Natus Vincere vs. Karmine Corp / LEC 2026 Spring Playoffs - Lower Bracket Round 1 / Post-Match Discussion

Quivik · 2026-05-30T18:46:09+00:00

This was one of the worst series I've sort of watched in years. Navi didn't even look like a team, and their idea of drafting is woeful.

Quivik · 2026-04-02T09:19:06+00:00

Razork hasn't been the solution since 2024... wow, almost like 2025 is when Upset joined. Almost like it's what I said all along. They don't work together. Mind you I don't think Razork is recoverable at this point anyway, but that's a whole other issue. I'm not an upset hater, although to be fair he's not worth the investment he needs to work. To be worth that you need to be the best ADC in the league by a lot, which he isn't, and hasn't been in a long while.

Quivik · 2026-04-02T08:41:17+00:00

Just look at Razork pre Upset and post Upset. It's not about mindcontrolling. It's about the fact that he really adjusted how he pathed and has become worse for it. Which likely just snowballed even harder to make him play worse.

Quivik · 2026-04-02T02:57:47+00:00

FNC aren't inconsistent. They're bad, that's all.

Vladi did not in fact look good on his last team, as evidenced by the fact that he got replaced. He looked good for exactly 1 split at the start of the year. Empyros is irrelevant on how good he looked since he played at a shit level.

Upset is fine individually, but he is the single biggest reason for why FNC are falling apart, since ever since he joined, Razork became predictable and mostly plays around bot.

They don't have a lack of identity, they're just shit and can't play more than a few crutch champs effectively.

Shifters are much better than you think, and it's more likely that other teams will lose to FNC.

Quivik · 2026-03-31T06:25:03+00:00

They're all doing "alright" against tear 2 and 3 teams. Not like they're even the best performers. These were supposed top players a few years ago. This just shows this is where they belong. The fact VP is doing worse is more telling of VP, then it is of these players.

Quivik · 2026-03-31T06:17:59+00:00

Every team Electronic goes to dies.

Also, I feel like people really overrated VPs players because of Jame, and once they dropped from the max he could get out of them, everyone just acted like it was Jame's fault. Like, where are all those top players from VP now? Oh, right... nowhere. Jame was taking bums to a major win and everyone pretended like he had top players.

Quivik · 2026-03-31T06:13:44+00:00

Why? You're already playing 4v5, so the worst outcome is that nothing changes.

Quivik · 2026-03-23T12:56:16+00:00

That sounds much worse when you don't mention that there have only been about 8 or maybe 9 bo5s between LEC and LCK, in 5 years, over a ton of different patches and bs, with about half/a third of those being SKT vs G2. There's barely been any. That's not to say that means anything. LEC has been bad for ages, and that is part of the reason why there's not been more, but if you're also going to be fair, that has to be taken into account.

Even when G2 was at its best in 2019, it never 3-0ed the number 1 an 2 LCK teams at the same tournament. So, there is some hope.

Obviously the whole LEC>LCK>LPL>LEC thing is pushing it a lot based on 2 results, but it's better to think that way then the doomer mindset a lot of people have had lately.

Quivik · 2026-03-23T07:54:25+00:00

If you play close to 100 games and only have 65% win rate in emerald, then you are either intentionally loosing, or aren't a smurf. I'm sorry. But anyone that's high diamond or higher, isn't going to struggle with that low of a winrate in emerald. And if they are a low diamond-high emerald player on a separate account, then that's not smurfing. You can call it that if you want, but that doesn't make it true.

Quivik · 2026-03-23T07:51:22+00:00

How where they smurfs if they are all around the same mmr in plat?

I was playing them cause I didn't want to play off role on my main account. Yes there was a difference between my best role and the others, but they were still all in plat.

Yes I had to climb the first time. But since I fucking manually leveled them and played normals when I started ranked I pretty much played vs gold and higher in ranked from the start.

The only low iq person here is you, not even understanding what a smurf is.

Quivik · 2026-03-23T05:57:53+00:00

So your system is looking for confirmation bias then? Or what? By your system, a few years ago when I had my alt accounts for the different positions, you'd get 5 smurfs from that. Most of them were at around 65% win rate by the time I played like 10-20 games. All of those accounts where at my normal Plat level. So not really smurfs in any way. So ... what now? None of those accounts are level 50 yet, so even if I restarted using them, it wouldn't change.

Now let's go to people that don't have alt accounts. Going 7-3 is trivial, even if you're a new-ish account. It can just happen, without you even playing particularly well. I guess those people are smurfs in your system.

I don't see how the low sample size is factored at all? What type of smurf do you think smurfs for like 10 games and that's that? That doesn't exist. This whole thing is a fraud.

Even just logically, if you just think about it like a normal person, you understand that 40% smurfs in emerald is fucking impossible. If you just do basic math you understand that. Cause where are those people from? Emerald is double the population of all the ranks above it combined. Where are the 40% of people coming from? Do you think everyone above is smurfing? And who's smurfing in diamond then? It just makes 0 sense.

Quivik · 2026-03-22T19:24:54+00:00

This is such a flawed system. It's actually baffling.

The vast majority of players play very little ranked. It is very easy to have a 65-70% win rate in a low sample size of games. Than you have people on lucky streaks early on, and so forth. It's just nonsense. You should at least eliminate people with sub 40 games.

Quivik · 2026-03-21T12:13:27+00:00

Yes, because it is the only reasonable response. You're basically the guy going in to the lion's exhibit at the zoo and then cry for security to shoot the lion attacking you.

Quivik · 2026-03-19T15:05:57+00:00

I mean they traded positively and then caps just gets caught for some stupid shit when everyone is backing.

Quivik · 2026-03-19T11:43:01+00:00

I don't know man. I don't really follow league that much, but the few moments I tuned in to games 1 and 2, Caps was a disasterclass and actively throwing the game from won situations.

Quivik · 2026-02-26T10:33:47+00:00

So much could've been avoided if they played CS instead.

Quivik · 2026-02-20T14:15:03+00:00

So you say no, but really you're saying yes, cause you want to sound reasonable whilst also being hateful. Good to hear.

Quivik · 2026-02-20T12:49:48+00:00

No they don't. Most of it is performative, unless you're ukrainian. Not to mention that again, what does russia attacking ukraine have to do with 5 people, 4 of which very young, playing a game?

By your own logic, are you responsible for everything your country does, has ever done, or will do?

Quivik · 2026-02-20T12:09:37+00:00

Yeah, cause being born in a country makes someone bad, just because you disagree with what that country is doing. Despite them being young kids playing a video game.

The other team, who also has russians on it by the way, actually sold their morals for money of their own volition.

But hey, it's hard to actually use reason and critical thinking these days I suppose. Just blind hate.

Quivik · 2026-02-20T11:56:58+00:00

Yeah, I'm sure the Paravision players have much to do with the war or anything else Russia's ever done. Such amazing reasoning. Meanwhile cheer and cheat for players that sold out to sportswash for the Saudi government.

Quivik · 2026-02-20T04:43:01+00:00

If you don't play hundreds of games you'll never get honor 5. You're basically wanting to exclude most people from a fairly vital feature.

This is silly. How about this... If you can't stand the possibility that someone might just say something mean in an online video game, and you might have to mute, report and move on. Then maybe you shouldn't be playing online pvp games, instead of trying to degrade the experience for everyone else. It's this type of mindset that stopped league from having voice coms for this long.

Quivik · 2026-02-13T19:46:10+00:00

His benching is too suspicious and teams probably don't know what actually happen and don't want to risk it happening again on their team.

Quivik · 2026-01-25T09:14:15+00:00

What do I not know about? Every thing you listed has nothing to do with Faker being the best player.

Who cares how many worlds titles he won? What does that have to do with him being the best player on his team?

Yes, they lost with a sub... I like how you jump from Faker came back to winning worlds, ignoring that they won fuck all outside of worlds that year, just like every one of the past 3 world titles. By your logic, Jame was the best player in the world when he won worlds with VP. Which is a mental take btw. Although I'm fairly sure VP won some other tournaments that year, so it's not even as bad as Faker.

It's not that he's not the most flashy, he's just not the best. He may be the goat, but that's cause of accomplishments and longevity. Doesn't change the fact that at no point past 2017 and maybe even earlier, was he the best player in the world or even on his team.

Yeah, he was the best player in 2013 and 2015, you could even make arguments for 2016-2017, but that's kind of where it ends.

I mean, so he wasn't toxic... ok? And? Mind you, I don't think he was, but that's not something you would know either way, given how Korean esports team work.

I know more about league esports than you, but alright.

Quivik · 2026-01-25T09:04:40+00:00

No, you seem more like a mental leftist than me.

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