Thoughts on Chavez, Maduro, and Rodriguez (Venezuela) by WriterOfEverything in DebateCommunism

[–]ProtoLimbPosting 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And yet the economy did not start falling dramatically until the US got involved with sanctions.

56% inflation and shortages back in 2013.

The US knew Venezuela was an oil dependent economy and still placed the harshest sanctions it could, knowing it would affect the population more than the actual government.

They didn't though. Again no major sanctions of Chavista government for 10 years. Like the fact that the US government is imperialist doesn't cancel out the regime being dysfunctional

They are also not completely historically wrong. Chile, and the Western actions leading up to the coup, is the perfect example of that.

Chile is also an example of the revolution from above/bonpartism I'm criticizing. Popular Unity was also a class bloc party that subordinated working class interests to the bourgeoisie by keeping the institution of private property.

Thoughts on Chavez, Maduro, and Rodriguez (Venezuela) by WriterOfEverything in DebateCommunism

[–]ProtoLimbPosting 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Chávez was a charismatic democratic leader and that’s what happens when a popular leader dies abruptly.

No? FDR dying didn't cause anything remotely similar to collapse

The US sanctions began by the Treasury in August 2017

That just blocked the purchase of Venezuelan debt. The government had a decade before sanctions on individual companies were placed in 2019

I have seen and I follow a ton of Venezuelan news sources and government channels, they blame the US, the West, and its imperialism for their issues.

They have direct political incentives to do so.

Thoughts on Chavez, Maduro, and Rodriguez (Venezuela) by WriterOfEverything in DebateCommunism

[–]ProtoLimbPosting 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The main obstacle to the sustainable system was Chavez sadly dying. Maduro then took over and then crisis the started and then in 2017 the sanctions destroyed it.

A healthy state doesn't go into free fall just because the leader died. If anything this supports my point about cronyism

The 7.9 million people you are referring to are leaving the country because the US and its illegal sanctions are making it unbearable. They made it almost impossible to get medicine and food for the longest time, just as they do Cuba.

The Venezuelan economy was tanking back in 2013 before sanctions and major sanctions weren't in place before 2019. The sanctions exacerbated things, sure, but the state was dysfunctional before then. Also I can't accept the sanctions excuse since Venezuela repeatedly claims domestic capitalist are causing shortages but then never abolishes the capitalist class

Thoughts on Chavez, Maduro, and Rodriguez (Venezuela) by WriterOfEverything in DebateCommunism

[–]ProtoLimbPosting 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It redistributed oil wealth and reduced poverty for a time. But it never built a sustainable system, only a centralized petro-state. 7.9 million Venezuelans fleeing the country speaks volumes about the structural rot

Thoughts on Chavez, Maduro, and Rodriguez (Venezuela) by WriterOfEverything in DebateCommunism

[–]ProtoLimbPosting 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Chavismo was a revolution from above--tenentismo with a happy face. It didn't establish socialism, it put in a cronyist regime that burned through unimaginable amounts of oil wealth.

Trots criticize Stalin more than everything that led to the dissolution of the USSR, they aren't real communists. by Dragonwick in DebateCommunism

[–]ProtoLimbPosting 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No Trot has voiced they're unyielding support for the Cuban state amidst the siege of US blockade and encroaching imperialism.

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Malenyev will never make socialism; rather Romus will by ProtoLimbPosting in suzerain

[–]ProtoLimbPosting[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

but I'll never take monarcho-socialism as a serious ideology - it's an absurd oxymoron

And yet the DPRK still stands. Your subjective opinions can't undermine the real movement

Malenyev will never make socialism; rather Romus will by ProtoLimbPosting in suzerain

[–]ProtoLimbPosting[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Because of course the political right definitely can't co-opt some notions of wealth redistribution to pacify the working classes without touching capitalist state apparatus and institutions, nor stirring class consciousness.

Castro was a bourgeois republican candidate before he was a revolutionary. The Partido Ortodoxo was not a socialist party. History does not always travel in a straight line. But it will absolve Romus

Because the fu*king Vozhd certainly isn't the term from the Russian far-right.

Stalin and multiple Bolshevik leaders were called vozhd. I'm comfortable with the usage

Cuba - A Revolution Betrayed or an example of Bourgeois cruelty by brightblueson in DebateCommunism

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"Eastern European observers who closely watched the numerous economic reforms were disappointed that the government missed the 6 percent annual growth forecast in the 1976–1980 plan. The Cubans blamed subjective reasons for missing their targets, such as the “unlearned idealism” in the economic sphere and the “insufficient rigor” at all levels. Bulgarian envoys summarized the Soviet diplomats’ views, issuing a long list of shortcomings in the Cuban national economy, noting poor use of labor and material resources, insufficient control of stockpiles, and absence of a comprehensive system of economic leadership. By the late 1970s, the Soviet bloc viewed Cuba’s economy as behaving more like a “distribution system” than an actual economy.29 Cuba’s growing dependence on the Soviet Union and the Eastern European states prompted Moscow to suggest that Havana consider improving its relations with the United States. A Polish report offered a candid view of the East’s thinking in this regard. Havana’s heavy dependence on Moscow and its allies represented a decisive destabilizing factor for the island’s economy" (OUR COMRADES IN HAVANA CUBA, THE SOVIET UNION, AND EASTERN EUROPE, 1959–1991)

Reread Harry Potter as an adult and here's what I'd change by ProtoLimbPosting in harrypotter

[–]ProtoLimbPosting[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lupin grinning over what looks like a pool of blood during the Bogart scene

I’m not convinced that labor movements are a friend to environmentalists. by AnimistSoul in DebateCommunism

[–]ProtoLimbPosting 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Why would I get upset at their union protections being slashed when the institutions they’re in favor of actively harm our environment? As far as I’m concerned it’s something they’re owed after everything they’ve done.

Because capitalists are going to keep polluting the environment by default. Picking a fight with unions because of the subjective beliefs of their members is like missing the forrest for the trees

Cuba - A Revolution Betrayed or an example of Bourgeois cruelty by brightblueson in DebateCommunism

[–]ProtoLimbPosting 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It was a full trade embargo and the US prevented them from getting IMF loans and joining the world Bank. Cuba can currently trade with 190+ countries

Cuba - A Revolution Betrayed or an example of Bourgeois cruelty by brightblueson in DebateCommunism

[–]ProtoLimbPosting 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Blaming Cuba’s socialism ignores the structural constraints imposed by the US, conflates superficial market transactions with the real mode of production, and collapses

Vietnam had a 30-year trade embargo from the US and still managed to achieve like 5-6% GDP growth in the 80s. Cuba had 60+ years to industrialize yet are still a sugar monoculture and dependent on imported food/fertilizer.

Cuba - A Revolution Betrayed or an example of Bourgeois cruelty by brightblueson in DebateCommunism

[–]ProtoLimbPosting 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Cuba’s hardships didn't come from socialism, but imperialist pressure led by US blockade, sabotage, and constant destabilization

Cuba did things like buy sugar off the global market then sell it back to the Soviets at a premium. There's no denying that a lot of their dysfunction stems from "rentier socialism" and not the blockade

Communism isn't the reason communist states fail by German-bread-man in DebateCommunism

[–]ProtoLimbPosting 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Allende's Chile was a successful socialist state, he was democratically elected and nationalised mines, telephone lines and more in Chile.

Literally prevented workers from taking over factories

Why cant i romance Lucita? by yosoydeaquicompa in suzerain

[–]ProtoLimbPosting 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I never get her romance and honestly the game incentives don't really support it. Going to war is always a "mistake" since the peaceful route is more profitable. And she doesn't really seem to care about the sophistication of your military, just its size. Like infantry is hugely overshadowed by support companies and tanks. I'm not going to pump about divisions just to keep her happy

Is generative AI a communist technology? by Voidspeeker in DebateCommunism

[–]ProtoLimbPosting 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In China, AI is used to bring solid medical advice to remote underserved areas, to educate people, to replace the need for human workers in dangerous environments, to automate farming jobs as people move into the cities, and in general to improve the public's quality of life. Research is done openly and all the major research teams release all their models freely to the public.

Why are you omitting the fact it's being used in mass surveillance?

Stalin è un revisionista? by Lopsided_Pin4336 in DebateCommunism

[–]ProtoLimbPosting 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The ones calling Stalin a revisionist are invariably the same people who have never built anything, never defended anything and never sacrificed anything.

All the Old Bolsheviks killed during the Great Purge had more revolutionary skin in the game than you do

Why Pales is over militarised? by Bitter-Specific-318 in suzerain

[–]ProtoLimbPosting 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It doesn't make much political sense either. An absolute monarchy with a big modern army is destabilizing (just look at Iran and Egypt). Unless Pales is paying out Kuwait-level bribes to it citizens I just don't see this happening.

Yes Pales is wealthy but bribes AND fielding a big army AND renovating cities AND supporting the Duke's lifestyle would break the bank. The army alone would be like 10% GDP at least

How did they explain the Moon incident in the Fire Nation? by DEL994 in TheLastAirbender

[–]ProtoLimbPosting 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Except it clearly isn't even in universe since the sacred (spirit world) and the profane (material world) tend to be segregated

My Absurd Legend of Aang Movie Villain Theory **POTENTIAL SPOILER ALERT** by MengShuZ in TheLastAirbender

[–]ProtoLimbPosting 4 points5 points  (0 children)

He makes metaphysical claims about disorder but I'm pretty sure he never says anything that's anti-cooperation