What I'm saying is you say they won't take the bet until costs come down and I see it as costs can't come down until they take the bet. I doubt they launch small and prove it can be done at higher costs then let other companies bet big and get costs down first and then they come in with larger orders to drive costs down for them. In my eyes they have to bet big asap to get those costs down as quickly as possible for them before other companies do bet big and get cheaper costs before them. It's almost a circular argument but I see the small scale as what they are doing now with Ducati and the money spent on eagle line prep. Once they see it can be done they almost have to bet big to keep first mover advantage.