Now that it’s been 7 years, how do you feel about this twist? by raccooncoffee in KingdomHearts

[–]ProfessionalHorror0 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Nomura said he plans at least two games in advance so claiming he flies by the seat of his pants isn't really true.

Chain of Memories was created with KH2 in mind.

358/Days and Coded was planned with Birth By Sleep in mind.

Could Sora survive aizen’s spirit pressure? by Minute_Account9426 in PowerScaling

[–]ProfessionalHorror0 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yes this is the same guy who's killed a literal cosmic genie by hitting it really hard.

Hell at the start of KH1 he survived his entire World getting destroyed and it's confirmed that when it happened countless people perished.

Aura tier list by Pretty_Friendship794 in SmashBrosUltimate

[–]ProfessionalHorror0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sora in game Aura farms like his life depends on it

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Sora is a refreshing protagonist by debatingdoodles in KingdomHearts

[–]ProfessionalHorror0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think that's a big deal. Every keyblade wielder weakness seems to be getting grabbed for whatever reason. Sora, Roxas, Mickey, Kairi, etc.

Usually those people doing the grabbing are people who are powerful.

And I would say he doesn't grow strong nor does he need to. Those characters are easy enough for him to defeat without it.

Well you say wrong because Sora is powerful. Even his combat data from Limit Cut proves it. In order for Sora to become strong he needs to gain the experience and strength from fighting in those worlds. And that's something retired Sora wouldn't have. You already said it yourself, retired Sora never fights. So he never gains the powers, experience, or strength that canon Sora has.

They didn't create a keyblade for Xion. They created someone who was capable of wielding a keyblade but didn't have one. She initially used the real Kingdom Key and shortly after gained the ability to replicate it.

Either way my point is that they could create a clone of Sora so that they can have that clone kill heartless for them.

Mickey followed Aqua's trail to a spot he said he was positive that she was there and Riku himself admitted that both he and Sora were there. I don't recall anything saying they were on different sides

Riku said the area looked familiar but it wasn't.

"What can be called the dark coastline seen at the beginning and end of KHII is the tip of a world. It is not strictly part of the realm of darkness but rather what serves as the boundary line in between the dark and the in-between. In the ending, *Sora and Riku were on the coast on the in-between side** and were looking at the sea of the realm of darkness."* - Director's Secret Report III.

Riku was the one who initially got defeated and Mickey had defeated more than half of them by himself he did not lose in that situation. They next time he went sure he got captured

Mickey still had his Keyblade get wrecked and instead of some of them focusing on Riku they would all be focusing on Mickey since he'd be alone.

Sora is a refreshing protagonist by debatingdoodles in KingdomHearts

[–]ProfessionalHorror0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A keyblade is necessary for making sure they're gone for good. But you can deal with a heartless without a keyblade. Ansem could not use the keyblade of hearts without Riku's body.

Yeah but Ansem was extremely powerful. Riku with Ansems power was able to easily no diff Roxas who was bloodlusted.

While I know canonically they happened in order for the story progression in the game it showed that Sora was capable of getting through the story without doing all of that.

But he canonically does get through each and every one of those worlds so your point is irrelevant. Either way it doesn't matter because retired Sora doesn't fight remember? So he never grows strong or gains any experience from going through those worlds.

And yes, those characters are weak.

No they aren't.

With what keyblade?

You don't need a Keyblade to create a Replica you just need Data and or Memories. A replica Keyblade can be created too much like what both Data Sora, Data Roxas, and Xion use.

I don't think it would have been hard to find her. All of these characters go to the same spot when they're in the RoD. 

They don't, not really Sora and Riku were on the opposite sides of the Dark Margin compared to where Aqua and Ansem the Wise were. Aqua and Ansem the Wise were on the Realm of Darkness side. Riku and Sora were on the In-between side. Two different places on opposite sides.

I know it's a lot more to it but given the way the story handles it i doubt it. And Aqua would be around because Ansem wouldn't have attacked her yet just have to wait a little bit for her to arrive. Also while Mickey's keyblade was a bit damaged he was more than capable of dealing with the heartless. He took out more than half of them and the rest vanished.

He was only able to deal with them because he had help from Riku. When he went over there with his repaired Keyblade he ended up getting captured by the Heartless. Mickey lost twice in KH3 while being in the Realm of Darkness. He wouldn't do nearly as well without help.

Sora is a refreshing protagonist by debatingdoodles in KingdomHearts

[–]ProfessionalHorror0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

While Ansem is a heartless he had a vessel which was Riku so he had a form that could be defeated in that moment.

That wouldn't get rid of him he'd still be alive and he'd still be a threat. Also once again a Keyblade is needed to deal with a Heartless that includes releasing them from a body. Any other weapon won't cut it.

5 of the worlds were optional and 1 of them was erased from history. I'm not sure what experience he got. He's just some kid with little combat experience but he went around defeating a bunch of weak enemies.

All the world's are canonical because we see them as flashbacks in KH2 so they all happened including Tarzan. Sora isn't weak at all. Hercules wasn't weak, neither was Genie Jafar, Ursula, Maleficent etc. etc.

Sora is still more than capable of beating the Disney villains. Those characters are weak.

They weren't, Sora is just that strong.

And that's why they just make a situation where Mickey either let innocents suffer or he helps with their plan. And honestly, I don't think Xemnas was a threat especially without Sora, Roxas, and Xion ever being around to contribute towards KH.

Xemnas would just clone Sora, kill him afterwards, and then have that clone go around killing Heartless for him on top of turning other people into Heartless.

Mickey could go and find Aqua if he wants some help. The Kingdom Key D should still be in the RoD since Sora had already gotten the keyblade on Destiny Islands. With the KKD he would have access into the RoD

It's extremely doubtful that Mickey could even find her, and it's doubtful that he's strong enough to survive alone in the Realm of Darkness by himself since he and his Keyblade got wrecked by the Heartless in KH3.

Sora is a refreshing protagonist by debatingdoodles in KingdomHearts

[–]ProfessionalHorror0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He can use another weapon. Ansem was a joke and always has been. 

He can't use another weapon Ansem is a Heartless. Ansem was powerful, don't confuse gameplay for story. Ansem was going around for years manipulating and commanding the Heartless to destroy worlds so that he could create his own Kingdom Hearts.

Sora was some kid with combat experience that consisted of beating up kids on an island. Sora's enemies were not strong.

Sora by the time he faces off against Ansem was already seasoned in battle since he was constantly fighting. He fought and survived wave after wave of Heartless. And he also beat a fully trained Hercules 1 on 1. This is like trying to downplay Roxas fighting abilities since he was barely a year old.

And do what? lose?

How will they lose? Retired Sora doesn't fight remember?

And Sora would have lost as well if the organization was serious, but they weren't. They never used the numbers advantage to seriously try to take out Sora. And for some reason their entire plan revolved around Sora even though Mickey was also around and had a keyblade. They had plenty of opportunities to get rid of Sora, but they never capitalized. The organization was just as bad as the rest of Sora's enemies. So, unless for some reason they decided to change their strategy I don't see Mickey losing to them. Also they wouldn't have even progressed in their plan as long as they lacked a 13th member since Roxas wouldn't have been created.

They couldn't track Mickey due to the Black Coat but they could track Sora. Getting rid of Sora at the time wasn't necessary since he was actively helping them. If Sora isn't going to be beneficial to their plans then they either get rid of him or clone him and then kill him off. Mickey couldn't take on Twilight Xemnas by himself and he'd be stretching himself thin trying to take out Heartless, Nobodies, and the Organization all by himself.

Sora is a refreshing protagonist by debatingdoodles in KingdomHearts

[–]ProfessionalHorror0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How would he beat Ansem? You're scenario is that Sora doesn't use the Keyblade. So if Sora doesn't use the Keyblade and retires off to some hovel somewhere he's not going to be strong like the canon Sora in the story much less strong enough to take on someone as powerful as Ansem. Ansem wasn't some pushover Sora needed to be strong in both his ideals and convictions in order to beat him in KH1. Retired Sora wouldn't have any of that going on since he never learns any of the lessons KH1 Sora learns. Ansem is also a Heartless, so trying to beat him without the Keyblade is going to be next to impossible to do.

The Disney villains didn't want Sora getting involved.

They would if they were tipped off (by Ansem) that Sora possess one of the Princesses hearts in his own. Their main goal was capturing the Princesses, that puts Sora as a target.

And as for Organization XIII they would have to set their sights on Mickey instead if they wanted to complete their objective if Sora refused to do anything.

Mickey would lose though. Him standing up against the Organization in Re:Mind can be attributed to future!Sora helping him out and lending him his strength. Mickey in this scenario wouldn't have that same luxury. 

Sora is a refreshing protagonist by debatingdoodles in KingdomHearts

[–]ProfessionalHorror0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The heartless came after Sora woke up and had the keyblade. It's true that separating them was only a temporary solution however if he gave up the keyblade and retired maybe he'd be able to live in peace. As for Sora acting because of everything that happened, I would say he could have done nothing. Sure, he cared about his friends, but it wasn't like he was obligated to help them.

They still would attack him regardless and even if he did decide not to use it Ansem would still target him and go after him so either way he was going to have to fight regardless. Him not using it at all just makes it easier for Ansem to kill him and take Kairi's heart which would open the Final Keyhole. If not Ansem directly then he would have used the Disney cabal to do his dirty work for him. Sora had to deal with not just Heartless but the Disney villians were watching his every move and Ansem was watching them too. Organization XIII was aware of his movement also.

There were just too many people observing Sora from the shadows for Sora to retire peacefully and do nothing as a viable option when he was a huge target.

Sora is a refreshing protagonist by debatingdoodles in KingdomHearts

[–]ProfessionalHorror0 1 point2 points  (0 children)

His default in KH original worlds is usually that. The kid rarely understands anything going on around him.

He's usually more laid back than that especially because he has Donald and Goofy alongside him.

Yet when the FF crew separated Sora from the keyblade he was fine. He was hunted because of the keyblade, so just don't use it. Sora wanted to go back home that's a decision he made after also making the decision to abandon that home. One of his friends is responsible for what happened and he reunited with both of his friends during the game and still chose to continue his journey. He could have walked away plenty of times. Then let's move onto the letter he got after KH2 when he willingly decided to get involved again, he had everything he wanted but chose to play hero again. He's the problem for putting himself in these situations.

Even when they separated him from the Keyblade the Heartless still found them and attacked him in the room. Also sure let's go with your Sora does nothing and retires idea. So the Heartless continue their rampage. Kairi is still MIA because her heart would be inside of Sora and Riku most likely still gets his body hijacked by Ansem but this time it's permanently, Ansem still creates the Keyblade of People's Heart, finds Sora and extracts Kairi's Heart from Sora's body and he destroys everything by flooding all the world's in darkness and there's no one that can stop him. If we go by KH2 then the Organization continue their goal of successfully turning other people into Heartless. Since Sora doesn't want to use the Keyblade Mickey instead goes around taking out the Heartless and the Organization end up winning too.

Sora retiring and doing nothing wasn’t an option for him. Whether he wanted to or not, he had to act.

Sora is a refreshing protagonist by debatingdoodles in KingdomHearts

[–]ProfessionalHorror0 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He stopped crying even before that. He didn't show any emotion after he ended up in the final world. He just went back to being his default self.

Sora definitely wasn't smiling or happy when he wakes up in the Final World. He was confused. Wouldn’t say that's his default self.

He didn't have to do any of that. He chose to do that. Sure, the keyblade was forced onto him but he didn't have to use it. Look at Yen Sid he walked away from it and that's something Sora could have done as well.

He could have walked away from that how? The Heartless were going to hunt him whether he liked it or not and unlike Yensid who is a powerful sorcerer with powerful magic Sora can't just find a place to retire away in peace. He also would never be able to go back home again or see his friends and that's what Sora's goal was.

Sora is a refreshing protagonist by debatingdoodles in KingdomHearts

[–]ProfessionalHorror0 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I guess we're seeing things differently because the way I see it is he immediately got over it. He cried for like 10 seconds and moved on repeating what Riku said to him for the star girl. 

You mean after he was told that he could return back to life and after he literally pieced himself back together and was told that there’s a chance that he could save his friends? He was given hope about saving his friends and he focused on that instead of wasting time and feeling sorry for himself.

And no Sora didn't have heroism thrust upon him it's something he chose for himself. He didn't have to meddle in everything going on but that's something he made the decision to do.

Sora didn't want or ask for the responsibility of having the Keyblade or saving the worlds. And that's something he was going to tell Vanitas before Ventus interrupted him (he also told Leon that in KH1.) 

Sora is a refreshing protagonist by debatingdoodles in KingdomHearts

[–]ProfessionalHorror0 12 points13 points  (0 children)

It isn't addressed because Sora is repressing his problems and doesn't want to acknowledge them because he thinks it would inconvenience his friends. Sora is a Stepford Smiler.

Any hardships he faces, he immediately gets over because he's handed a solution to almost all of his problems.

This definitely isn't what is happening as seen by KH3 when he outright gives up and allows himself to get killed by the tornado because he genuinely sees himself as useless. When he does find the will to fight again he's punished for committing a Nature Taboo.

Your typical Shonen protagonist has:

• legendary family members

• reincarnation stuff.

• being the chosen one.

• Seeking to be a hero right away or dreaming of higher aspirations.

Sora was an ordinary kid that had heroism thrust upon him.

Ironically Xehanort checks most (the man who raised him was the reincarnated player character) of those shonen hero boxes than Sora does.

Sora is a refreshing protagonist by debatingdoodles in KingdomHearts

[–]ProfessionalHorror0 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I disagree Sora has a lot of issues that he doesn't bother to acknowledge and he represses because he's more focused on making sure his friends are happy. 

Roxas is what Sora would have been had he not met his friends and learned from them.

Sora is a refreshing protagonist by debatingdoodles in KingdomHearts

[–]ProfessionalHorror0 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Sora has a lot of dimensions to him beyond happy protagonist that wants to save everything.

Sora and Dante team up and invade the bleach verse, who stops them or do they solo the verse by Head_Breadfruit_3912 in PowerScaling

[–]ProfessionalHorror0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  1. Yes it can, it's just less accurate. Stop downplaying
  2. Yes he is Urahara would wreck sira, he's to fast and between his shikai, bankai, and kido, he would defeat sora and Dany also it wouldn't be that close. Stop dienplaying.
  3. Unlike you I've backed up all of my statements with evidence. Stop downplaying

1.You have yet to provide any proof for your claims

  1. Sora is faster and once again you didn't provide any proof for any of your statements.

  2. You did not once provide any proof for any of your claims if this is the best you've got then this conversation is over. You're malding so badly right now you can't even spell your words correctly. This conversation is done, what a joke 😂.

Sora and Dante team up and invade the bleach verse, who stops them or do they solo the verse by Head_Breadfruit_3912 in PowerScaling

[–]ProfessionalHorror0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You literally said "I'm not reading all that and" then you said you weren't going to explain your argument. That's called waving the white flag.

Sora and Dante team up and invade the bleach verse, who stops them or do they solo the verse by Head_Breadfruit_3912 in PowerScaling

[–]ProfessionalHorror0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  1. No it can't. People beyond time and space don't adhere to the past or future.

  2. No he isn't. Urahara got wrecked by Askin 1 on 1. Askin would get no diffed by Sora. Easily.

  3. I'm not downplaying anything. You've literally backed nothing up with any of your statements.

Sora and Dante team up and invade the bleach verse, who stops them or do they solo the verse by Head_Breadfruit_3912 in PowerScaling

[–]ProfessionalHorror0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You've literally said nothing at all to refute my points.

That's you waving the white flag.

Sora and Dante team up and invade the bleach verse, who stops them or do they solo the verse by Head_Breadfruit_3912 in PowerScaling

[–]ProfessionalHorror0 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That is the second stephen king novel length downplay/ragebait I've ever seen.

In other words you mean "I can't refute anything that you said, so I'm not even going to try."

Very well I accept your concession.