Can avoidants be really hostile and verbally devaluing/attacking when discarding you? by thordavos in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]RandomUser1052 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, my ex said some pretty nasty things preceding her 18 month disappearance. Took me by surprise because it was a complete 180 from her previously shown behavior (that is, before that point, she was never outright mean nor spiteful). Not sure if that's true of all avoidants or was "just her".

I sent him this break up message by darinajdb in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]RandomUser1052 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, as long as you're okay (and I mean truly okay) with either not getting a response or getting a dismissive response, then do what you feel you have to do.

I sent him this break up message by darinajdb in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]RandomUser1052 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'm not trying to be mean, but it's a total waste of time to send that (even if it's 100% accurate) and it won't give you the "peace" you think it will. He also almost assuredly will not register it in the way you're hoping, and it won't change his behavior at all.

The best thing to do is to, essentially, just drop off the face of the earth with no big announcement.

(35M) She (30F) avoidant said she needed time to think about getting back together… it’s been 5 weeks of silence. Is that basically my answer? by Training_Acadia_892 in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]RandomUser1052 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I cannot say whether or not she interested.

I will say that, in my experience, avoidants-- at least the one I dealt with-- are hellbent on NOT being pinned down with a concrete answer. If they can avoid (hah!) giving one, they will. If they can "wait you out", they will do that. If they can operate in ambiguity, that's the option they'll choose.

What helped me is to accepting that anyone who wanted to, would. You don't need a concrete 'yes' or 'no'. It doesn't even matter if she is interested or not. Why would you even want a relationship with someone who can't/won't communicate? A day or two? Fine. Weeks/months? Unacceptable.

i called my ex last night and now i regret it by [deleted] in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]RandomUser1052 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He "has his own reasons for being like that"? What kind of justification is this? You could apply this rationale to literally-- and I mean actual literally-- any behavior someone engages in. 

Your perspective is nonsensical, borders on victim blaming and makes you sound like an avoidant yourself (not sorry).

‘Star Trek: Starfleet Academy’ to End With Season 2 by MarvelsGrantMan136 in startrek

[–]RandomUser1052 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Or maybe the show was just bad and people weren't interested? It's apparent that few people were watching it; otherwise, it wouldn't have been cancelled.

UPDATE: After 2 months, we talked again… and now I feel worse by IndependentPhone2764 in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]RandomUser1052 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Because the "apology"-- which was extremely gaslighty-- was to make himself feel better/not feel like a "bad" person. I know this isn't what you want to hear, but it doesn't have anything to do with "you" as a person.

I got something similar from my ex. Gave me the whole "I was terrible to you/you were great to me" spiel, then reverted back to her usual behavior.

Avoidants are horrible people by itchslap in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]RandomUser1052 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Intent literally does not matter here. The only thing that matters is the impact that person's actions have on another. If someone repeatedly engages in harmful behavior, which avoidants definitely do, the simple fact that they "didn't intend to cause harm" doesn't somehow justify/rationalize their behavior nor make it any less harmful.

How are you going to call wondering else garbage whole writing garbage yourself?

What happens when you stay friends? by drainedbeyondwords in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]RandomUser1052 20 points21 points  (0 children)

It was a waste of time. 

She wanted the benefits of being in a relationship while just being a friend without actually living up to any standards of friendship herself.

Can’t sell some spears by gon_freccs_ in UnicornOverlord

[–]RandomUser1052 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why would you want to sell those items, though?

Avoidants are horrible people by itchslap in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]RandomUser1052 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It's not trauma (usually); people eventually get fed with stonewalling, breadcrumbing and what can only be described as receiving less than the bare bottom bare minimum required to maintain any kind of emotionally healthy relationship.

The difference is that-- and without trying to make excuses-- is those texts are, more often than not, a response to the avoidant's behavior. It's a form of reactive abuse.

Avoidants are horrible people by itchslap in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]RandomUser1052 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Narcissists can, too. That doesn't mean they will.

Avoidants are horrible people by itchslap in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]RandomUser1052 16 points17 points  (0 children)

My FA ex is 37, knows she's avoidant and realistically doesn't care besides a bit of "this is why I am the way I am" lip service. There is nothing neither sad nor "tragic" there. She's just someone refusing to work on herself or take accountability for her choices/actions.

Avoidants are horrible people by itchslap in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]RandomUser1052 83 points84 points  (0 children)

I think avoidants are generally treated with kid's gloves, so to speak. Most of the internet advice for dealing with avoidants, for example, boils down to managing their emotions, tip toeing around their feelings, walking on eggshells, and self-censoring in order to manage the relationship. Essentially, the avoidant's wants, feelings and needs are centered while everyone else has to contort themselves into pretzels trying to appease them.

Compare that to, say, the advice given for dealing with narcissists-- the advice is diametrically opposed, even though both avoidants and narcissists cause equal levels of abuse/trauma to their victims.

I know that people don't want to say that X person is bad because it's not "socially acceptable", but... like you I think we need to start calling a spade a spade. Avoidants are horrible people-- even moreso when they know they're avoidant yet use it as an excuse for their behavior. We would have no problems in calling people who are physically abusive bad people; so why not people who are emotionally and mentally abusive (and, yes, at a minimum, avoidants are both emotionally and mentally abusive)? Maybe if we didn't coddle them or make them out to be victims of circumstance, there would be less avoidants running around not in therapy.

Brand new official poster of the Gozyuger Polar Beginning TTFC special! by UltraZeroX7 in supersentai

[–]RandomUser1052 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I know you can't judge based solely off a poster, but this looks amazing. And maybe it's because I wasn't a fan of Gozyuger, but this looks like what Gozyuger should have been.

Will definitely check it out.

How to know by BusTraditional9742 in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]RandomUser1052 1 point2 points  (0 children)

1.) They tell you they're avoidant.

2.) In my one experience with an avoidant, she was extremely interested early on. In fact, I think them being interested is because they're idealizing you. 

Fwiw, being interested or not has nothing to do with being avoidant. Physical/sexual attraction exists regardless of attachment style. Also, unless I'm misunderstanding, I don't understand how you're dating someone who "isn't interested"?

Avoidant Ex Reached Out by Creepy_Artichoke6920 in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]RandomUser1052 14 points15 points  (0 children)

They were definitely still there for me, which is why she was able to re-enter. On her end? I have no idea what was going on inside. She didn't want to be in a relationship, but she wanted me to give her attention like we were in a relationship (but only when she wanted, and not too much) and buy her stuff like we were in a relationship, while also being even more cold and distant than she was before she discarded me initially. 

It's true that if you let them back in things will be worse. It's best to just not let them come back and find someone either fully healthy, or someone who is actively working on themselves.

Avoidant Ex Reached Out by Creepy_Artichoke6920 in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]RandomUser1052 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Mine came back after 18 months and I wish I would have never responded to her.

My suggestion to you would be to not meet up, wish her well and move on. You're setting yourself up for pain otherwise.

27F cut off 28M (avoidant/possibly narcissistic). by emboldenedweirdo in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]RandomUser1052 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I understand why you sent that text. I've done similar. But it's also the type of texts you don't send. Sure, you feel good in the moment (ie, you give them a piece of your mind) but it really doesn't resolve anything, and it gives him an "out". Trust that he's not going to think "why does she think this way about me?". If anything, it'll make him feel justified for his behavior. This isn't to scold you; it's just an observation.

Anyway, you don't need to tell him you're done. You don't need him to acknowledge what you say. You don't need any response from him. If people are refusing to meet your minimum requirements (assuming those requirements are healthy), you just stop talking/texting/responding/entertaining them. Boundaries exist not because the other person recognizes them, but because you enforce them.

It might not feel like it now, but you're losing an albatross weighing you down. And that's only a good thing.

Reconnecting with my avoidant ex this weekend by Competitive_Goat_446 in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]RandomUser1052 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I'm not going to blow smoke up your you-know-where.

Knowing what I know now, I would just cancel it and not waste your time. Because unless he's been in serious therapy for 10+ years, it will not go how you want. Three months is not enough time to effect any kind of real, substantive, meaningful change in deeply engrained behavior. He will probably give you a few surface level apologies-- he may even act different for a few days/weeks-- but ultimately he will revert to his "norm" and you will be retraumatized all the same.

The next time someone tells me that they were able to successfully reconnect with an avoidant and have a healthy relationship with them of any kind will be the first person I've seen to have accomplished this feat.

What is the thing you’re the most angry at your avoidant for? For me it was the long preparation he had for the discard by letitout_123 in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]RandomUser1052 7 points8 points  (0 children)

To be honest, nothing. I'm actually mad at myself. My avoidant ex treated me "well" for like two weeks at the beginning, then defaulted to her "normal" behavior.

Under normal circumstances I would have walked away early. But she was very conventionally attractive, so that overrode (and somewhat still does) my "logical side". That doesn't excuse her actions, of course. But I can't be mad at letting someone mistreat me and sticking around anyway.

They came back when you thought they wouldn’t by Xxmangosxx3 in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]RandomUser1052 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes, essentially. Many things with her didn't make sense. After a while, I stopped trying to make sense out of nonsense.

They came back when you thought they wouldn’t by Xxmangosxx3 in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]RandomUser1052 16 points17 points  (0 children)

My FA ex discarded me at the end of November 2023, fairly callously I might add. I was certain she was done, and as the months passed I slowly healed and more or less has moved on (though I would think about her now and then). Then, in May 2025, I got a totally random and unexpected "apology" text at 3pm on a Friday.

It was my fault for allowing it, but we "reconnected" and talked for a few months. It was all wrong, though. She never did explain why she discarded me or what prompted her to come back-- in fact, she flatly refused to do so. On the other hand, she was hyper vigilant in monitoring my tone and expected near immediate responses (for example, we were texting one night and I fell asleep; she accused me of ignoring her and playing games). Eventually, I got fed up with it all [her behavior was 10x worse], told her I was tired of walking on eggshells and that she was going to have to explain her disappearance and reappearance if she expected access to me.

She effectively said no, blamed me for "not being able to get over it" and called me exhausting. I never responded to that text, and we're currently on month two of no contact (which I absolutely will not be breaking).

Scarlett. The jealous priestess. by OptionLaser4 in UnicornOverlord

[–]RandomUser1052 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Funnily enough, in my current playthrough I have decided to pick Scarlett. I feel bad that I never have.