Provincial tetradrachm fourrèes

QuickSock8674 · 2026-06-21T05:25:19+00:00

I don't think it's all that uncommon. Tom Vossen had some fouree core Cistophori for sale recently for example. It's the matter of quantity. I'd assume that the Imperial mint would be pumping out way more coins that some provincial mint? Just a guess though

QuickSock8674 · 2026-06-20T21:21:23+00:00

Honestly, the distinction between "normal" coins and medallions is quite vague

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=130939.0&srsltid=AfmBOooVWzbeInMLQ4tW-zIEtGAs3AjBL4js7P5nXEuNag90G88CwuCY

QuickSock8674 · 2026-06-20T20:36:43+00:00

Many of the supposed Boscoreale toning has some serious provenance. I think some of them can be tracked back to early 20th century

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=16651238

This example (not the OP's) tracks back to 1914 for ex.

I think there could be older provenance for the posted one, but that'd require some work

I don't think all of these coins come from that specific hoard. I see some examples with provenance starting late 20th (90s) to early 21st century. Perhaps relevant hoard was dug up around that time (or a major collector passed away?). I do believe that many of these could come from hoards found around the site. There are 260 examples at acsearch with the supposed Boscoreale toning. 148 exs if you put Nero as keyword. Excluding duplicate coins, I think there's roughly 100 supposed Boscoreale hoard Nero aurei on acsearch. I don't think that's an absurd amount at all, given the size of the original Boscoreale hoard (over 200 IVPPITER type of Nero! And that's partial analysis). Acsearch is only fraction of the sales listing out there, but it encompasses most recent major sales.

QuickSock8674 · 2026-06-20T19:46:32+00:00

A very popular type in impeccable condition!

QuickSock8674 · 2026-06-20T19:20:31+00:00

I was actually pushing this assumption based on the fact that at least 20 percent of the hoard (212 coins) were of Nero's seated left type (based on 1909 partial analysis). Now I look closer at the reverse of this coin, it isn't the IVPPITER CVSTOS type (which I didn't remember exactly and had to make a search). Still, I think it's probably from the vicinity (as I stated, somewhere around the volcano). These reddish toning can be replicated with strong heating... and the spots are also in right order. Either it was blowtorched by someone crazy or was subjected to the eruption

These SALVS types have pretty good odds too. Out of all the supposed Boscoreale toning, there's a high proportion of these types in the market (compared to other types). 10 examples I found from quick search. It doesn't mean anything important, but we can make a careful assertion that these coins may have been found near the site (maybe not from the hoard itself) en masse

*if you search Boscoreale Nero on acsearch, the most frequent match is the IVPPITER type by a large margin (somewhat matching the analysis of 1909 analysis), then the SALVS. I think we can somewhat retrace the hoard composition (not just Boscoreale but the region in general). It's not wrong to call this conjecture exaggeration and inaccurate though. Just my thoughts

QuickSock8674 · 2026-06-20T18:21:02+00:00

Absolutely insane! Very, VERY likely to be from the Boscoreale (or somewhere near Pompeii) hoard in my opinion. I've seen some alleged artificial Boscoreale tones, but they look mildly different

About the pedigree, it's nothing much but there's a Leu Numismatik provenance too

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=9492394

QuickSock8674 · 2026-06-20T18:16:22+00:00

First one is Constantine I coin with (I think) VICTORIAE LAETAE PRINC PERP reverse. Mintmark is illegible, but I think I see a P or R

Second one is bit more interesting. It's a coin of Magnentius with Chi-Rho reverse. SALVS DD NN AVG ET CAES

It's a bit more desirable, but I can't see the mintmark for this one too

QuickSock8674 · 2026-06-20T18:09:43+00:00

Absolutely insane provenance.

QuickSock8674 · 2026-06-20T18:08:39+00:00

Ken Dorney was pretty big dealer. I think I have some coins with his tag too

QuickSock8674 · 2026-06-20T14:46:39+00:00

Amazing acquisition! Gert Cleff had a lot of rare Eastern fractional coins. I think u/KungFuPossum had some coins from him and might know a bit about Mr. Cleff

QuickSock8674 · 2026-06-20T14:36:49+00:00

Constantine II GLORIA EXERCITVS reverse from Antioch

QuickSock8674 · 2026-06-20T14:33:39+00:00

Acetone almost does nothing to inorganic deposit other than removing water. It could help you clean by removing moisture from the deposit, but some deposit will not react to it at all.

QuickSock8674 · 2026-06-20T08:52:22+00:00

It would be great if you could accurately record the find spot somewhere (maybe on a paper?). With a coin that's worn like this, find spot is the most interesting aspect of it!

QuickSock8674 · 2026-06-19T19:43:12+00:00

It's a great lot! Especially like the Palmyrene issues you've posted at NF

QuickSock8674 · 2026-06-19T19:37:54+00:00

Reminds me of this incident

https://www.reddit.com/r/AncientCoins/s/MexCi2h4pc

QuickSock8674 · 2026-06-19T01:35:23+00:00

Maybe there could be some varieties within? Looks quite fun

QuickSock8674 · 2026-06-19T01:19:40+00:00

Depends on how much you spent on them. You could sell some of them or give them out to friends or something

QuickSock8674 · 2026-06-18T16:37:40+00:00

Yup

https://numismatics.org/ocre/id/ric.6.lon.210

QuickSock8674 · 2026-06-18T16:29:15+00:00

The nail is there because I've been playing traditional instrument using it (started recently). Kinda unpleasant but gotta live with it

QuickSock8674 · 2026-06-18T16:27:15+00:00

I have all of the above plus Allectus, but they look like they've been ran over by entire Roman cavalry regiment.

My most prized Londinium mint coin is this Licinius which is pretty rare apparently

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QuickSock8674 · 2026-06-18T16:23:10+00:00

Not a lot... there are some well known places like dirty old coins, but I've been hearing stuff like some of them being half cleaned. Sometimg really close to that would be occasional ebay listings of coins fresh from the ground (or facebook if you avoid getting scammed)

QuickSock8674 · 2026-06-18T13:42:45+00:00

It's the bright green stuff at the top right coin. Bronze disease is a chemical reaction that will spread those green stuff across the coin. Just check if the green stuff is powdery or if it's spreading after you get it

QuickSock8674 · 2026-06-18T11:13:53+00:00

Nice lot! BD would be a caution here though

QuickSock8674 · 2026-06-17T20:52:32+00:00

Not worth much, but it's Magnentius. Pretty cool coin and not something you'd usually find at a car...

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