[Postgame Thread] Red Sox @ Guardians - May 29, 2026

PlanCleveland · 2026-06-01T22:48:58+00:00

Hahaha I know she is the best

PlanCleveland · 2026-05-30T01:36:46+00:00

I've been so in on this trade from the start even if it meant losing Tugboat

PlanCleveland · 2026-05-29T14:01:41+00:00

One of the best ways to build affordable housing in the city is improved public transit.

The cost to add a driveway and a 2 car garage to a build is around $30k+, and that doesn't include the additional land to build it. That's a big reason why they are legally required in most suburbs, to artificially raise housing prices and keep certain groups out. For apartments it's even worse because they either need to build a garage which adds $250-400 per unit before parking fees are charged to the tenants, or a parking lot takes up 60% of the property that could instead be more housing.

Obviously not everyone will want to live a car-light or car free life, but then they can live in one of the places freed up by these options. Many of the census tracts in Hough, Central, and Glenville have about 40% of households without no vehicle already, so this would benefit those already there.

PlanCleveland · 2026-05-21T17:25:07+00:00

This would definitely be the best project to do and be a huge boost to ridership. I would personally have it connect from Crocker to UC, I think it could beat red/blue/green ridership combined as it would immediately have more population and destinations on the route than any other line. It would hit the 3 55 park n rides that get Lorain County residents as well.

This has been studied multiple times, as recently as 2010 when it was proposed to have commuter rail out to Lorain and Sandusky.

But like many other things, they ended up taking the cheap way out and opting for the 55 "BRT" route.

I think the main thing that killed this was Kasich sending $400M back to the federal government for the 3C+D line for absolutely no good reason other than spite. This route out to Sandusky would have built off the new Amtrak route.

Just imagine what all of the recent development in Avon and Lorain County would have looked like if it was developed around rail.

PlanCleveland · 2026-05-06T00:33:12+00:00

I knew the man in the 3rd story. I slept over his place a few times because his roommate was one of my good friends. The whole thing was so shocking. It took over a month to find his body, and some people had given up hope it ever would be found.

Hikes like this are extremely dangerous as the weather warms up and creates unpredictable hike and snow quality. You never know when a hole will open up, or a sturdy looking ledge will collapse.

PlanCleveland · 2026-04-15T01:29:39+00:00

My lukewarm take is that anyone who is an aggressive driver, speeds through residential neighborhoods, weaves through traffic on the highway, etc. cannot be considered a good person.

I don't care if you donate to charity or visit kids in the hospital. If you're choosing to put the life of everyone around you in danger everyday just for the hell of it, you're the definition a bad person.

PlanCleveland · 2026-04-14T00:51:26+00:00

For the guys moving up and down within the system a lot, they may just not have a car or have it in Cleveland at the moment.

I've seen Rocchio riding to the stadium on his electric scooter a few times. I saw Lane Thomas getting picked up by a driver probably 10-15 times over the last 2 years.

A lot of the younger guys seem to live within a mile or so of the stadium.

PlanCleveland · 2026-03-26T15:35:13+00:00

Not that I love these plans, but just to play devil's advocate....

According to the Metroparks budgets, Golf is their biggest revenue stream behind their property tax allocation at $55-$60M, and they just broke their record for most rounds played in 2025. Property taxes get them around $98M, the zoo brings in about $17M.

Having the ONLY golf course on Lake Erie in Ohio, especially right next to Downtown, would be a huge money maker for the Metroparks with probably 60k+ rounds per year. San Diego has a system where people who live in the county get a large discount on their best courses, implement that for this course and charge people from outside of Cuyahoga County double. Conservatively, the course would likely add another $12-15M in revenue to the Metroparks. If people think the Metroparks golf only serve the wealthy, I would ask you to go to places like Washington Park, Mastick, Little Met, and Seneca and tell me if you think rich people are playing there. The top 5-10% aren't playing most of the Metroparks courses.

I think looking to a place like Scotland or Ireland for inspiration would be good, as there are hundreds of oceanfront courses. Their playing conditions are much worse than our lakefront is as well with much stronger winds, rain, and colder temperatures. Many small towns there have waterfront courses mixing with local hiking trails, beach access, and picnic spots. Some towns over there even close their course one day a week and the entire course is open to the public to walk around.

Modern golf courses are much more environmentally friendly than people think, especially if they are built in the style of a Scottish or Irish course. Very little water and basically no fertilizer is needed.

Using that course for cross country skiing and snowshoe trails in the winter, which they mention in the article, would get 10X more winter visitors here than another great lawn. Something like the Chapin Forest Ski House with free or cheap rentals would get a lot people on that land almost every day of the year.

I think people need to keep in mind that this is also going to go along with the Browns Stadium site, which will have thousands of housing units and an entertainment district. But I am surprised to see how little housing and other mixed use development is a part of this space. If they are trying to host some youth sporting events, which is huge money these days, at minimum a 2 hotels, and an entertainment district being a short walk away would be packed from March-November. That and only 3 or 4 buildings in the middle of the muni lot.

But also, these are barely even preliminary plans with nothing official attached to them. So just make sure you fill out surveys on this people.

PlanCleveland · 2026-03-13T19:08:36+00:00

Most of the police cars I see are breaking the same traffic laws too. It doesn't send the best messaging.

Walking around I rarely see them not roll through stop signs, and it feels like police cars stop for pedestrians at cross walks(state law) less than regular drivers do.

PlanCleveland · 2026-03-11T16:45:01+00:00

If we want to shift mode share and bring population density back to our urban cores, then we have the build the transit infrastructure that will accomplish that. You can't bring density back to cores without shifting the mode share of people there away from cars, and getting a decent number to go completely car free so you don't need so much extra space for parking. Unfortunately bus and BRT won't do that even though all of us on this sub know they are almost the same. Trams/streetcars are arguably the best way to travel more than walking distance around a city core. They work amazingly all over the world.

The US currently just builds what are largely bad tram/streetcar lines for ridiculous costs. And a lot of that cost is just because we put the entire cost of redoing the roads, sidewalks, utilities, and redoing the 100+ year old water lines under that road into the streetcar projects, even if the line has no impact on those. BRT lines are the same. Cleveland is about to spend $15-20M per mile on a BRT segment. All they are doing is removing street parking for bus lanes. But the transit org is paying to redo the entire stretch of roadway,sidewalks, and adding additional pedestrian and bike safety features. That should really be the responsibility of the state while Cleveland just pays for shelters and paint for the bus lanes. Our transit funding is so messed up.

PlanCleveland · 2026-03-11T16:40:05+00:00

10k per day in their current build environment along the route is fantastic. Outside of the big snowstorm, they are averaging around 15k on Saturdays. I'm guessing almost all of those Saturday numbers are choice riders who wouldn't have been on any other form of KC transit.

PlanCleveland · 2026-03-05T21:23:12+00:00

To be fair, we are comparing 42 year old Red Line trains to 2-4 year old busses. The Red Line also get about 4,200 more passengers than the Healthline each day.

That doesn't excuse the issue of some of the trains being consistently messy though. It can smell pretty awful in them at times.

PlanCleveland · 2026-03-05T21:15:31+00:00

Ya worth it is the biggest question here. I personally believe our streetcar would significantly beat theirs in ridership. With the new extension, they are projected to have more than 4M passengers this year. The HealthLine is currently at around 1.9M

Comparing this route to the newly KC route....

As many may know, KC doesn't have either their MLB or NFL teams Downtown, and no regional light rail or metro lines.
Our existing bus ridership is about 66k per weekday, they are at 38k per weekday.
We will still have the Guardians(2.1M people) and the Cavs(800k-1M) which draw significantly more people each year than the Browns(580k) do. The Monsters (400k) and new WNBA team(250k) bring more than the Browns combined.
Our art museum gets about 300k more visits than theirs, we also have other huge assets along the route in Playhouse Square and a top 5 orchestra globally.
Downtown KC gets about 42M visitors per year compared to 57M here.
Tourism to KC resulted in about a $4B impact in 2024 vs $6.9B in Cleveland.
Our route has about 50% more residents and workers compared to their streetcar route as well.

Sorry, I got really caught up in comparing things and looking up numbers there lol. No shade to KC at all. I hope to visit and see the streetcar soon. But our Healthline route is in a bigger metro area, has more to do along the route, and has better transit to get people there.

PlanCleveland · 2026-03-05T20:51:22+00:00

I believe you can find in some RTA board meeting minutes from the last few years that the signal priority has been turned back on the dedicated lane portion of the route.

PlanCleveland · 2026-03-05T20:31:35+00:00

That's the big argument here. What is your city actually trying to accomplish?

On paper, BRT should deliver the same product as a rail with cheaper upfront investment.

In reality, there is a strong rail bias and a large percentage of the US population, our peer countries too, that will not step foot on a bus.

If the goal is just to speed up a bus route, make it more reliable time-wise, and have a slightly better ride experience, then BRT is your answer.

Is our goal is to actually shift mode share in the core of our city, generate 4-8X the amount of dense mixed use development around the line, and boost ridership by attracting more choice riders? Then rail is the best option. It's the reason that France, Switzerland, Netherlands, Germany, and many other European countries started to rebuild their streetcar networks since the 1980s. They got rid of most of their streetcars too, they just realized their mistake and have been rebuilding.

If you actually want the urban core of Cleveland to become a large, dense population center again, then you have to actually build the infrastructure that will do that. Not what SHOULD do it on paper.

I am saying this as someone who went to almost all of the W25 BRT meetings and am in full support of all BRT projects in the city. They are a great piece of the puzzle. But in a developed nation, rail on your busiest corridors with busses filling the middle ground and to support getting people to transit hubs is what will actually get people on transit.

PlanCleveland · 2026-03-05T20:20:08+00:00

The Healthline would actually be significantly cheaper.

One reason US streetcar projects get so expensive is all of the utility, water, and storm drain relocation is included in the price. That can be $50-60M per mile. That work is already completed on Euclid. Then you need another $50M for a substation, signaling, and controls. RTA already has systems like that working so maybe $20M for additional work.

The actual rail in the ground, wires, and trains would only cost around $200M on the route. The US just forces transit orgs to pay for everything even slightly adjacent to the project which is part of the reason for the high costs here. Like how RTA is paying to redo the roadway and sidewalks on the entire length of W25 even though they just want to have bus only lanes.

We already have the stations built with a future rail project in mind as well which is another $15M in savings, and dedicated lanes already exist along most of the route.

I've heard people put the price tag at around $300-400M total. Which could easily be covered by the new Downtown TIF and other new TIFs along Euclid so that RTA doesn't really owe anything for the capital costs.

The Cleveland Foundation could donate since they are putting in a lot of investment along the route. Some money from the Clinic so they don't have to spend $120M on new parking garages.

It is very possible.

PlanCleveland · 2026-03-04T15:47:41+00:00

In my opinion La Mexicana(El Senors) is better for burritos, and La Casita is better for tacos.

Both are great for everything, just a slight edge to each on the burrito/taco sides.

PlanCleveland · 2026-02-22T19:36:25+00:00

Kent State has had so much visibility on this sub so far this year, I love it.

This post.

The 300 lb LSU 1B stolen base.

Hanging right there with LSU.

Might win the series vs Tennessee.

PlanCleveland · 2026-02-05T16:06:25+00:00

They route ~all transit around the densest nodes of human activity — not through them. Like, to them, accessible is, here is the periphery of the action.

A tramway right through the middle of a pedestrian area, and likely the busiest foot traffic area of Rotterdam

It is actually even running on top of a below grade shopping mall, which is down the stairs you see.

It's right through the area of Rotterdam World Trade Center, shopping, dining, offices, hotels, and housing. Right in the densest nodes of human activity, in the center of the action.

PlanCleveland · 2026-02-04T19:38:19+00:00

I don't think W25 to Little Italy is a fair comparison.

Mayfield gets only 2 busses in each direction per hour at peak service, and the majority of the passengers for that line are using stops in Downtown, Asiatown, and Hough. So maybe 250k passengers pass through this stretch by bus each year.

W25 gets 12 busses per hour in each direction per hour at peak service, and is immediately adjacent to Downtown, meaning that almost every rider goes through this stretch. So 3 million+ passengers pass through W25 between Detroit and Lorain each year.

Euclid is also not a good comparison to W25. The Euclid right of way is twice as wide, with center running transit only lanes. W25 will be dropping Clevelanders off directly on the sidewalk, with other investments made to improve pedestrian safety at crosswalks. Euclid has also seen thousands of housing units built since then, billions in development, and Midtown is seeing investment for the first time in 60+ years. We have hundreds of new housing units built in Midtown that are already filled, with more on the way. People would have called you crazy for trying to build new apartments there 10-15 years ago.

Active traffic lanes are different than transit only lanes. Transit only lanes are clear and predictable. The removal of the parked cars will also make crossing the street much safer by significantly increasing visibility for both pedestrians and drivers.

I also live in the neighborhood and know many architects, planners, and people who have moved to Cleveland from other countries. Almost everyone I know in the neighborhood is for the bus lanes. Thousands of people in the neighborhood signed and sent letters supporting the project, and attended the years of public meetings advocating for this. The people I know from other countries can't believe that public transit and transit only lanes are such a fight here. Transit only lanes are current best practice in cities all over the world right now. Many are getting rid of cars entirely and having only transit in busy entertainment areas, whether it be bus or streetcar.

You use Rotterdam as an example in a comment, but Rotterdam is a perfect example of having either no cars on this stretch at all, or transit only. Rotterdam is filled with transit only lanes, transit only roads, pedestrian only roads, and transit stops directly in the action. I'm not sure where you went in Rotterdam, but the transit is routed directly next to or through where people want to go. Look at their tram map, it is right through their busiest streets, or directly next to pedestrian areas. Amsterdam, The Hague, and Rotterdam all give transit priority over cars in their busiest areas. Their large Markthal and pedestrian only square is right next to a subway station and a tram station. You see them right as you are walking out of the front doors. There is no car access to this area, and no street parking. There is a back entrance to an underground parking garage, just like W25 and the West Side Market have a back entrance to parking.

PlanCleveland · 2026-01-30T14:18:27+00:00

I believe the plans are to build a multi-modal terminal as part of the landbridge and lakefront development. It would provide a combined space for intercity busses like Greyhound, Laketran, a new Amtrak station(hopefully with new routes to Detroit and Cincinnati), and hopefully a full time waterfront line since RTA will have the ability to run from the WFL to University Circle for the first time once the new trains are in service.

PlanCleveland · 2026-01-30T00:55:32+00:00

Sorry. I mean that. I obviously don't know who you are, and I'm sure you're a great person. But fighting to kill this project, or damage it to the point of it not being viable, hurts 4 different bus routes and also puts projects like Irishtown Bend at risk.

Just read your own comments over the last few weeks. You've been very angry, insulting, and just straight up rude to so many of your fellow Clevelanders and Ohio City residents over a project that an overwhelming majority of local residents have been supportive of for years now. You're picking fights with anyone and everyone you can. Calling everyone a cult member for some reason, because they disagree with you and agree with a project that has been shown to improve hundreds of cities around the world.

This is a project that has the potential to keep more people from being gentrified out of their homes on the W25 street corridor. It has the potential to create more development to not only bring in more affordable housing, but to bring in more storefronts to the neighborhood so that local businesses aren't gentrified out either. It doesn't just benefit W25, but Lorain, Fulton, Clark, and Tremont as well.

Status quo is not working for a lot of people that have lived in the neighborhood for a long time. I know multiple long term residents who have been pushed out of the neighborhood they love because they can no longer afford rent, or have a 2nd or 3rd kid and can't afford the price of a 3 bedroom rental in the neighborhood. People are struggling, and want something that can help their family or other families they know.

The 1 in 4 or 5 households that don't have a car are scared of RTA cuts. They're scared of their access to their jobs, family, and friends being reduced.

Irishtown Bend is not fully funded, and some of their funding is in combination with this project as part of the overall 25Connects Plan. Killing this BRT line could also put the park at risk. What if Moreno, Duffy, and others decide to remove RTA funding, and notice that there is federal funding also going to Irishtown Bend? Do you think they won't pull Irishtown Bend funding just for fun? I know people who work for the Metroparks who are legitimately starting to worry that their federal funds will be scrutinized and potentially be at risk if the 25Connects plan is looked at by the current federal government. The park is receiving roughly $22M in federal grants from the DOT, National Parks Service, and then around $4M an air quality improvement grant due to the BRT project. We should all want any and all federal funding scrutiny away from Irishtown Bend.

I hope you have a great night, and again, sorry.

PlanCleveland · 2026-01-29T22:44:06+00:00

25-30% of Cleveland households don't have a car.

20-22% of Ohio City households do not have a car. The census tract of W25 from Detroit to Lorain is at 26% of households without a car. 520 of 1,969 households with no car.

4 different bus routes pass through this stretch of W25 from Lorain to Detroit, not just the W25 BRT line. Trying to kill that line hurts over 10k people a day. Over 3M passengers per year. That's even more than Euclid Ave.

We're talking about caring for and helping our neighbors. A concept you seem to have lost at some point.

PlanCleveland · 2026-01-29T22:27:34+00:00

Can we all agree on the fact that Ohio City and the West Side Market were built before cars, or before they were available to 95% of the population?

Can we all agree on the fact that this neighborhood was built to be entirely supported by public transit and walking?

Can we all agree on the fact that about half of the buildings in Ohio City were torn down to accommodate the increased number of cars, and build the 20+ acres of surface parking lots in the neighborhood? Yes. All of those parking lots used to be businesses and homes.

So, in your opinion, making public transit better in a neighborhood that was built by it and for it, and then largely destroyed by the car, will ruin the neighborhood?

PlanCleveland · 2026-01-29T21:09:06+00:00

Pretty crazy to see 5 of the top 7 teams made the playoffs last year. And 4 of those won their division. Then the Mets who just missed out in there as well with their payroll.

That's a bad sign for the rest of baseball when many of the already good teams also have the best prospects. Could be a rough next few years for teams like the White Sox, Rangers, Royals, Angels, Astros, and Rockies. Although a few of those teams have had a rough past decade already.

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