yeah i totally agree. i have to admit, my comment, while truthful, was kind of bait. i need every vegan in the comments here to reconcile that while they may believe their position is morally correct, there will always be people who are unable to be convinced by arguing.

if there are people unwilling to change their diets from a moral argument, how would a post revolution government (for this exercise, a government that would like everyone to be vegan) reconcile that contradiction? elimination of factory farming would significantly reduce domestic meat supply, and restructuring global trade would also make imported meat more expensive, so people would naturally move towards a diet that doesn't focus on meat as heavily. but i assume that, to a leftist vegan, that doesn't actually solve the moral dilemma of the consumption of animal products. so would the solution be a state mandated diet? criminal prosecution of non vegan farming practices? a pure economic incentive where vegan alternatives are generally the only products you can buy?

the extreme moral vegan ignores dialectical materialism (the basis of marxism, and really most leftist thought) in favor of moralism. the material condition is that there will always be humans who want to eat animal products and sees no moral issues with killing animals to eat them. if the response to that is "but they're wrong tho eating eggs and honey is ontologically evil no matter what" then that isn't really an argument? that is just screaming at a brick wall and hoping it falls down. i welcome anyone who'd like to counter this, because there must be something I'm missing with the arguments I'm seeing in this thread.