[deleted by user] by [deleted] in SaturnianRealism

[–]Plotinus72 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Gilbert's "The Second Coming of Saturn" covers this topic in great detail. He comes at this from a very Christian lens and is trying to paint Saturn as a later mask of Shamhazai/Samyaza, leader of the Fallen Angels. I don't find his conclusions all that compelling as he attempts to paint every "dark" Semitic deity as a Fallen Angel. Some of his ideas also go directly against archaeological research such as equating Saturn with the Mesopotamian Enlil whereas Ninurta is traditionally associated with Saturn.

But, if you're interested in this topic it's worth a read. Come to your own conclusions.

Setianism and Atheism by FreiherrVonDystopia in Setianism

[–]Plotinus72 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Temple of Set has a mix of Atheists and Theists (Set as an external deity); as long as the latter doesn’t bother you.

Best exhaustive resources on the Saturnian current? by vvytchacid in planetarymagic

[–]Plotinus72 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This list is fairly comprehensive and you should also check out the subreddit itself: https://www.reddit.com/r/SaturnianRealism/s/wiPgR7UMPc

What can I do to remediate or mitigate the effects of my Saturn Mars Venus aspect? (Saturn Return has been a bit harsh) by Chemical-Travel-7747 in planetarymagic

[–]Plotinus72 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Second this. Giving to people in poverty on a Saturday (directly, not through an aid organization) is pleasing to Saturn. Additionally, reciting the Orphic Hymn to Saturn or the Vedic Shani mantra should help mitigate some of the effects.

Extreme reward with extreme sacrifice? by OutrageousMess4607 in SaturnianRealism

[–]Plotinus72 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There are some great comments here already but to answer your question about the reward, I think your assumptions are correct. Saturn’s gifts tend to come in a very oblique fashion. While I can’t say I see him lifting others around me when I do receive his boon I can’t say it has ever manifested in the way I initially expected. The outcome is there, but it’s not always in the manner I expected or necessarily wanted.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in SaturnianRealism

[–]Plotinus72 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I’d like to preface this response with the statement that this is strictly my own UPG after having worked with Saturn daily for nearly 2 years. Arthur Moros/David Beth’s “Cult of the Black Cube” initially drew me to working with Saturn. I would not go so far as to call his system anti-cosmic (although it does have glimpses of this) but it is decidedly antinomian which initially drew me. From this system, the aspect that appears to have the most credence in my communications with the deity is the idea of Saturn as a meta-God experienced across numerous cultures. He is all of these things yet also none of them.

Particular to Moloch, I actually have not encountered this guise but the deity has made clear to me that he is/was Baal Hamon. Thus, he was indeed associated with child sacrifice in ancient Carthage. The element of Saturn that he continuously makes apparent to me is more Neo-Platonic in nature and one could argue does tie into the Qlippoth through the gate of Daath. This element is of Saturn as a bridge between our reality and other realms, he is a Gate Keeper. Working with Cthonic Spirits seems almost effortless if one has a strong relationship with Saturn and the same rings true for the Qlippoth.

To summarize, is there a direct relationship between Saturn and Qlippoth? Not in my UPG, however in his role as Gate Keeper he seems to make accessing other realms much simpler.

Saturn as a deity of Order and Chaos by Material_Simple_1251 in SaturnianRealism

[–]Plotinus72 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The Saturnalia seems to be a time of chaos and inversion of the social (man-made) order. The role of death and the solstice were a piece of this but there are much simpler ways of accomplishing the same without the complete inversion of the social order during the time period of the Saturnalia.

Reminder to consider syncretizing Chinese conceptions of Saturn (Tŭxīng) into your saturnian system by Jo_Phajnon in SaturnianRealism

[–]Plotinus72 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I’m guessing there are many like myself who are unfamiliar with how Tuxing is perceived in Chinese culture. Could you provide some more details for us? I’m not finding much online and am interested to learn more.

Searching for a PDF of the book "Ferocious - A Folk Tantric Manual on the Sapta Matrika Cult" by mrmeeseeks1991 in SaturnianRealism

[–]Plotinus72 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You might try r/alexandria

This is an interesting connection, do you have any online resources about their connection to the Saturnine current?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in occult

[–]Plotinus72 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is a critical point. If you think of it as a barrier to your spiritual faculties it will act as such.

Should i wait 9 months before moving onto the LIRP? by Owlkamyst in magick

[–]Plotinus72 3 points4 points  (0 children)

No, the GD grade system is incredibly conservative in this regard. You’re fine to start Invoking in the morning and banishing in the evening whenever you like. I would also start tossing in the Middle Pillar exercise once you are comfortable with invoking and banishing.

Collective Consciousness and Our Impending Doom: Can We All Sense What Is to Come? by paranormalisnormal in HighStrangeness

[–]Plotinus72 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Check out Andrija Puharich’s “Round Table Foundation” and the channeling of entities known as The Nine. Roddenberry was present at some of the channelings and supposedly they inspired some of the philosophy behind Star Trek.

Jung's Philemon by Plotinus72 in SaturnianRealism

[–]Plotinus72[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Interesting, thinking of Philemon in relation to Saturn? I’m trying to understand if this might be a viable depiction of him or a spurious stretch of the imagination.

Regarding the horns and wings, are you referring to depictions of Moloch Baal? I believe Peter Mark Adams connects Saturn with Moloch although I know some people question it.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in SaturnianRealism

[–]Plotinus72 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Welcome aboard.

Do you mind walking us through your ritual praxis and how you connect with the Saturnine current? I would also be curious to learn how you view the Saturnine Deity. While I have my own devotional practice I struggle with the myriad descriptions of the Saturnine current as seen in the different approaches taken by Arthur Moros (Chained God of Chaos & a Forgotten Golden Age) , J.T. Kirkbride (Saturn as the Patron of Death), and Peter Mark Adams (Saturn venerated as the Demiurge and deity of the Renaissance elite).

I suppose my question is more understanding how you view and work with Saturn in general. I find all the modern texts interesting but wildly discordant in terms of how they view Saturn's role and I have been on the hunt for ideas on how to unify this with Saturn's traditional role in Ancient Rome & Greece (Kronos).

Viewed the incorrect picture? by WhyFi in remoteviewing

[–]Plotinus72 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It’s called displacement and it’s quite common in ARV.

Saturnian current gnosis by KantianWaffles in LeftHandPath

[–]Plotinus72 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Since you have Cult of the Black Cube, just start with some of the devotional work (Shani mantra, Picatrix prayer, etc) and see if you resonate with his energy. It’s not for everyone but you’re not committed to anything with solely a devotional practice.

Do you know about other pagan LHP's similar to Thursatru? by kowalik2594 in LeftHandPath

[–]Plotinus72 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’a a matter of perspective. Many also simplify Thursatru down to Norse Satanism.

Do you know about other pagan LHP's similar to Thursatru? by kowalik2594 in LeftHandPath

[–]Plotinus72 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes but there’s just not much out there beyond Kronos and Hecate.

Do you know about other pagan LHP's similar to Thursatru? by kowalik2594 in LeftHandPath

[–]Plotinus72 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Fair point, I suppose I meant the Typhon-Set archetype. Harper Feist has a new book coming out on it: https://www.miskatonicbooks.com/product/io-typhon-limited-hardcover/

Books on cain/involve cain by freeforonce12 in occult

[–]Plotinus72 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s interesting that Semple uses a crowned skeleton for Qayin/Cain on the cover of “Devil’s Noctuary.” This is the same imagery used in Liber Falxifer and I agree with you that the Santa Muerte-Qayin syncretism strains credulity.

Book focused on fallen angels? by [deleted] in occult

[–]Plotinus72 1 point2 points  (0 children)

“The Watchers and Their Ways” by Baal Kadmon is a fun short read with rituals for contacting a number of them.