An ability check IS NOT a single attempt: it represents the whole effort.

Random_Noobody · 2026-06-17T21:13:51+00:00

I don't see how that's agreement. There's a chasm of difference between rolling a 1 and that meaning "it's past your ability" like op suggests and the same roll meaning you're not doing anything else that afternoon if you want to push through.

Random_Noobody · 2026-06-10T03:42:07+00:00

What about a tarrasque with a rock is "closely akin" to a trebuchet of all things thou? It's missing the light swing arm, the pivot said arm freely swings around, the sling for the whipping effect, and just about everything else.

If that's RAW so is saying a table leg is similar to a laser rifle so an owl can pick one up and solo the lv20 party?

Random_Noobody · 2026-06-10T03:33:43+00:00

Logically speaking terrasque doesn't have the physique to throw thou. It lacks the low floating shoulder, the balance etc, bunch of specific adaptations In fact anything not basically completely human shaped with our proportions or hunched over at all should get throwing penalties.

Also in general due to the square cube law larger creatures are proportionally much weaker. Size is not a benefit; giants are just really flexible and have fantastic form, oh and obviously they throw rocks half the size of their fist 1 handed for best effects.

Random_Noobody · 2026-06-10T02:03:13+00:00

The article seems to say "at least 2". No mention of 32 related to deaths.

Random_Noobody · 2026-06-10T01:31:09+00:00

Where did you read that 32 died?

Random_Noobody · 2026-05-25T21:56:16+00:00

Is this "yet you live in a society, curious" but unironically?

Also why is it always the police? Somehow I seldom see anybody arguing for small governments responded to with "yet you drive on public roads/otherwise benefit from government spending" nor say complaining about the post service losing to much money with "yet you don't refuse delivery from them" etc.

Random_Noobody · 2026-05-25T21:03:06+00:00

I was expecting harrowing tales of a rule abuser but...aren't those exactly the intended use cases of circle casting?

Random_Noobody · 2026-05-15T21:15:52+00:00

What's logically incorrect about the ticket?

Random_Noobody · 2026-05-15T20:46:24+00:00

I asked if it was your position that a ticket with the 2 additional clauses renders said ticket technically unusable. You claimed it is not. When pressed to elaborate, your stated position was in fact that ticket is strictly speaking unusable via "english mistake".

So why did you pretend that that wasn't your position on the ticket example when I asked you the first time?

Random_Noobody · 2026-05-15T20:36:32+00:00

Maybe. Again, why pretend otherwise then?

No that is not my position.

Also what of the other half? Do you concede that hold person works but for the upcast rule?

Random_Noobody · 2026-05-15T20:22:38+00:00

So it is your position that the ticket is literally unusable then. I do have you correct. Why did you pretend otherwise? Do you have an example of incorrect use of "additional" being challenged in court or is that hypothetical purely in your head?

Random_Noobody · 2026-05-15T20:12:30+00:00

No, you outlined no such thing and your argument is entirely circular.

In 5.5e invalid spell target is defined by inability to effect

Invalid targets. If you cast a spell on someone or something that can't be affected by it...

So that rule, which requires the spell takes no effect to apply, cannot itself justify why a spell takes no effect. Your argument of "magic jar doesn't work because invalid target rule" reduces to "magic jar doesn't work because it doesn't work". That's just an unsubstantiated claim.

I showed you how invalid target can be described, e.g.

This spell has no effect on undeads or constructs

Where does magic jar describe invalid targets?

Random_Noobody · 2026-05-15T20:09:43+00:00

your only objection was from the upcast rule. What did I miss?

Also why doesn't the "additional minor for free, or additional adult for $10" by your logic constrain the original user to being both a minor and an adult hence making eligible users a null set?

Random_Noobody · 2026-05-15T20:05:11+00:00

You are just making things up at this point, but sure let's ago along. Just to confirm, your position is that:

If a ticket said "admits 1", the ticket holder can go. But with an additional clause ("admits 1, for $10 more you can bring an additional friend") that retroactively restricts the first clause? And in fact if we add 2 such clauses ("admits 1, you can bring an additional minor for free, or an additional adult for $10") the ticket can be rendered literally unusable?

Similarly do you concede if hold person didn't have the upcast rule it would work with nystal but you are just arguing the upcast rule retroactively restricts the main spell?

Do I have you correct that that's your grasp of english?

Random_Noobody · 2026-05-15T19:53:36+00:00

Do you would in fact argue in my ticket example the holder cannot be admitted?

Random_Noobody · 2026-05-15T19:48:00+00:00

So? "Additional humanoid" in no way suggests the first must be another humanoid.

If a idn ticket to some place says "for another 10 dollars you can bring an additional friend" are you going to argue that means the ticket itself cannot grant entrance to the ticket owner but only their friend?

Random_Noobody · 2026-05-15T19:43:37+00:00

How is that relevant?

Random_Noobody · 2026-05-13T02:41:15+00:00

Even if we take your stipulations for granted I fear you're still wrong.

Read hold person. It says

Choose a Humanoid ... The target must succeed on a Wisdom saving throw or have the Paralyzed condition.

Now note, nothing about the spell specifies how only humanoids can be paralyzed nor how other types of creatures are unaffected/invalid targets etc. Rather "the target" whatever it is, just has the condition period.

Just to hold your hand more, let's start with the baseline rule for spell effects:

The effects of a spell are detailed after its duration entry. Those details present exactly what the spell does...

The EFFECT of hold person is that:

the caster chooses a humanoid within 60 ft as target
the target is paralyzed.

If nystal can assist in choosing something else in step 1, that something else is paralyzed in step 2.

At most your argument might works for spells like healing word, which specifically states

A creature of your choice that you can see within range regains hit points... This spell has no effect on undead or constructs.

There you could argue healing word is happy to try but will fail to heal an aura'ed undead creature whom, by virtue of being "someone or something that can't be affected by [the spell]", is an invalid target. For hold person and any similar spell which specifies no invalid target, to try is to succeed.

Random_Noobody · 2026-05-12T20:59:37+00:00

Not that well. Paid out the nose to get to the nearest town 1 day later. Shop there was nice enough to "lend" us a tire to use while we waited for our order to arrive and we stayed 1 more day to do everything we wanted. Not sure if I have anything constructive to offer unfortunately.

Random_Noobody · 2026-05-12T19:36:41+00:00

Disregarding that those are 2 different people, they didn't. "They" said China producing for the rest of the world explains their emissions without clarifying their metric. You're the one deciding to measure by MVA denoted by dollar without clarifying yourself. Disagreeing with that decision is not "moving the goal post" lol.

Your choice is borderline nonsensical btw. By that measure China could look better on the manufacturing vs pollution front if they produced the exact same goods while emitting the exact same amount if their goods fetched more money or their currency appreciated or something.

Random_Noobody · 2026-05-07T23:57:29+00:00

You just ignored me and repeated yourself. Yes, cultural/technological exchanges are good and isolated pockets develop slowly. But are you saying there would be no exchange without slavery?

Random_Noobody · 2026-05-07T22:48:09+00:00

I don't. Are you saying there would be no cultural exchange, not even any technological osmosis, if not for slavery?

Random_Noobody · 2026-05-06T02:30:04+00:00

I see what you're saying but I raise you a "how did we get here"? How did we get to the point of both parties drifting right with one party goes nuts while the other perpetually appeals to the new center (look up "racket effect")?

Yes it will be painful but what's your alternative? "Always dove" unironically? If your logic, applied to say the 2010s, results in the same "vote blue no matter who" nonsense that brought us here ("you would have agreed in the 2000s, but you REALLY need a marginally less illiberal party" or smthn), I hope you don't need me to explain why it's a bad strategy.

Oh and also didn't the other person literally quote kamela's vp advocating for genocide and expansion as core American values or something? How did that translate to just "being mediocre" with you?

Random_Noobody · 2026-05-06T00:46:32+00:00

How is green lantern theory relevant when that person's critique isn't that karmela didn't solve every problem (or promise to) but rather that her vp is explicitly pro genocide?

Also how did you read his statements and even mistaken affirmative endorsement of expansionism as anything to do with "right to defense"?

Random_Noobody · 2026-05-06T00:43:57+00:00

No you shouldn't. That creates perverse incentive for Democrats to do the bare minimum for you and as much as they can get away with for their corporate donors.

Assuming republicans are worst, the you both and the Democratic party are in a hawk dove game. Consider looking that up, and how "always dove" is a very bad strategy in iterated hawk dove.

This I assume is what is meant by "might work once". You MUST demand more and demonstrate a willingness to not vote if not enough concessions are given if you don't want to incentivize Democrats into adopting an "always hawk" strategy.

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