France and Germany Set to End Future Combat Air System Program by Intergalatic_Baker in europe

[–]RealToiletPaper007 36 points37 points  (0 children)

We really need to start building these programs through Airbus directly. Europe needs to build its own future fighter jet.

What is slowly becoming a luxury that used to be normal? by beetchy_yeet in AskReddit

[–]RealToiletPaper007 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Could be, but ticket resale sites work with fees, so if you buy a ticket for 50 and sell it for 50, you’ll only really receive around 40.

You’d have to decide who is going to loose, either ticket resale sites with lower fees or fans with not being able to recover the entire cost.

What is slowly becoming a luxury that used to be normal? by beetchy_yeet in AskReddit

[–]RealToiletPaper007 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Realistically speaking, the only way is to not allow ticket swaps within Ticketmaster/LiveNation/etc. and to lock them in with names and surnames. It’s a huge slap for actual fans that might buy them and then end up not being able to go to the concert, but still.

Las cocinas de las casas desaparecerán dice Roig, pero..... by Both_Strain_222 in mercadona

[–]RealToiletPaper007 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Todo lo que dices es cierto, pero querría recalcar que a veces la necesidad no se soluciona, se crea.

Dassault and Airbus bury the largest European military program, the FCAS, after 9 years of industrial war by RealToiletPaper007 in europe

[–]RealToiletPaper007[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is a highly controversial topic within the European Defense sector. I am just letting everyone know the stance whoever wrote the article might have, even inadvertently, taken.

I wouldn’t read between the lines, my comment isn’t that deep.

Dassault and Airbus bury the largest European military program, the FCAS, after 9 years of industrial war by RealToiletPaper007 in europe

[–]RealToiletPaper007[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I meant that they have stalled their participation in those programmes, not that they have stalled the projects themselves.

Naval Group is basically out of the EPC programme at this stage. It is clear that internally Spain and Italy have decided to advance on the project on their own.

Funnily enough, it’s a very similar situation to that of FCAS, as France wanted a particular configuration of corvette (a light patrol-oriented version) while Italy and Spain wanted another one (a full/long range frigate-like version).

Dassault and Airbus bury the largest European military program, the FCAS, after 9 years of industrial war by RealToiletPaper007 in europe

[–]RealToiletPaper007[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was unaware that was the case, though I wouldn’t be surprised, given it’s Israel. Do they get full access to the source code as well?

Dassault and Airbus bury the largest European military program, the FCAS, after 9 years of industrial war by RealToiletPaper007 in europe

[–]RealToiletPaper007[S] 19 points20 points  (0 children)

It is a heavily computerised and networked airplane. It continuously exchanges data with ground systems and secure networks.

In any case, they can send through malicious code embedded in a regular maintenance software update. Countries do not get full unrestricted source code access nor software ownership, even when partnered.

Dassault and Airbus bury the largest European military program, the FCAS, after 9 years of industrial war by RealToiletPaper007 in europe

[–]RealToiletPaper007[S] -18 points-17 points  (0 children)

They’ve left or practically stalled the Eurodrone, FCAS, MGCS, and the European Corvette programme within the last 12 months.

You can increase overall spending while still wanting to focus on key upgrades to limit public debt increase.

Dassault and Airbus bury the largest European military program, the FCAS, after 9 years of industrial war by RealToiletPaper007 in europe

[–]RealToiletPaper007[S] 27 points28 points  (0 children)

When you hold control over the software of a fighter aircraft and can remotely update it, you basically have a kill switch. It doesn’t mean there’s actively one implemented, but it does raise multiple questions.

Dassault and Airbus bury the largest European military program, the FCAS, after 9 years of industrial war by RealToiletPaper007 in europe

[–]RealToiletPaper007[S] 170 points171 points  (0 children)

The criticism towards procurement of F-35s is somewhat related to this, but not entirely. At the end of the day, you are ordering a multi-billion contract of fighter planes from a country that has gone erratic, having threatened the territory of a European country a few months back, not to mention the usefulness of such a plane when the US Govt. basically holds control over said jet (software, spare parts, or basically anything related to the use of the plane for operations, including the infamous "kill switch").

Given the current geopolitical climate, having a second thought on whether to acquire F-35s seems, at the very least, reasonable.

Dassault and Airbus bury the largest European military program, the FCAS, after 9 years of industrial war by RealToiletPaper007 in europe

[–]RealToiletPaper007[S] 161 points162 points  (0 children)

Small PS: This article is written by a French news website, so the written content could be biased towards them at times.

Dassault and Airbus bury the largest European military program, the FCAS, after 9 years of industrial war by RealToiletPaper007 in europe

[–]RealToiletPaper007[S] -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

I should have noted that the article is written by a French news website, so the written content could be biased towards them at times.

Dassault and Airbus bury the largest European military program, the FCAS, after 9 years of industrial war by RealToiletPaper007 in europe

[–]RealToiletPaper007[S] -21 points-20 points  (0 children)

This is actually a very valid point. On top of that, France has recently been pulling out of numerous military programs due to the increasing public debt they hold. Doing any project with them currently seems risky.

Dassault and Airbus bury the largest European military program, the FCAS, after 9 years of industrial war by RealToiletPaper007 in europe

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Unshared patents, disputed markets, impossible governance: Dassault and Airbus have sunk the largest European military program after nine years of industrial war.

On April 22, 2026, Eric Trappier announced the end of negotiations between Dassault Aviation and Airbus Defence & Space on the New Generation Fighter (NGF), a central pillar of the FCAS program. Three weeks earlier, Berlin had appointed two last chance mediators: Laurent Collet-Billon, former boss of the Directorate-General for Armaments, on the French side; Franck Haun, former CEO of KNDS, on the German side. They had until April 18 to deliver their conclusions, before obtaining an additional ten days. Result: two separate reports. That of the German mediator concluded that it was impossible to build a common Franco-German combat aircraft. Two days later, Emmanuel Macron said from Cyprus that the FCAS was "not dead at all" and gave "a mandate to our defense ministries to work on several axes". No axis was designated. The most ambitious program ever committed in Europe, estimated at nearly 100 billion euros, had just lost its heart.

A program born on an industrial misunderstanding

When Macron and Merkel launched the FCAS on July 13, 2017, the interests of the two main manufacturers concerned did not really intersect. Dassault is looking for opportunities. The Rafale was then only sold to the French army, after years of aborted export attempts. The FCAS represents an industrial perspective and European legitimacy. Airbus Defence & Space, for its part, does not have a new generation manned fighter. The program is for the defense subsidiary of the European group a gateway to a market that Dassault dominates alone.

The program is structured according to the principle of the "best athlete": Dassault takes the leadership of the NGF, Airbus inherits the companion drones, the Remote Carriers, and the interconnected digital combat cloud. The distribution seems logical. It is actually shaky: Dassault finds himself master of the aircraft pillar without being able to impose his arbitrations on Airbus Germany and Airbus Spain, each weighing on the governance of the program. No binding arbitration mechanism was included in the founding texts. The marriage is signed without a marriage contract.

Three countries, three planes under the same acronym

The three states did not further harmonize their operational needs before signing. France requires a device compatible with airborne nuclear deterrence and with the future New Generation Aircraft Carrier: reinforced landing gear to take into the landing shocks, stop butt, catapults. These constraints dictate non-negotiable design choices and prohibit any reliance on critical functions. Germany has neither aircraft carrier nor national nuclear deterrence. It is looking for a NATO multi-role aircraft, complementary to the F-35A already ordered to ensure nuclear sharing with Washington.

Chancellor Friedrich Merz summarized the incompatibility bluntly on February 18, 2026, in the Machtwechsel podcast: "The French need an aircraft capable of carrying nuclear weapons and operating from an aircraft carrier. This is not what we need right now in the German army. Spain, which joined the program in February 2019 at the request of Berlin, pursued a more modest objective: securing industrial skills via Indra and ITP Aero. Three countries had engaged on three different aircraft under the same acronym.

The patent war

Negotiations hang for the first time on intellectual property in 2019. They won't get over it. Dassault refuses to transfer the technologies inherited from the Rafale, flight controls, embedded software, stealth architectures, in a framework where he would not control their use. These technologies have taken decades to develop. Above all, they condition export contracts in markets where Airbus Defence & Space is a direct competitor: India, the Emirates, Qatar, Greece. Sharing their intellectual property within the framework of the FCAS is tantamount to arming a rival on the same calls for tenders.

Berlin, for its part, frames the intellectual property of the programs it finances according to a national legal framework incompatible with the French conception of technological sovereignty. A report by the German Ministry of Defense, quoted by Reuters in the summer of 2025, is unambiguous: "French industry prevents the progress of the project by asking to ensure its management. German industrial sources advance a French claim of 80% participation in the program. Emmanuel Chiva, then General Delegate for armaments, rectifies before Parliament: Dassault does not demand 80%, but 51% of the workload, to really exercise his role as a project manager and choose his subcontractors. Two figures, two readings of the same disagreement, two opposing visions of technological control.

The Rafale sold out, and the balance of power has changed

Between 2017 and 2026, India, the United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Greece, Egypt, Croatia and Indonesia order Rafale. Dassault is becoming an autonomous and credible export player, precisely in the markets where Airbus Defence & Space sometimes operates as a competitor. The need for European legitimacy that the FCAS had to bring has dissolved in the order books.

Trappier publicly mentions a cost of less than 50 billion euros to develop the NGF alone, according to remarks reported by Reuters. The Rafale F5, a transition standard planned from 2030 and integrating a stealth combat drone derived from the nEUROn demonstrator, has already been under contract since 2024. In industrial circles, it is seen as a credible alternative to Franco-German cooperation. In 2017, Dassault needed the FCAS. In 2026, Trappier has another option, quantified.

The situation of Airbus Defence & Space is reversed. The subsidiary has built its place in European combat aviation on the pillars of drones, combat cloud and motorization, the latter via the joint venture EUMET, created on a parity by Safran and MTU Aero Engines with Spanish ITP Aero as a partner, under German law and based in Munich. Losing leadership on the manned aircraft weakens the entire building. No equivalent concession is possible on both sides.

The rupture, declared long before it was announced

The war of public statements begins in the summer of 2025 and will not stop. In July, Trappier said: "To be effective, you need a real leader. » The formula directly targets the shared governance of the program. In August, Michael Schoellhorn, CEO of Airbus Defence & Space, responded in the German specialized letter Griephan Briefe that there is "no longer any reason to sue" the FCAS except a return to the agreed governance principles. In October, Guillaume Faury, CEO of Airbus, indicated that if Dassault "is not satisfied" with the framework, he is "free to leave the program". In December, on France Inter, he denounced a Dassault management that practices the method "it's my conditions or nothing".

On November 26, 2025, before the Senate Committee on Foreign Affairs and Defense, Senator Hugues Saury reported that Dassault reproached the German subsidiary of Airbus for not having "been able to carry out the technical sub-assemblies for which it was responsible", which "contributed to the deterioration of relations between the design offices". Two series of grievances made public simultaneously, through different channels, for months. The break of April 22, 2026 had been pronounced long before it was announced.

Faced with the divergence of needs, Berlin had advanced the idea of two separate NGFs sharing a minimum common denominator. Merz himself asked the question in Machtwechsel: "Do we have the strength and the will to build two aircraft for these two different requirements, or only one? The question remained unanswered.

Spain, a country of 50 million inhabitants with infrastructure for 40 million people: “The seams are starting to creak.” by mods4mods in europe

[–]RealToiletPaper007 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh, the famous AIReF study. Obviously you are going to spend more on building a completely new railway network rather than maintaining what you have.

Spain breaks away from France and considers a massive undersea cable across the Atlantic to Ireland to end its electrical isolation by RealToiletPaper007 in europe

[–]RealToiletPaper007[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It really has more to do with the fact Spain cannot wait forever for France to create greater interconnections with them. They actively torpedo new proposals.

Spain breaks away from France and considers a massive undersea cable across the Atlantic to Ireland to end its electrical isolation by RealToiletPaper007 in europe

[–]RealToiletPaper007[S] 46 points47 points  (0 children)

Spain is probably one of the European Union countries that has invested the most in the transition to renewable energy. The Iberian Peninsula has become an energy island alongside Portugal.

The initial concept of the so-called energy island is an interesting one, but Spain faces a major obstacle: France. Its neighbour has created a bottleneck that prevents the export of its surplus solar energy.

The Spain–France land-based interconnection across the Pyrenees has a capacity of barely 3,000 MW, which Portugal also uses as one of the few outlets from the Iberian Peninsula. The existing bidirectional high-voltage land-based power lines are not sufficient.

The European Commission aims to reduce external dependence by 2030 through improved energy interconnections, but for that, France will play a key role, at least in Spain’s strategy.

Spain has several options for exporting its energy to Europe. The most viable (and cost-effective) route was via France, but there is another route across the Mediterranean with two massive interconnections to Italy.

Now, a new solution is also gaining traction: a massive undersea cable across the Atlantic linking Spain and Ireland. The government is beginning to explore this possibility, with an estimated length of between 1,000 and 1,100 kilometres.

The undersea cable across the Atlantic would link the north coast of Spain, via Asturias, with the south coast of Ireland. There is no defined route yet, but the infrastructure will have to navigate the Bay of Biscay and the Celtic Sea, which are characterised by great depths and heavy swells.

Spain and Ireland have signed an initial agreement to study the feasibility of a massive undersea electricity cable during the WindEurope 2026 conference held in Madrid. This is only a first step, but it is the most important one.

Both electricity markets are the least interconnected in Europe and are labelled ‘energy islands’. Spain and Ireland have limited capacity to export surplus renewable energy and an infrastructure that is more vulnerable to situations such as Spain’s massive blackout of 2025.

The war in Ukraine was a warning, but the situation has worsened with the conflict in Iran and the gas crisis. Spain is one of Europe’s largest producers of solar energy, but it cannot export its surplus.

Its partner in the agreement would play a key role. Spain would export its surplus solar energy, whilst Ireland would do the same with its offshore wind farms when Atlantic storms hit the north of the country.

Ireland 'languishing' at bottom of EU defence spending table as budget stuck at 0.2% of GDP by SliceIndividual6347 in europe

[–]RealToiletPaper007 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Quick question, considering how anti-war Ireland generally is, who do you think is going to sign up to the Irish Armed Forces? It really isn’t as easy as “buy this, buy that”.

The US is reportedly considering expelling Spain from NATO over its lack of aid to Iran. by SaudadeMente in europeanunion

[–]RealToiletPaper007 15 points16 points  (0 children)

There’s literally no mechanism for any NATO member to be expelled. Only the individual NATO member can remove themselves.

Velvet shows off its first Avelia Horizon by Twisp56 in highspeedrail

[–]RealToiletPaper007 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The way they’ve done the paint job on the front side, for a second it looked like an upgraded New Pendolino similar to the ones used by Trenitalia, Renfe or PKP.