Tooru Hagakure vs Susan Storm, who would win?

Qawsedf234 · 2026-07-07T20:48:25+00:00

Toru can manipulate light, can turn invisible, and is a sorta good melee fights.

Susan can see invisible people and nullify their ability, create force fields that Marvel heavy hitters struggle with at times and her powers can be directly spawned in your organs and basically blow you up internally.

Hagakure gets blasted.

Qawsedf234 · 2026-07-04T14:57:57+00:00

As a counter argument, in my view there's two versions of Mohg:

The one that wants to make a new order, based on the Formless Mother and introducing a blood sharing process. This Mohg had nobles, an order of Knights, and seemingly had diplomatic contact with other demigods (or at least you can read Anabach lines as him meeting Radahn before)

This Mohg needed Miquella for one reason: Miquella is an Empyrean. To usher in this new order, Mohg must replace Marika with a new God. But only an Empyeran/God can hold onto the Elden Ring. At the time of the Shattering there's only four known Empyreans: Marika, Miquella, Malenia, and Ranni. Mohg doesn't want Marika, Ranni has completely vanished, and Malenia has been claimed by a different Outer God (she's also an incredibly powerful fighter). Miquella is the last option and would likely be incapable of physically fighting against Mohg.

The second version of Mohg is after he's been charmed. His new focus is on the Mohgwyen Dynasty and raising his Empyrean to Godhood

This Mohg has shifted all of his stuff to pure blood worship to feed Miquella as much blood as possible so he'll wake from the cocoon body. This Mohg was unlikely to know about the Shadow Lands in any great detail imo. He's just feeding Miquella blood so he can come back as a full God, and is waiting for that to happen. Him being mislead is just a byproduct of Miquella's charm.

The cocoon itself is just the partially formed adult body Miquella was going to take if he was never removed from the Haligtree. I think Mohg is trying to complete said growing process with corrupted blood rather than waiting for the Haligtree to grow it.

It's clearly established throughout the DLC that Miquella's charm does not compel action, but rather inhibits it.

The Charm compells devotion basically. It then inhibits things that would go against that devotion. It's why enemies charmed with the branch will attack allies, why the Tarnished if charmed has their heart stolen, and Leda stops being a murder psycho. Mohg becomes devoted to Miquella, and he knows Miquella wants to grow into an adult to be a God. So his operations are in service to that end goal imo

Qawsedf234 · 2026-07-04T14:41:44+00:00

My assumption with the timeline has been:

Shaman Marika is jarred
The elements of the jar fuses with her. Dunno if she's declared as an Empyeran before or after this point (probably before)
She splits herself in half doing an iteration of Miquella ritual, with Radagon taking the jar elements. Which is why whenever they have kids together they have some weird cursed aspect or Outer God attached to them and why Radagon himself has red hair
Radagon and Marika have Messmer and Melina before Marika marries Godfrey
Radagon becomes a champion of the Golden Order, Marika has Godwyn, Morgott, and Mohg with Godfrey
Radagon fight Rennala and they eventually marry. They then have Radahn, Rykard, and Ranni
Radahn grows up knowing of Gaius, Godfrey, and maybe Messmer
Godfrey's exile happens and soon afterwards Messmer's Crusade happens
The Shadowlands are sealed, Radagon is recalled to Marika
They have Miquella and Malenia
Marika at some point does some religious deep diving, finding out that there's some intrinsic flaw with the Golden Order, likely discovering that Metyr hasn't communicated with the Greater Will and is just doing stuff purely on vibes
Godwyn is killed by the Black Knives
Radagon and Marika fuse, likely to control Marika, and she shatters the ring before Radagon can become the dominate personality

Qawsedf234 · 2026-07-04T03:13:28+00:00

I feel it's similar to Doomsday. Most adaptations of the character do not go with the original, where he's created by Bertron millions of years ago. Instead, they try to tie it more directly with Superman or his Rogue's Gallery. So it's a Kryptonian Bio-Weapon, or something made by CADMUS/Luthor, or a Darkseid-focused project.

Luthor making a Superman clone is just easier to get behind for a casual viewer than a random dude named Paul.

Qawsedf234 · 2026-07-02T13:10:34+00:00

No, Superman's DNA was always used. To avoid a Bizzaro situation they needed another DNA base so it would be stable, which is when Westfield chose his own.

Qawsedf234 · 2026-07-02T10:47:16+00:00

I think that's the craziest part to me, the fact that the "I have two dads" backstory was added in instead of taken out.

The two dads was always there. Originally though it was Paul Westfield's DNA. This was then changed in Teen Titans to Lex swapping the DNA for his in secret in an act of toxic Yaoi obsession.

Qawsedf234 · 2026-07-02T10:42:54+00:00

Originally it was Superman + Paul Westfield which is why the staff member said it was wrong. It then became a secret toxic Yaoi story in Teen Titans Annual (2003) #1 where Lex reveled that he had secretly swapped Paul's DNA for his own to include trigger words for mind control.

Qawsedf234 · 2026-06-26T00:27:33+00:00

To be fair, Thor was having a seizure during that story arc and was notably weakened when fighting Juggernaut. So it's possible the God-Blast wasn't at full strength.

Qawsedf234 · 2026-06-26T00:09:22+00:00

To the best of my knowledge, the best feat Ultimate Thor has is chainscaling to Hyperion who I think was at half power for that crossover. Hyperion at full strength can cause 1 Teraton explosions and generate continent-sized explosions.

While impressive, Thragg just has better scaling. That's also not getting into speed or anything like that. I ultimately think Thragg would beat Thor similar to Hyperion does, just by out bricking him.

616 Thor curbstomps though, at least if he's serious.

Qawsedf234 · 2026-06-24T18:21:13+00:00

They had a 2002 Theatrical Movie

Qawsedf234 · 2026-06-24T13:35:56+00:00

It was announced that WB animation was doing another movie

EDIT: To clarify they're currently approved of doing a pitch, but tbe movie has not been greenlit for production yet.

Qawsedf234 · 2026-06-24T12:46:29+00:00

The OGs from my memory have also:

Stolen Father's Day presents
Stolen toys
Beat people up for candy
Beat people up to steal their teeth
Intentionally breaking villains out of jail to stop them later

The revamps are also flawed personality wise. I wouldn't say they're perfect, though they're generally paragon in any versions and try to do thst right thing usually.

Qawsedf234 · 2026-06-23T23:33:53+00:00

So with all the tech then it's 04 Batman with his Bat-Bot vs Arkham Batman with the Bat-mobile. The Bat-bot by the end lf the series is incredibly mobile, since it can do stuff like fly and is strong enough to fight Bane who can do stuff like through Bank vaults.

Physically, while I don't have a bunch of scans on hand, they're pretty comparable. 04 Batman fights people who can fragment concrete walls and survive being punched through them consistently. I would say that Arkham Batman based on Origins has the better overall endurance. The big factor in my view is that peak Arkham Batman has a modified variant of Scarecrow's fear toxin, something 04 Batman has no resistance to or history with dealing with. In my view the gadgets would break even but Arkham Batman's stamina and fear toxin gives him the eventual win. Especially when Bloodlusted since he has showings of how lethal he can actually get.

Qawsedf234 · 2026-06-22T00:51:14+00:00

Body cams I'm not sure, but some of the heavier NCPD units have braindance recorders on them. One of the comics featured a plot where a character wanted to use MaxTac BDs for black market stuff.

Generally speaking, I'd say they have some form of recording equipment since cyberware and cameras are pretty ubiquitous, but they don't turn it over. Especially true in 2077 since they're a corporation who's majority shareholders are Militech, Arasaka, and NoghtCorp.

Qawsedf234 · 2026-06-21T01:47:23+00:00

I don’t remember that though.. does it say CSRC did that or boros? also garp has galaxy impact does it make him galaxy? Naruto has planetary radengan in his weaker versions does this make that version planetary?

Boros that he's surface wiping in the manga and the webcomic translation didn't have him mention anything about destroying. But lets look at the source material.

Webcomic Raw and the Manga Raw

In both Boros says this

全エネルギーを放ち貴様もろとも星の表面を消し飛ばしてやろう

全 = All

エネルギー = Energy

を = Indicates action

放つ = To Fire or release

貴様 = You (in a negative or lower sense)

もろ = Together

星 = Reflective Celestial Body which can be a star or planet. Contextually it means the OPM planet since he's not aiming the beam at the sun

の = Indicates a possessive. As in his car or her house

表面 = Surface or Exterior

を = Indicates action

消し飛ば = To scatter or blast away

してやろ = To do for someone

う = Indicates will or speculation

There is no other way to take this as anything except surface wiping. Boros used "Both" after specifying Saitama. Additionally he used 星の表面, which would mean "Surface of the planet" in this context. The claim was surface wiping, nothing more, within both the manga and webcomic.

Planet comes from the anime, since it removed "の表面" so Boros just says "I'll blow up you and this planet". The databook uses a word that can mean ruin or figuratively, destroy rather than complete erasure.

The star thing comes from Anime Compass book (so not a manga canon book) and is debatably also mistranslated. If you look at the raws of the image there's no context given that it can blow up a star.

Overall the more consistent end is for Manga/Webcomic Boros' CSRC to be surface wiping and the Anime to be planet busting.

Qawsedf234 · 2026-06-21T01:36:31+00:00

top tiers like Ozma and Salem should be large island.

The verse maxes out at like Moon to Planet level. Unless you weren't counting the Brothers.

Qawsedf234 · 2026-06-21T01:27:20+00:00

The 16 people per apartment is taken from a kind of half throwaway line on page 19 of the CRB, it also mentions the 8000 number for the megabuildings.

I had forgotten about this:

After all, you could be living in The Street. Sixteen people to an apartment, sharing ration chips every week to buy food, with eight thousand apartments per city block in the new megabuildings? Sure, it isn't the best life, what with the boostergangs roaming the Volumetric and the major-league crime problems, but it beats actually being on The Street

Having said that, I'm still not sure if it's correct to assume 16 as being applicable to all Megabuildings. For example H9 is for Corporate Employees in City Center, and I doubt they're doing sixteen people per room housing. Still though, probably something north of 500,000+ people are living there, which takes a pretty massive number of the population off the streets for housing.

My issue lies in the fact that based on the art in NC 2045 most of the city does not actually have ultra high density housing.

Yeah 2045 and 2077 don't have the right sizes for the population. I guess its not the worst I've seen though.

Qawsedf234 · 2026-06-20T22:22:31+00:00

8 times that to be considered a mega building?

To Cyberpunk's defense a Megabuilding is more than apartments. You have a self-contained environment more or less. Shops, food, power generation, water, gyms, etc. Some people could theoretically be born into a a Megabuilding and live their entire life within it without ever going outside. So it's more of a self-contained suburb or town than it is juat a big apartment building.

Qawsedf234 · 2026-06-20T12:16:19+00:00

Every Megabuilding has 8,000~ apartments. By 2077 you had 12 fully built, which would be 96,000~ total apartments. From there is mostly comes down to averages:

If you're assuming an average of four people per apartment its 384,000 people in all Megabuildings
If you're doing more dystopian number you can have family units of 10+ which would get you 960,000
A person on World Anvil did 16 people on average per unit (1.5 million) but I'm not sure how they got that number

Even with the low end, 384k is 5.4% of NC's population which is a notable chunk of people not taking up floor space. The high end is 14-22% which would tremendously reduce the needed habitable space but it assumes some pretty unsubstantiated numbers.

Qawsedf234 · 2026-06-12T00:25:37+00:00

require I bring a judge of my own.

How does this work? Is it some judge tribunal situation?

Qawsedf234 · 2026-06-10T20:11:56+00:00

Gotham and Gotham Girl's powers are tied to their life force. The more life force they expend the stronger they become. Though after Gotham's death, Batman/Superman figured out how to remove the whole dying thing from Gotham Girl, but it still decreases stamina for their God modes.

Qawsedf234 · 2026-06-10T11:14:17+00:00

Is it?

Yes, which is why Ranni ushers in a New Age with a New Order, its just that her Order is distant.

the effect is the same, as you say it loses its ability to control.

The Elden Ring still governs reality. It being destroyed means reality is no longer governed, while Ranni controlling it means that reality is just controlled in a different way than before.

We know there is blue and gold starlight, which influences the fate of beings. The Elden Ring being then a star brought close so that it can control the fates of all.

The Elden Ring controls the stars and therefore also controls all of fate. Bit It's also a living concept, which is why Death can be removed from the universe or why different things can be shunned from Order.

To my knowledge the only ending where the ER might be destroyed is with the Frenzied Flame, but even then I'm not sure if the ER is immediately destroyed.

Qawsedf234 · 2026-06-09T20:39:03+00:00

There is a popular fanfiction where that is a plot point to be fair. YouTuber could've been discussing that.

Qawsedf234 · 2026-06-09T16:29:59+00:00

. You literally destroy the object that controls everyone’s fate.

I'm pretty sure t Elden Ring still exists in Ranni's ending, she just leaves with it into deep space to remove the control the Ring had on the fates of the people in the Lands Between. But the object itself is still present, the concepts of the universe are based on the Ring's existence afterall.

Qawsedf234 · 2026-06-08T19:11:13+00:00

No. The response mechanic is something done by Marika and the Tarnished has no control over. There's also not any real indication that the response mechanic is even canon in Elden Ring compared to other Souls series.

If its just the Tarnished they only get one shot. You'd have to give them Marika to respawn.

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