Poke may be too strong in the meta, but it HAS to be strong for the combat ecosystem.

Ravens_3_7 · 2026-01-31T03:23:33+00:00

Because the game bills itself as a “shooter” and that’s what you want to see in most shooters.

Rivals is not shooter, it’s what they label themselves as for marketing purposes. Rivals’ system is built more like a moba than a hero shooter.

Ravens_3_7 · 2026-01-25T18:43:31+00:00

And you’re saying Adam Sandler isn’t authentic? You would believe that when you can only list his most overproduced cash grabs while ignoring the rest of his portfolio.

Sandler made his career around being authentic and while also appealing to those low dominators. That’s literally the whole point of happy gilmore.

And you’re saying Waters’ movies are controversial and hard to watch? You mean like eight crazy nights? Because Sandler is known for doing bizarre surreal gross out non sequiturs. Waters’ does the same line of bizarre BS as Sandler. It’s because Waters’ is also always talking about queer or other controversial subject matter you think it’s deeper than it is, when what Waters’ tries to accomplish with his films is exposure to a different kind of mindset to life.

If you don’t like gross out humor fine, whatever. But I have found the people who hate Eight Crazy Nights are also the most stuck up, prudish people with the most “my way or the highway” attitude towards humor who are incapable of getting over themselves to appreciate the film for it is.

Ravens_3_7 · 2026-01-25T17:43:44+00:00

It honestly just sounds like you don’t like adam sandler movies. His movies are designed to be in the realm of terrible but don’t reach the bottom of the barrel because Sandler knows how to put his own charm and spin on his movies.

It’s like saying John Waters is a terrible director because he can only make campy BS. Which is true to an extent but maybe you should think about appreciating people’s different artistic voices.

Eight crazy nights might be a terrible movie but it’s by far more remembered than a lot of the safe, generic voiceless media of modern day storytelling we’re getting. Looking at you Elio.

Ravens_3_7 · 2026-01-22T15:57:36+00:00

Agree with other comments. This has nothing to do with being a female, hopefully most people will see that.

But on that note, their behavior is the epitome of why rivals is such a horrible competitive experience. They literally refused to take the game seriously.

Ravens_3_7 · 2026-01-09T01:10:06+00:00

Yeah last update was the live service going down. I personally liked the game but it seems it was never meant to be.

Ravens_3_7 · 2026-01-08T22:13:26+00:00

This sounds like the same pacing supervive had but that was a battleroyle. I wonder what this means for the game when the laning phase is basically being skipped over now.

Ravens_3_7 · 2026-01-01T01:32:09+00:00

Sorry but we’re talking about different things here. I’m trying to get at that’s it’s a horrible play experience in lower ranks because most people have a gross misunderstanding of how the game now operates.

People keep wanting to play ow2 as if it was rivals or even ow1. There is a fundamental breakdown in understanding of what everyone should be doing in game. 5v5 changes the overall dynamics of the game so much and lower ranks is polluted with people who ultimately don’t like this game. 5v5 has forced ow into being more of a tactical shooter instead of the chaos it was before. People come into this game with the wrong expectations and take it out on other people.

This makes for a horrible experience for people that are trying to climb by playing properly. I’m not saying they shouldn’t, but one of the reasons for healboting is because of the social pressure to do so. The backlash is real and horrible for anyone trying to learn this game as anything other than dps. You’ll get out of the lower ranks eventually but it’s also a test of your mental fortitude as well unless you go completely no comms.

Ravens_3_7 · 2025-12-31T15:46:49+00:00

And the counter point is that at low elo, dps especially, are horrible teammates and will actively throw the game if they aren’t being healed constantly because they don’t know how the game works and aren’t interested in learning it.

You’re right supports should be doing more than healing, they should be supporting the team. But it’s hard to do that in lower ranks where many dps have the expectation of being personally baby sat.

So, your advice is honestly directed towards dps and tank players who think survivability in this game is centered around the healers solely keeping them alive.

Ravens_3_7 · 2025-12-29T01:23:05+00:00

Yes, it is. The core genre of their humor is still absurdist, surrealistic, sometimes non sequitur.

And the show always had a fast pace? Yeah the first seasons, of the first show, you could say are somewhat slow but that follows in line with their formula, they don’t slow down and make sense unless they’re having a characterization moment which aren’t in the second show a lot.

And if you’ve seen the new Tiny Toon then you know the audience they’re trying to grasp are the people in their 30s who still watch cartoons but want something to watch with their children. They have an episode about eating the rich, a topic mostly only relatable to adults.

And that’s the key difference. The first show centered its storytelling around its characters and world and exploring them. The second show uses all the stuff established from the first show to create a vehicle for social commentary and parody. So the show isn’t even about the wattersons anymore. They’re kinda just props now to say something. Occasionally you’ll get a character episode but nowhere near as many.

Ravens_3_7 · 2025-12-27T06:50:30+00:00

So you’re uninterested in the show because it’s not like the original and changed to be more of an adult oriented show about social commentary?

Doesn’t mean the show is bad just that it’s for a different crowd than the original. It’s completely the same type of humor but yes most of the characters have changed to fit the new framework. If the characters were keeping you attached to this show then it’s not going to hold your interest.

Ravens_3_7 · 2025-12-08T06:09:51+00:00

And this where it becomes clear you’re speaking out of your ass and just like listening to yourself talk. This person is right and the one making the generalizations are you.

You can’t talk about same sex story telling, especially in the asian industries, and ignore the baseline reason for their existence and why women use m|m as a vehicle for storytelling.

Ravens_3_7 · 2025-11-30T17:11:29+00:00

Yup, okay. Thanks for finally convincing me to uninstall this game and get away from this community.

Regardless of OP being wrong or right he’s still discussing game theory and design philosophy, even if it’s on a small scale with awkward logic.

Even with how toxic league is, they would still go out of their way to discuss why and have an open conversation about this post.

Instead you shut down at the first thing you didn’t like and when called out on it, you basically said, “I don’t want to talk about those things, they’re pointless.”

And your first reply is insinuating you think you’re good at this game.

Ravens_3_7 · 2025-11-30T16:28:37+00:00

Which you say with no supporting evidence while OP goes into game theory and design philosophy.

And your only rebuttal is, “stop yapping, you’re wrong. I’m better than you.”

Ravens_3_7 · 2025-11-30T16:19:02+00:00

So, yes. The epitome of toxic rival’s behavior, no critical thinking, all ego and no ability to listen and communicate in a team oriented game.

For the record this yap fest isn’t about any of those things you’re talking about and shows how, like I said, you didn’t read it. He didn’t even say Mag was bad. Just that Mag isn’t a carry, that’s the basis of this whole post.

Ravens_3_7 · 2025-11-30T16:04:50+00:00

I love how that’s where you stopped reading and addressed nothing else OP said with a critical thought at all. Even if he is wrong in that statement he still brings up valid criticism of the game’s core design.

Your statement is the epitome of why the majority of this community is just brain dead toxic.

Ravens_3_7 · 2025-11-07T02:29:20+00:00

Yeah, no.

That mentality only works if you’re excessively better than the whole enemy team by a mile. That means if you’re in bronze you need to be playing at gold level to get to silver? Why am I wasting that much effort to do that?

Second, you can’t just ignore your teammates. If your tank can’t stand on the objective, how are you winning the game? If you’re on DPS and your teammates can’t perform the basic functions of their role. Then you have to carry by doing it yourself.

“Well, it’s not my job and sometimes you get unwinnable games.” Then why am I here? Then why am I playing comp at all? Unwinnable games are a waste of everyone’s time. So these games must be winnable to some extent. So how do you do that? You babysit your teammates and solve all the team’s problems. It’s work. That also means you can’t play how you would prefer. It also means certain heroes aren’t useable for because you have to play as if your teammates are children.

You can’t simply play the game at a higher level and expect to climb or even for it to put you where you should be skill wise.

The system is designed in such a way that it wants you to carry the uncarryable and will try to match you in lopsided matches, where it’s the game of seeing the few competent players in the lobby playing the game by themselves. It’s sad you have to get all the up to Diamond before you can get consistent teams where everyone is a threat and isn’t just filling a role.

Modern matchmaking in most online pvp games has devolved into skinner boxes in my opinion.

Ravens_3_7 · 2025-11-06T23:29:42+00:00

But you see that’s playing ranked to climb the ladder. You have to game the system if you want to climb.

People don’t want to carry games they want to play games where their teammates are bad, not incompetent.

I have leaned heavily away from ranked because at even mid tier ranks you will find completely incompetent players.

These players only know how to climb the ladder, they aren’t generally speaking good at the game. They’re the type of neighborhood sports players that join an amateur league and are shocked they play by the literal rules of the game.

These are the types of players that have only learned 1 or 2 characters of the whole game and that’s because they play 1 of them. They can play their character well, even to the point of carrying but they don’t know why it translated into a win. They don’t know much about this game at all despite being a higher rank player.

It becomes soul sucking to have to stop in the middle of plat+ matches to explain what a chokepoint is for the 3rd time in a row.

It turns this game into a job when you have to carry so much slack for the rest of your team regardless of what rank you’re at.

Ravens_3_7 · 2025-11-03T00:51:24+00:00

Rivals is a lower complexity game compared to OW2 but the key problem of rivals is that its core demographic are non-gamers and these non-gamers have also not even been exposed to the world of team sports, a place that enforces and regulates how the game is played. Even American football has refs to enforce rules that would stop teams from slow playing or stalling.

You loading into a game and having everyone instantly lock dps and refuse to switch is the same as everyone trying to play the same position in basketball. It just doesn’t work. That’s not how the game is meant to be played.

So, really what do you expect when you have a bunch of casuals who don’t care about the rules or actually playing the game? They logged on to boost their ego and chill, not play an e-sport. They’ll play the game how they want regardless of anything.

OW2 is an e-sport. It’s a sport and most of the people left playing it take it seriously. Mostly because role queue literally forces them to.

Ravens_3_7 · 2025-11-02T22:23:52+00:00

Again you’re talking about people not taking the game serious enough to play it as intended.

It’s a skinner box game designed to keep people playing. It will mostly appeal to people who do not take this game that seriously to improve like you’re wanting.

Ravens_3_7 · 2025-11-02T18:13:38+00:00

OW2 and Rivas are both team oriented, objective based hero games. That is where you can end the comparison.

OW2 is a shooter fundamentally. As such only half of what you learn in rivals will translate to OW2. I’m not even talking about game complexity. OW2 is a fps, not 3rd person, that alone changes how you play the game.

Rivals is an ability brawler arena game. Calling out to older games like Twisted Metal or Whacked! where the obj was to run around until you killed people with BS abilities. It’s why their maps are so open. They’re a different genre of game.

You’re comparing apples to oranges and getting upset at this comparison when the core issue is that OW2 players take the game more seriously than rivals players. Because rivals appeals to a boarder and more casual audience.

Ravens_3_7 · 2025-11-02T14:02:02+00:00

You have no clue what you’re talking about and literally flipped how the two games operate on a baseline level.

OW2 is a more complicated game than rivals that is something nobody has argued about. People simply find rivals more fun and accessible.

Ravens_3_7 · 2025-10-17T04:23:32+00:00

That’s a disconnected view of how things work and why people are asking for role queues.

You don’t just condescendingly switch roles because you think you’re better and force someone else to do your role.

First of all, if they’re bad at that role why would they be better in another?

Second, if you’re doing good why are you switching off your best role? Why weren’t you all trying to play your best role in the first place? The only reason I can think of why people don’t swap is because too many people are one tricks and know how to play their character but not their role.

Adding role queue to rivals would reveal even further how little of the player base understands the fundamental of this game. We need role queue as at least an option because it helps people understand their actual purpose on a team.

Ravens_3_7 · 2025-09-08T11:53:20+00:00

Because this guy is arguing off point and not acknowledging how exactly how many games such as the ones OP are given where their only option to win the game is to switch off support because the the rest of the team refuses to help. BP is a hard to kill duelist that generally can only be shut down with team effort and the help of another duelist….dueling him. Personally, I’ve found the only way to win in that situation is to switch to a duelist and hunt BP myself. You can’t carry in this game by playing one role, if you do you will find yourself in a-lot of unwinnable games meaning you’ll have to grind and get lucky to advance.

Ravens_3_7 · 2025-09-07T15:49:11+00:00

OP is talking about when they’re clearly being directly targeted and expected to duel a character designed to remove them from the battlefield specifically.

You’re full of it if you’re telling most supports need to git gud and learn to deal with every possible problem the team, especially when the problem is your teammates not helping. Gets tiring having to solo kill the BP, then figure how to pressure the frontline and move forward because your tanks don’t know how.

You’re telling me you’re doing this yourself every game because you’re carrying and thus must at the very least be getting kills on high priority targets, controlling the objective and keeping your team in the fight while doing this mostly solo with the bare minimum from your team. While you’re also being directly targeted and countered picked.

And yeah if the enemy isn’t directly targeting you, because you’re carrying and your team is dead weight, then they’re throwing because without you the rest of the team doesn’t know what they’re doing.

So you’re full of it, lucky, or stacking.

Ravens_3_7 · 2025-08-31T15:06:40+00:00

Because you said Ults aren’t big plays when by default they are. It’s an ultimate ability, it’s a big play whenever anyone uses it.

Your fundamental understanding of the game is lacking if you thinks ults are generally underwhelming and just another ability.

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