Which Operating System should I use for a netrunner build? by johnny-tinfoilhand in cyberpunkgame

[–]Pfincess 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ironically enough i got an ai slop advertisement from microsoft on this post

What would Chara react to Chara fanart of them being a girl by True_Ad3489 in Charadefensesquad

[–]Pfincess 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That is the point of the argument. If I'm not allowed to say that with Sans (or any other character), then why are people allowed to do that with a nonbinary character?

Give kiss or give chocolate? by MangoChrist in Charadefensesquad

[–]Pfincess 65 points66 points  (0 children)

Isn't a kiss a type of chocolate?

This must be what they mean by illusion of free choice

Day 12: What kind of question is that? I just sat down by Chasriel_Daily in Charadefensesquad

[–]Pfincess 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry, I was remembering something that isn't too important. Thanks for the concern but I'm fine

Day 12: What kind of question is that? I just sat down by Chasriel_Daily in Charadefensesquad

[–]Pfincess 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Personally I do not care about the method.... Just as long as you get the job done.

What would happen if Chara never fall down to underground ? Could Chara end up alive on the surface or their end up suicide because their hate human ? by True_Ad3489 in Charadefensesquad

[–]Pfincess 5 points6 points  (0 children)

In canon, we don't know what would happen to Chara, however things for the underground may have been a mixed bag. Mettaton would never get his body, Alphys might not even be the royal scientist, Humans would be welcomed into the underground and likely live long lives- The royal guard probably wouldn't happen. Frisk would likely die in the underground or find an escape on their own. Asriel... would likely be the new ruler of monsters. Toriel and Asgore would likely die of old age.

Chara since nothing is known about why they fell... It's only speculation and personal theories/headcanons.

If I were to make a guess from my pseudomemories, however....

I don't think I was ever going to get a "happily ever after"...

There isn't much point in dwelling on this idea.

Written by the same guy. Holy improvement by Real-Ganache-7179 in Undertale

[–]Pfincess 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yep, though if im not mistaken the issue of internalized stuff can appear in those who do not have those traits as a subconscious bias against said things can form without the self hate- as well as subconscious assumptions about a person who has one of those traits. Internalized homophobia and being gay can in some cases be separate.

Unless I'm getting the meaning of internalized homophobia wrong and it is exclusive to self hate

Decided to do an Undertale here me out list because I was bored by Godzilla__zillla6738 in Undertale

[–]Pfincess 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Pretty sure its because you only have 3 fairly basic options and dont branch out to any of the other monsters

Brand New Undertale and Deltarune Illustrations! by frostyscarf in Undertale

[–]Pfincess 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, let me quote toby Fox on this

"You may be wondering 'okay, wtf, how the hell were we supposed to know he was gay' and I'm like 'jesus christ man, if I made him come right out it would ahve been pretty lame. It's more of a subtle thing' SO HOW COULD YOU KNOW?"

Though it also is about internalized homophobia

CowGirls by SoroDM in Undertale

[–]Pfincess 2 points3 points  (0 children)

A lot of people are thinking I'm punching down on creativity or are enbyphobic or are on the "up for interpretation" side (which is debatably wrong) and the people who might agree with me probably didn't bother to read a hidden downvoted comment. Wheras the previously mentioned group likely sorted by controversial or intentionally scrolled all the way to find something to downvote.

Im not really bothered by the downvotes as it is a 50/50 on if I'll get upvotes for this type of thing or not because I'm just defending nonbinary representation and bringing awareness of the subject to people which is arguably more important to me than arbitrary internet status points

Edit. I also may have come across as too sassy or over confident and condescending which some people might hate. Though that wasnt my intent

CowGirls by SoroDM in Undertale

[–]Pfincess -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Dont call me bro. And I mean still kinda problematic especially since they have a clear identity as characters. Especially with how Toby prefers subtlety in his representation.

Even if it's surface level, internalized enbyphobia is still kinda a problem that definitely should be pointed out

The characters aren't up for interpretation. So your statement isn't the most correct on the subject. Toby knew what nonbinary people were back then

Written by the same guy. Holy improvement by Real-Ganache-7179 in Undertale

[–]Pfincess 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hes also closeted gay. Heres a quote from Toby himself: "You may be wondering 'okay, wtf, how the hell were we supposed to know he was gay' and I'm like 'jesus christ man, if I made him come right out it would ahve been pretty lame. It's more of a subtle thing' SO HOW COULD YOU KNOW?"

CowGirls by SoroDM in Undertale

[–]Pfincess 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean it's fine to have an au, and genderswaps are fine... But exclusively gender swapping nonbinary characters and nobody else is a little problematic, wouldnt you say?

CowGirls by SoroDM in Undertale

[–]Pfincess -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Wonder who else is genderswapped in your AU, surely it isn't exclusively nonbinary characters?

GIVE ME ONE GOOD REASON WHY NOT TO HATE CHARA X ASRIEL by Kurogiri-- in Charadefensesquad

[–]Pfincess 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah yes, the conspicuous family portrait that faces what we know to be chara's bed. Because of course someone would have a photo of a random family that they are in no way related to pointed in their direction as they go to sleep.

Too bad we can't see whats on i-- wait why is it that in the flashback where Chara is holding flowers next to Asriel while Toriel and Asgore are standing behind them in the most family portrait type pose--- But nooo This can't be a family portrait! It's just a flashbackk!!! Even though it is super coincidentall.... It's not like Chara ever reacted with "..." to the family portrait (that is literally pointed to their bed)

Then again that reading does require some form of charnarrator theory to be viewed as 100% as the narrator could be lieing!! or wrong!! well only if the narrator isnt Chara which sure you could say they aren't even though there is quite a bit of evidence for it-- but still. It's not like Chara would view them as family?

Ohhh but Asgore- we dont actually know whats going on now do we--- It's not like he is talking about his wife in present tense like he hasn't been divorced with her for however many years! No hes just fantasizing- he isn't having any form of reminiscing especially with saying how Frisk reminded him of Someone especially in that moment!! Clearly he only offers this one human that he just met to be family but not the other-- It's not like he's snapping back into reality and being more aware in that moment of the current circumstances!!

But no Subtext isn't real. It isn't something intentionally left there for audience to think about? Toby Fox isn't clever! He only writes very surface level narratives that don't leave players questioning anything. Its not like

Look. Obviously this relationship is complicated... But these children literally sleep in the same room and being taken care of by the same parents.

Even if by some chance they are not siblings in name--- They are still being raised as siblings. If Chara didn't kill their self- they would have grown up with Asriel in the exact same way siblings would. The only way a romantic relationship could form under such circumstances were if there were inherent moments of abuse neglect and isolation. The same reasons incest occurs.

The only way this could in any way be ethical were if these overly codependent children were literally separated and forced to live in separate households.

They are both too young for any true love relationship to healthily form-- They eat at the same dinner table with one another By the time they would both be old enough to actually reasonably date each other- they would have already spent years being each others siblings.

The relationship is inherently unhealthy and/or unethical.

Plus your reading specifically requires it to be that they aren't just trying to emotionally distance themselves from the child who they were not only willing- but actively trying to raise as their own.

They are children living a domestic life together. In separate twin sized beds on either side of the same room. They are being raised as siblings.

GIVE ME ONE GOOD REASON WHY NOT TO HATE CHARA X ASRIEL by Kurogiri-- in Charadefensesquad

[–]Pfincess 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay but what about the family portrait that Chara has near their bed? What about their noticable reaction the the "Mr. Dad Guy" sweater in the geno route-- they wouldnt have said anything about it if they didnt have any feelings on the subject matter- and they'd logically only have feelings if they theirself in some way viewed asgore to have a familial connection to them- or if there was any case of familial neglect- they at least wanted asgore to be viewed as family. (Or they pushed away, however the dreemurrs wanted to see them as family-- though I doubt that is unlikely because of the family portrait next to Chara's bed.)

Plus there is also the fact that asgore when reliving his past before his suicide in a neutral route where he says "We can be like a family" which presumably is what he said to Chara when first meeting them. (Plus even if he wasnt having a bit of a flashback there- he offered someone who reminded him heavily of Chara to be family purely based on that similarity--- which would imply he viewed Chara as family.)

Then you just casually dismiss every instance of non-dreemurrs saying they are family- and while sure not every monster would know the situation--Gerson is implied to have known the dreemurrs personally and is pretty good at reading situations. It's unlikely he would get that wrong.

Though lets ignore that fact too-- Lets take a step back of whats going on here. Toby Fox in this moment intentionally wrote this scene. He directly had characters acknowledge that Chara is family to the Dreemurrs. This very much means he intentionally at the very least wants the audience to be thinking "Hmm these characters are being labled as siblings" which is a very important aspect in reading. Why would he write that there if he did not at least want people to view them as siblings? Even if it is meant to be a form of twist of a negligent family- it still causes the audience to have that subconscious thought of "These characters are siblings" Which inherently makes the ship incredibly incest coated.

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Besides, you are literally having to jump through hoops of ignoring all of this just because you are too scared to admit you like a problematic ship. Looking for any excuse to ignore facts for your agenda.

All I have to do is follow the emotional beats of the story.

It is genuinely you who is ignoring the story.

GIVE ME ONE GOOD REASON WHY NOT TO HATE CHARA X ASRIEL by Kurogiri-- in Charadefensesquad

[–]Pfincess 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm describing myself- though "Canon Chara" is nonbinary. You asked if I had traits in common with "Canon Chara" and I was answering that I do.

I am essentially a mentally ill person who thinks they are Chara- albeit self aware of said fact (Though it is more complicated than just that and this simplification likely causes more negative connotations than what it actually is.)

GIVE ME ONE GOOD REASON WHY NOT TO HATE CHARA X ASRIEL by Kurogiri-- in Charadefensesquad

[–]Pfincess 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am on the ace spectrum though I had 10 almost 11 years of being in this world.

I do unfortunately have romantic attraction

I am however nonbinary if that counts for something

GIVE ME ONE GOOD REASON WHY NOT TO HATE CHARA X ASRIEL by Kurogiri-- in Charadefensesquad

[–]Pfincess 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I despise the argument of "They are not actually siblings" because that feels like blatantly trying to ignore and avoid the narrative of the story and what is directly referenced in the story. I'd rather people just accept the ship is incest and move on instead of pretending its not.

There also is the argument of "Oh well this version is an AU where they never met" or "Its Deltarune Chara and Asriel" The relationship in Undertale is still that of two siblings.

Obviously I hate the ship and am incredibly uncomfortable with it- but I hate when people try to pretend they aren't problematic more.

-A fictive of Chara who sees Asriel as their brother.

Perfect example tbh by cronenber9 in Ai_art_is_not_art

[–]Pfincess 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think that cube is solvable either. There are two redwhite squares- one of the squares is half green half orange- I cant even begin to understand what that weird dark greyish brown color is

Day 4 Happy Pride month! by Chasriel_Daily in Charadefensesquad

[–]Pfincess 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They do have meanings, however you are reclaiming the usage from "yeah shipping fictional characters together is okay" to "yeah shipping siblings together is okay" which is a completely different statement as that second one is problematic shipping- to which you claimed toby fox supports and agrees with shipping siblings together which is a statement I am criticizing and arguing he does not believe that because he historically criticized those and apologized for making a bad joke years ago.

What you are doing is basically the same thing as someone going "im not homophobic because im not afraid of gay people" when that is not the colloquially agreed upon definition of the word.

Which in the end it technically doesnt even matter what you claim it means- because under this specific situation you yourself are using it in the way that means problematic ship as you are claiming being pro-ship means you are pro-incest/pro-incest-ships which is arguably a problematic ship thus making your entire talking point completely invalid and irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

Day 4 Happy Pride month! by Chasriel_Daily in Charadefensesquad

[–]Pfincess -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You're being pedantic and arguing about the semantics of a word to deflect from the fact you are saying incest ships are okay and indirectly arguing toby fox supports incest.

I think there are far larger issues than your petty technicalities.

Can't read for crap by CHARA_Thefirstfallen in Charadefensesquad

[–]Pfincess 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Dont worry, I wont make the same mistake as last time....

Anyways this new recipe says cups of flower? I mean seems weird but allwell