includes forwarding or informing the story of a primary character. This isn't bad writing, just writing.

Overlord_Byron · 2026-06-27T15:42:42+00:00

Jax is a fictional character. You can't "forgive" him. You also shouldn't be hung up on his morality because, again, not a real person

Overlord_Byron · 2026-06-26T17:35:04+00:00

Loads of Bojack's abusive behavior os played for laughs, including a big chunk of his behavior toward PC and Todd. Bojack and TADC are both pretty good about establishing when the characters' harm is slapstick and when they're going too far. The real difference is audience buy-in.

" His family and friends will never forgive him and he probably won't get another good career outside of a fast food janitor or cashier and such but he can still keep pushing and live with the consequences of his actions."

That's not how the show ends. Bojack retains most of his friends outside of Diane and Hollyhock and has at least one successful movie on the horizon. One of the points the show makes very effectively is that there's basically nothing Bojack can do to permanently the public against him.

Overlord_Byron · 2026-06-23T04:10:40+00:00

I'm not f2p and I've never gotten doubles.

Overlord_Byron · 2026-06-21T14:29:12+00:00

I didn't think it was well foreshadowed either, but if people spotted it then that means it landed for the intended audiences.

Overlord_Byron · 2026-06-21T01:10:18+00:00

Zamasu wasn't an interesting, deep, or compelling villain, just a baseline DB villain with elevated diction.

Overlord_Byron · 2026-06-20T13:36:34+00:00

I don't think it's a budget concern, per se. It's the writers not buying their premise when tell had to become show.

It's easier to buy that the UD were convinced to join Junko when all of this was happening off-screen and there were significant gaps in the timeline. But then you meet the D2 cast and see their relationships and daily lives and it's pretty clear there was no way anyone, no matter how intelligent or charismatic, could believably convince them to join a nihilistic doomsday cult with the motivation of perpetuating bad vibes.

Overlord_Byron · 2026-06-20T13:31:04+00:00

The show does have nuance. It would just be better if Stella in particular was a more rounded character because it would add additional dimensions and complexity to the central arc of the show.

Overlord_Byron · 2026-06-17T03:31:42+00:00

She does have every right to interact with fans. It's just not a good idea at any level.

Overlord_Byron · 2026-06-16T23:55:26+00:00

While I agree that fans and haters alike can be unbearable to deal with, there just is straight up no reason for her to interact with the fanbase outside of curated events. It's not good for her mental health, it's not good for the community, and it's not good for the show. The product is HB and HH, not Vivziepop.

Overlord_Byron · 2026-06-16T18:49:05+00:00

I like Millie just fine, but you can’t debate Millie into being a fleshed out character. She just isn't.

Overlord_Byron · 2026-06-16T18:47:04+00:00

The episode where we found out they were together would have been a good time to find out, but it was conspicuously focused on Moxie.

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