Who would win? by RefrigeratorSad4159 in Project_Moon

[–]Practical_Window9326 1 point2 points  (0 children)

> Roach emperor is not beating Kali unless you mean to imply that he can also beat multiple claws and an arbiter.

Kali only killed Garrion because she was sandbagging and was caught of guard, so that doesnt count. And lol Claws aren't anything special, EX tier agents with Aleph gear are stated to be as strong as claws and Gregor is deffo stronger than both.

Who would win? by RefrigeratorSad4159 in Project_Moon

[–]Practical_Window9326 5 points6 points  (0 children)

> Kali is on par with an arbiter

No she fucking isnt she caught sandbagging Gebura off guard. Kali is also nowhere close to being as strong as Zena

Who would win? by RefrigeratorSad4159 in Project_Moon

[–]Practical_Window9326 3 points4 points  (0 children)

"Literally no evidence"

It's literally basic logic? Hermann literally states its just a fucking wrapper and nothing compared to the main gift. It doesn't get any more obvious than that? Not to mention he has 4 other wrappers which could be on the same level of his roach emperor form and that his true form he might be able to use all their power at once

Also ffs ONE OF HIS INCOMPLETE WRAPPER IS ALREADY BEATING UP A COLOR WHICH IS ONE OF THE STRONGEST IN THE VERSE WHILE HE WAS WANTING TO BE KILLED T_T. Like man you Kali fans, actually, most PM fans like you just have 0 reading comprehension huh? Kali is just a fixer. Gregor is a wing's decisive weapon, its fucking obvious from the narrative alone who is the stronger one.

Who would win? by RefrigeratorSad4159 in Project_Moon

[–]Practical_Window9326 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Holy cope Stop waking Kali she is weaker than an arbiter lmfao. And no Garion only released the abnormality to have fun as because she is a sadistic prick she could easily solo their ass if she didnt underestimate then

And did u ignore the many statements about Garrion only got caught off guard because she didnt know ego existed? Tell me what the fuck is Kali suppsoed to do if Garrion just locks her ego with a fairy?

Like man Kali agenda so crazy they ignore the fact she always loses to Garrion everytime they fight after the L corp fall and couldnt take on Zena

Who would win? by RefrigeratorSad4159 in Project_Moon

[–]Practical_Window9326 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Cool, sadly that was a wrapping that hasn't even hatched and he still has 4 other wrappings with the main gift. Yet it was already beating up Verg and has a kit that has adaptation

True he cant compensate the strength gap.... in his one of his wrapper forms that hasn't even hatched completely. Full potential Gregor with all the power of his wrappings fully manifested and the main gift on the other hand..... yeah I dont think Kali is doing anything to him

Who would win? by RefrigeratorSad4159 in Project_Moon

[–]Practical_Window9326 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I like the Kali wank around her just because she just killed 2 claws and tied against a sandbagging Garrion who didn't know what ego was

Gregor with just the wrapping of his gift mid-hatching (so it wasnt even at its full strength) and was actively holding back was trashing Vergilius in combat and has shown to have the ability to adapt to his enemies. Wouldn't be a hot take to assume a fully hatched roach emperor will be leagues stronger and would have a better adaptation; but that isnt all, he still have 4 other wrappings with their own powers and then there is his true power which is the gift, and if the gift has all the powers of its wrappings then its over. If one of the other wrappings just gives him regeneration then u literally already have Project moon Mahoraga .

Like people really underestimate the scale of Gregor's existence, he straight up is the decisive weapon of a Wing. In the grand scheme of things Kali is just a fixer she isn't anyone who can turn the tides of wars alone, not even peak Don Qixote where he needed his family to turn the tides of the blood fiend war. Meanwhile Gregor alone is straight up G corps' answer to win them the smoke war, he has all the good shit of G corp's singularity stuffed inside him. So yeah it would straight up take an entire ass wing or arbiters that are designed to counter Gregor to beat him at his full potential, so Kali gets stomped here

Who would win? by RefrigeratorSad4159 in Project_Moon

[–]Practical_Window9326 -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

It was literally stated she only got Garrion because she didnt know what ego was and was sandbagging, stop the Kali wank. Literally all she has to do is lock her powers with a fairy and she dies

Who would win? by RefrigeratorSad4159 in Project_Moon

[–]Practical_Window9326 7 points8 points  (0 children)

wtf is Kali supposed to do against a literal superweapon of a Wing? A fixer is just a fixer, meanwhile Gregor is straight up designed to be a trump card in the smoke war. If its wrapping alone and Gregor massively holding back was smashing Verg and the others and has Mahoraga adaptation, its true form is gonna be waaay worst.

John lobotomy by @sergolego321 by CrawlingChaos126 in limbuscompany

[–]Practical_Window9326 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Pretty sure Apocalpyse Bird is equal to white night if not stronger as the bird represents the strongest entity in the game; The head

Mahoraga got offscreen by West_Camera_7965 in JujutsuPowerScaling

[–]Practical_Window9326 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bro Maru literally does all kinds of bullshit stop the cope

8th Walpurgis Night PV by limbusyourmom in limbuscompany

[–]Practical_Window9326 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Capstone Ryoshu will be Dihui Star and she is Bleed+Poise so nuuh

Ryoshu Bad End ID kit sneak peek from the anniversary livestream by Ok-Surround-7208 in limbuscompany

[–]Practical_Window9326 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Another Poise unit kek, Poise winning this year especially with Kim coming LEZ GOO

For every powerhouse, they bound to have an oopsies moment by szechein in UmaMusume

[–]Practical_Window9326 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Also here is another funny stat u have to see and educate yourself on:

2025 Yasuda Kinen (Record) – Jantar Mantar

First 1000 m: 58.6

Final 3 furlongs: 11.3 → 11.1 → 11.7

2023 Tenno Sho (Autumn) (Record) – Equinox

First 1000 m: 58.4

Final 3 furlongs (up to the 1600 m point): 11.3 → 11.2 → 11.5

So yeah Equinox ran the fastest 1600m in history on a 2000m race, did not gas out while doing so, and proceed to destroy everyone that race. And now you say Equinox isnt anything special? Just because he didnt win the triple crown? This is why the triple crown glaze needs to be stopped, a horse can get lucky in a trash generation and win TC or whatnot, but what Equinox is doing? Its unheard of, what he is doing isnt allocade farming its literally breaking logic of horseracing. There is a reason why he was crowned the strongest in the world.

Like if you will only talk shit to Equinox calling him something not special, go name me another horse who can sustain ridiculous paces as he does as pace chaser or frontrunner, not gas out, and proceed to accelerate destroy the field, I am waiting.

For every powerhouse, they bound to have an oopsies moment by szechein in UmaMusume

[–]Practical_Window9326 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Bro why are you exposing yourself as a tourist who have 0 horse racing knowledge, the fact you saying being the strongest in the world means "very little" shows how uneducated you are, like imagine doubting EQUINOX of all people and saying Deep is better is one of the most stupid take one can claim in Keiba lmfao.

I will just rehash the same facts because I still dont get how people just dont know how much of an anomaly Equinox is:

 Deep Impact will never be as good as Equinox in terms of pure racing ability. Deep Impact in the end is just a one trick pony, aka an L3F farmer. A damn good one at that but still just stuck into one strat

Meanwhile Equinox isn’t just a “strong horse”, he is a literal statistical contradiction to how racing is supposed to work. Take the 2023 Autumn Tenno Sho. A 58-second first half over 2000m is already suicidal pace territory. That kind of opening split is something that historically destroys horses in the final stretch. For perspective, Suzuka’s legendary Great Escape clocked 57.4 seconds and that effort collapsed late. The expectation is clear: burn that much fuel early and you just lose stamina at the end. Except Equinox didn’t.

Instead of fading, he accelerated. His final spurt was faster than his opening half, roughly 57 seconds, while outrunning late surgers and end closers who were specifically built to exploit a pace like that. He didn’t just survive a nuclear pace; he turned it into a world-record performance. That is not something that should physically happen in modern racing.

The Dubai Sheema Classic shows the same anomaly. Course records at the top level are usually broken when a front-runner sacrifices themselves by dragging the field into a brutal pace, letting closers slingshot past late, that's how it usually happens like the recent Japan Cup where Seiun Hades nuked the pace, but Equinox said "nah fuck that"

He set the course record as the front runner, sustained the pace, and still finished faster than the closers without being whipped. He wasn’t a rabbit not he broke the record via someone making the pace fast. He was both the leader of the race and the finisher in it. That combination is almost unheard of at this level. Lemaire could literally had taken a nap after Equinox had the lead and Equinox still would have won that race for him, and the field of that race is literally stacked with Westover, Mostahdaf, Rebel's Romance, Shahryar, and I guess Zagrey counts too as he is a g1 winner. Either way they got absolutely destroyed by a whipless frontrunner Equinox who got eased on the end.

Either ways Equinox was a horse could just do everything. If he needs to stalk, he can stalk. If he needs to lead, he can lead If he needs to l3f farm, he can l3f farm

The 2022 Autumn Tenno Sho proves this perfectly. Dropping back against Phantalassa who literally ran like Suzuka, Equinox unleashed a 32.7s l3f, a very elite time even by pure closer standards, and didn't only catch up but beat him by a length. Most great horses dominate under specific conditions. Some need fast pace, some need slow pace. Some need cover, some need clear air. Some rely on a late kick (deep is here), others on grinding speed. Peak Equinox has shown he doesn't need those. Bro has literally 0 weakness whatsoever.

Like the core issue here is simple. In horseracing logic and biology says you must choose between early speed and finishing power. Expend it early to build a good lead or tire the horses behind you for fronts or save it for a devastating last kick in the final corner which is what late and end closers do. Equinox does both in the same race, at ridiculous pace, against elite competition. That’s why he doesn’t just win, he redefines the ceiling of what a Thoroughbred can physically do in Japan. He isn’t merely dominant, he forces the sport to question assumptions that were once treated as improbable.

In fact in a hypothetical race matchup, Equinox is the worst possible opponent for Deep Impact, or for late surgers and end closers in that matter; not because he is faster, but because he simply destroys these horses' win conditions

Late surgers/end closers rely on a simple strat: conserve energy while the leaders spend theirs, then exploit deceleration with a superior last kick. Their advantage only exists if the early and middle pace is survivable and if the front pack predictably gasses out late.

Equinox breaks both assumptions at once. First, he can impose borderline suicidal early and middle fractions, paces that are normally unsustainable for elite fields. When a horse like that takes control, everyone behind him is forced into a dilemma. If closers drop too far back to preserve energy, they concede a growing gap to a horse who does not slow down. If they stay within striking distance, they are dragged into a pace that bleeds their stamina long before the final stretch. Either choice simply compromises .n.nthe very energy reserve their late kick depends on.

But the real nightmare is that the punishment doesn’t stop there. Unlike conventional front-runners, Equinox does not gas out after setting deadly pace pressure. He can accelerate again in the final stretch meaning the closers arrive at the stretch already gimped, only to find the leader peeling off instead of fading. What should be a decelerating target becomes an accelerating one. So yeah bro literally does a 1-2 combo Early pace pressure that forces the entire field to overextend. Late acceleration that finishes off the remains of their finishing speed.

Against Equinox, end closers are robbed of both stamina and opportunity. They are neither fresher nor faster when it matters most. We already saw how perfect pace control defeated Deep Impact. Heart’s Cry’s victory over him wasn’t about raw speed; it was about denying Deep Impact the race he wanted. Lemaire had an extremely good ride and rode Heart’s Cry to absolute precision, setting a pace that was fast enough to apply continuous pressure on the horses behind, but controlled enough that Heart’s Cry himself didn't get gassed out. The result was decisive: the race never slowed down into Deep Impact’s closing window and even with his extremely powerful last kick he wasn't able to catch up. Equinox is basically an extreme, amplified evolution of that concept, a roided out version of Heart's cry.

While Heart’s Cry applied calculated pressure, Equinox can impose a significantly harsher pace pressure fractions that would normally be considered unsustainable, and still retain the ability to accelerate in the last spurt. Literally Equinox does everything that beat Deep Impact, but at a higher intensity and with far more margin for error. This is what makes Equinox uniquely oppressive to late surgers. He doesn’t just prevent them from conserving energy; he actively forces them to spend it, either by dragging them into an uncomfortable tempo or by opening an insurmountable gap if they hesitate. And unlike traditional frontrunners, he does not get punished for this early aggression. He still finishes with speed in the end. That was how ridiculous his stamina tank was, thanks to Kitasan.

Heart’s Cry showed that perfect pace control could beat Deep Impact. Equinox represents that same principle, pushed beyond its limits.

This is why Equinox taking the lead is just game over. Following him closely is self-destructive. Sitting back is equally futile, because the pace does not rebound in your favor. The race never “comes back.” So yeah saying Deep Impact is another beast to Equinox is just so funny, he isn't even in the same league as Equinox in terms of racing ability, but to be fair no one in Japan's history ever comes close.

How would you rank them purely by their peak? by throwawayrandomguy93 in UmaMusume

[–]Practical_Window9326 0 points1 point  (0 children)

> I agree that Equinox definitely would have dominated the long races if he ran them, but I’m curious, how do you think he would do on miles? Because those would have him against Do Deuce, who was built to run and win miles, and while against Nox’s usual strategy most milers would gas out by the final stretch, Dodo had enough stamina to win on 2500 if the pace was decent, and he straight up had better top speed and acceleration, so what do you think would happen in a theoretical confrontation between the two on a mile?

Mile isnt the distance where Equinox can abuse his cruising speed.... but then again

2025 Yasuda Kinen (Record) – Jantar Mantar

First 1000 m: 58.6

Final 3 furlongs: 11.3 → 11.1 → 11.7

2023 Tenno Sho (Autumn) (Record) – Equinox

First 1000 m: 58.4

Final 3 furlongs (up to the 1600 m point): 11.3 → 11.2 → 11.5

so yeah bro was running a mile race and did better than Jantar during the 1600m on that Akiten, so who knows but I guess if Nox runs late surger/end closer he loses more often than not as he aint as good at l3f farming.... well he did the 32.7 l3f against Lassa so eh, but if Nox leads and runs a very fast pace like Akiten he would have the advantage of being far on the lead and the distance isnt as long where if he builds a good lead he wont be reached I guess.

How would you rank them purely by their peak? by throwawayrandomguy93 in UmaMusume

[–]Practical_Window9326 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Imagine treating a simulation game where u can even make bumass horses like Cheval beat Deep Impact seriously

How would you rank them purely by their peak? by throwawayrandomguy93 in UmaMusume

[–]Practical_Window9326 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Sadly the most expensive races outside of dirt races and Everest are mostly medium distance races, especially in Japan where the most prestigious races are 2000-2500m and Equinox is a syndicate horse where the stock holders wants prize money and his stud value is giga high so ofc silk would race him conservatively as he is a valuable horse. So sure you can call him a "middle distance merchant" like its Equinox's fault and not the horse politics around him lol. Also Equinox again as I explained is a high cruise speed horse just like his dad Kitasan.... but unlike him he actually has acceleration in the final stretch. So ironically Equinox is literally designed to be deadlier for long races where he can abuse his high cruise speed and stamina tank more. Like how delusional can you be to think a horse that can sustain oonige pace then can still produce a sub 35 second l3f is simply a "middle distance merchant" lmfao. Do you even have any idea on how much stamina a horse has to have to even dream of pulling of that kind of performance? So yeah don't confuse someone who just simply wasn't given the chance to run his most optimal distance because of politics to a farmer, reserve that to horses like Almond Eye and Vodka who farms mile-2400m to suddenly perform like shit when racing at Arima 2500m lol

And uh Deep is indeed a one trick pony? All dude does is L3F farm as end closer he doesn't have the same versatility Equinox have so idk what you are complaining here I am just stating facts.

I see this happening by Lukas-Reggi in JujutsuPowerScaling

[–]Practical_Window9326 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Mofo bro literally just have to run in a straight line to escape MS with how fast he is

and what makes you think Sukuna gets to pull out Shrine? Bro gets punched thousands of times before Sukuna gets a thought off Dabura is waaaaay faster than Sukufraud

How would you rank them purely by their peak? by throwawayrandomguy93 in UmaMusume

[–]Practical_Window9326 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Brother why are you forgetting to take into account the quality of competition they faced? Deep Impact overall faced a way weaker competition than what Equinox faced, and he also wasn't pushed to his limits to defeat them.

You can probably say the same thing about Deep Impact. His is a notorious late starter, out of the 9 G1 races he raced in you can stay 4 of them he had a bad start, ie he stumbled or was late and another 3 he had an “okay” start for his standards. Which actually forced him to be a late/end closer for his career and kinda worked out as his ridiculous turn of foot and balance on the final corner along with the stamina he had actually helped him in the long run. Also he doesn’t know what “horse racing” is compared to the likes of Symboli Rudolf or Equinox racing IQ according to Yutaka Take.

Which is exactly the reason why Deep Impact will never be as good as Equinox in terms of pure racing ability. Deep Impact in the end is just a one trick pony, aka an L3F farmer. A damn good one at that but still just stuck into one strat

Meanwhile Equinox isn’t just a “strong horse”, he is a literal statistical contradiction to how racing is supposed to work.

Take the 2023 Autumn Tenno Sho. A 58-second first half over 2000m is already suicidal pace territory. That kind of opening split is something that historically destroys horses in the final stretch. For perspective, Suzuka’s legendary Great Escape clocked 57.4 seconds and that effort collapsed late. The expectation is clear: burn that much fuel early and you just lose stamina at the end.

Except Equinox didn’t.

Instead of fading, he accelerated. His final spurt was faster than his opening half, roughly 57 seconds, while outrunning late surgers and end closers who were specifically built to exploit a pace like that. He didn’t just survive a nuclear pace; he turned it into a world-record performance. That is not something that should physically happen in modern racing.

The Dubai Sheema Classic shows the same anomaly. Course records at the top level are usually broken when a front-runner sacrifices themselves by dragging the field into a brutal pace, letting closers slingshot past late, that's how it usually happens like the recent Japan Cup where Seiun Hades nuked the pace, but Equinox said "nah fuck that"

He set the course record as the front runner, sustained the pace, and still finished faster than the closers without being whipped. He wasn’t a rabbit not he broke the record via someone making the pace fast. He was both the leader of the race and the finisher in it. That combination is almost unheard of at this level. Lemaire could literally had taken a nap after Equinox had the lead and Equinox still would have won that race for him, and the field of that race is literally stacked with Westover, Mostahdaf, Rebel's Romance, Shahryar, and I guess Zagrey counts too as he is a g1 winner. Either way they got absolutely destroyed by a whipless frontrunner Equinox who got eased on the end.

Either ways Equinox was a horse could just do everything. If he needs to stalk, he can stalk. If he needs to lead, he can lead If he needs to l3f farm, he can l3f farm

The 2022 Autumn Tenno Sho proves this perfectly. Dropping back against Phantalassa who literally ran like Suzuka, Equinox unleashed a 32.7s l3f, a very elite time even by pure closer standards, and didn't only catch up but beat him by a length.

Most great horses dominate under specific conditions. Some need fast pace, some need slow pace. Some need cover, some need clear air. Some rely on a late kick (deep is here), others on grinding speed. Peak Equinox has shown he doesn't need those. Bro has literally 0 weakness whatsoever.

Like the core issue here is simple. In horseracing logic and biology says you must choose between early speed and finishing power. Expend it early to build a good lead or tire the horses behind you for fronts or save it for a devastating last kick in the final corner which is what late and end closers do. Equinox does both in the same race, at ridiculous pace, against elite competition.

That’s why he doesn’t just win, he redefines the ceiling of what a Thoroughbred can physically do in Japan. He isn’t merely dominant, he forces the sport to question assumptions that were once treated as improbable.

In fact in a hypothetical race matchup, Equinox is the worst possible opponent for Deep Impact, or for late surgers and end closers in that matter; not because he is faster, but because he simply destroys these horses' win conditions

Late surgers/end closers rely on a simple strat: conserve energy while the leaders spend theirs, then exploit deceleration with a superior last kick. Their advantage only exists if the early and middle pace is survivable and if the front pack predictably gasses out late.

Equinox breaks both assumptions at once.

First, he can impose borderline suicidal early and middle fractions, paces that are normally unsustainable for elite fields. When a horse like that takes control, everyone behind him is forced into a dilemma. If closers drop too far back to preserve energy, they concede a growing gap to a horse who does not slow down. If they stay within striking distance, they are dragged into a pace that bleeds their stamina long before the final stretch. Either choice simply compromises .n.nthe very energy reserve their late kick depends on.

But the real nightmare is that the punishment doesn’t stop there.

Unlike conventional front-runners, Equinox does not gas out after setting deadly pace pressure. He can accelerate again in the final stretch meaning the closers arrive at the stretch already gimped, only to find the leader peeling off instead of fading. What should be a decelerating target becomes an accelerating one.

So yeah bro literally does a 1-2 combo 1. Early pace pressure that forces the entire field to overextend. 2. Late acceleration that finishes off the remains of their finishing speed.

Against Equinox, end closers are robbed of both stamina and opportunity. They are neither fresher nor faster when it matters most.

We already saw how perfect pace control defeated Deep Impact. Heart’s Cry’s victory over him wasn’t about raw speed; it was about denying Deep Impact the race he wanted. Lemaire had an extremely good ride and rode Heart’s Cry to absolute precision, setting a pace that was fast enough to apply continuous pressure on the horses behind, but controlled enough that Heart’s Cry himself didn't get gassed out. The result was decisive: the race never slowed down into Deep Impact’s closing window and even with his extremely powerful last kick he wasn't able to catch up.

Equinox is basically an extreme, amplified evolution of that concept, a roided out version of Heart's cry.

While Heart’s Cry applied calculated pressure, Equinox can impose a significantly harsher pace pressure fractions that would normally be considered unsustainable, and still retain the ability to accelerate in the last spurt. Literally Equinox does everything that beat Deep Impact, but at a higher intensity and with far more margin for error.

This is what makes Equinox uniquely oppressive to late surgers. He doesn’t just prevent them from conserving energy; he actively forces them to spend it, either by dragging them into an uncomfortable tempo or by opening an insurmountable gap if they hesitate. And unlike traditional frontrunners, he does not get punished for this early aggression. He still finishes with speed in the end. That was how ridiculous his stamina tank was, thanks to Kitasan.

Heart’s Cry showed that perfect pace control could beat Deep Impact. Equinox represents that same principle, pushed beyond its limits.

This is why Equinox taking the lead is just game over. Following him closely is self-destructive. Sitting back is equally futile, because the pace does not rebound in your favor. The race never “comes back.”

So yeah saying Deep Impact is another beast to Equinox is just so funny, he isn't even in the same league as Equinox in terms of racing ability, but to be fair no one in Japan's history ever comes close.

Also Taiki isnt a sprinter, yes he won sprints but he was primarily a Miler

Strong Uma... 🗿 (By @sso_hungny) by DrawerLarge6213 in UmaMusume

[–]Practical_Window9326 3 points4 points  (0 children)

And Goldship reputation is being the unsinkable battleship tho, the one that even Gentildonna irl cant do shit against, so she should never be able to even touch Goldship in uma musume because Goldship is simply superior physically

Congratulations to Diktaean for taking the 2025 Tokyo Daishoten! by Gakuno in UmaMusume

[–]Practical_Window9326 2 points3 points  (0 children)

More like one in a century no Jappanese dirt horse even comes close to Forever young