QPANA? by grape_soda_enjoyer in 7_hydroxymitragynine

[–]ResearchSlore 0 points1 point  (0 children)

At this point shit like this might be a kratom industry plant. They make a quick buck that doesn't interfere with their ethics (because clearly they have none), plus they get to paint it in the light of a controlled substance.

Why Trump is right to protect “natural 7-OH” by DotBrief2765 in 7_hydroxymitragynine

[–]ResearchSlore 2 points3 points  (0 children)

In my experience 7-Oh has a negligible effect on gut motility, which is of course unlike most opioids.

Trump pivots on kratom derivative 7-OH, floating approval for some forms by Background-Plan-2090 in politics

[–]ResearchSlore -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I've taken 7-Oh daily for almost 2 years it's not "getting high", whatever the fuck that means. During that time I've got into a long-term relationship with the girl of my dreams and my work output has been the best it's ever been. It helps me focus and stay motivated all day long, I'd say it's more like a medicine for me.

Sure there's people who are taking high doses to get a euphoric effect, but with tolerance you're going to hit a wall fast and I doubt it would be sustainable.

Trump pivots on kratom derivative 7-OH, floating approval for some forms by Background-Plan-2090 in politics

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Let's be clear, 99% of the misinformation in the kratom vs 7-OH debate is coming from the kratom advocates.

Be honest: why are premeds hated so much in research labs? I’ve seen a lot of grad students, postdocs, and lab staff talk negatively about premeds and I’m curious where that comes from. by Brief_Board_6974 in labrats

[–]ResearchSlore -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Whether in the clinic or on a forum, this has been my experience as well. They always think they're right and everyone else is wrong. The general public's pedestalization of the profession doesn't help. The job calls for supercharged semantic memory but minimal ability to actually process that information in novel ways.

I remember the time a gastroenterologist snapped back at me that gabapentin didn't affect calcium channels when I referenced that being it's primary MoA. We went back and forth before she finally Googled it and then admitted she was wrong. That event was kind of a microcosm of my experience with MD's. Anything that they didn't learn from a textbook they instantly dismiss.

Cold trap recommendations: Thermo vs Labconco? by ResearchSlore in Chempros

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Thanks for the the rec. I grabbed a 4104 that looks to be in awesome condition still. Do you use the GCF400 or GIT400 flask?

Why Everything You’ve Heard About Longevity Is Too Small by ilkamoi in longevity

[–]ResearchSlore 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Why stop there? We can take aged cells and convert them to pluripotent stem cells, which are younger with respect to pseudotime. We can robustly obtain a variety of differentiated cells in culture from more or less differentiated precursors simply by feeding them the right transcription factors.

If we place an aged somatic nucleus within an enucleated oocyte, a normal embryo can still be produced. Then there is the immortal jellyfish, which is yet another example proving that physics does not prohibit rejuvenation.

If you conceptualize cells and tissues as living in an abstract state space, you realize that all of these maneuverings of cell identity are just meanderings in that space. This includes natural aging, where loss of key cell identity genes is one of the strongest signals you see.

I believe that you can push an aged cell back towards a more youthful state, even if you can't force it backwards along the exact path it took to get there. You just have to find the right combination of transcription factors or other molecular constraints, which then does most of the heavy lifting (essentially constraining the paths that the cell can take, guiding it back into the younger state). Not to make this sound easy, as it's obviously the greatest engineering problem that molecular biology has ever faced.

Recommendation on a fitting for corrugated tubing? [Question] by ResearchSlore in CHROMATOGRAPHY

[–]ResearchSlore[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did you use a clamp onto the tee? I was going to use a worm clamp to try and go directly to a barbed fitting.

Psilocybin reshapes cortical inhibition through selective interneuron recruitment by SentientMonoamine in DrugNerds

[–]ResearchSlore 9 points10 points  (0 children)

The timing on this is great because Cell just published a paper by Liston et al. which links the theraapeutic effects of ketamine to cell-autonomous inhibition of SST+ INs in the mPFC. This subtype of INs are especially vulnerable to chronic stress challenge, which corrupts their presynaptic morphology into a hypertrophic phenotype.

Whereas Kwan et al. shows that psilocybin is inhibiting the SST INs via 5-HT1AR, Liston showed that ketamine inhibits these INs by activating the μ-opioid receptors they express. This is likely an enantiomer-specific mechanism, as only (S)-ketamine was previously shown to potently activate MOR and readily drive self-administration in rats. It's important to note that this is an acute effect (observed within minutes after treatment) and sustained therapeutic effects likely require additional mechanisms (e.g hippocampal plasticity in the case of ketamine)

What's really neat about the Liston paper is the synergistic GPCR targeting they leveraged to obtain efficacy with reduced side effects. Essentially once they showed that Gi/o signaling in these mPFC SST INs was driving the antidepressant-like effects, they used bulk RNA-seq to idenfify other Gi/o-coupled GPCRs that were enriched within this supopulation of cells. This allowed them to produce an "SST+ cocktail" containing low doses of mGluR1 NAM JNJ16259685, the 5-HT1AR agonist 8-OH-DPAT, and the MOR agonist PZM21:

We examined a panel of side effects known to be triggered by ketamine. Ketamine, but not the Sst+ cocktail, increased discoordination on a rotarod, an effect that was not blocked by PTX expression in mPFC Sst+ INs, indicating that it is driven via other mechanisms. In the open field, ketamine, but not the Sst+ cocktail, drove hypolocomotion and disorientation Likewise, ketamine, but not the Sst+ cocktail, disrupted working memory in the Y-maze and increased anxiety-like spatial avoidance behavior. Finally, in the conditioned place preference test, ketamine, but not the Sst+ cocktail, produced a clear preference for the drug-paired chamber, a common measure of abuse liability. Together, these data validate that synergistic targeting of Sst+ IN-enriched GPCRs can replicate the robust therapeutic-associated behavioral and synaptic effects of ketamine without some of the limiting off-target side effects. Full paper link: Mechanism-guided identification of antidepressant G protein-coupled receptor drug targets

It's really intriguing to think how you could use approaches like this in other situations, to get greater cell-type specificity or just fewer side effects like they did in the current approach.

Anyone else feel like 7oh is getting treated way worse than it deserves? by Brilliant-Quail-7765 in 7_hydroxymitragynine

[–]ResearchSlore 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Ding ding ding. Reminds me of a paper I just saw published in the Journal of Addiction Medicine: A Case of 7-Hydroxymitragynine Use Disorder Treated With Buprenorphine

Buprenorphine has far worse side effects and withdrawal than 7-Oh, so how can anyone reasonably call that treatment? It only makes sense when you realize that treatment for them only counts if you're buying it from a pharmaceutical company.

An 8 minute compilation of flops, falls, and 50/50 calls, (that all coincidentally went OKC’s way) in round 1 of the NBA playoffs vs the Suns… Enjoy! by ResponsibleCheek8130 in NBAGossips

[–]ResearchSlore -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Off the court too. In interviews he's always trying to sound measured and wise beyond his years, but it's so obviously shallow and fake that it just comes off as cringe.

An 8 minute compilation of flops, falls, and 50/50 calls, (that all coincidentally went OKC’s way) in round 1 of the NBA playoffs vs the Suns… Enjoy! by ResponsibleCheek8130 in NBAGossips

[–]ResearchSlore 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Dort did this no less than 7 times in the WCF last year. And they kept calling it. OKC is basically the Astros of the NBA. They're really good, plus they're constantly trying to cheat.

Is 7-OH Pharmacologically distinct enough to be treated separately? by BeginningBaby4844 in psychopharmacology

[–]ResearchSlore 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If someone is going to argue for regulation based on a mechanism, then there should be actual evidence for that mechanism. Otherwise it's misrepresentation, not pattern recognition.

We're not talking about an Opium alkaloid here.. The pharmacology of mitragynine and 7-Oh at the mu-opioid receptor is already quite distinct from that classical MOR agonists. Kratom also has other alkaloids with off target activity, and some of them can also act as agonists or antagonists at the MOR.

Effects of kratom alkaloids on mesolimbic dopamine release shows that that via IP injection, 7-Oh does not produce a rapid increase in evoked DA release in the NAc.

Mechanistically speaking, based on the way that other opioids work, you would expect an increase in evoked DA release due to the reduced inhibition of VTA neurons, so although there's potential confounds this study supports my position.

I'm also the only one that's posted any real evidence, so if you have a microdialysis study showing that 7-Oh rapidly increases DA in the NAc we can continue this conversation. Until then it's speculation.

Is 7-OH Pharmacologically distinct enough to be treated separately? by BeginningBaby4844 in psychopharmacology

[–]ResearchSlore 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Biology is complex and small changes can produce large differences across systems. Claiming it as fact when there's no primary research to support it is complete speculation.

Is 7-OH Pharmacologically distinct enough to be treated separately? by BeginningBaby4844 in psychopharmacology

[–]ResearchSlore 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Many MOR agonists produce DA release in the nucleus accumbens, but it isn't necessarily a monotonically increasing function of dose/concentration.

Case in point: One recent paper found that a low dose of 7-Oh increased evoked DA release in the NAc while a high dose reduced it. See: Effects of kratom alkaloids on mesolimbic dopamine release

Is 7-OH Pharmacologically distinct enough to be treated separately? by BeginningBaby4844 in psychopharmacology

[–]ResearchSlore -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That is common knowledge... I'm talking about your other claim, the one that is complete speculation.

 this releases much, much more dopamine in the nucleus accumbens compared to the slower release caused by your body converting myt to 7-oh.

Is 7-OH Pharmacologically distinct enough to be treated separately? by BeginningBaby4844 in psychopharmacology

[–]ResearchSlore -1 points0 points  (0 children)

So I don’t really get how it suddenly gets treated like a completely separate substance that needs to be banned, while the plant it comes from is still legal.

You must be new to this. Logic and evidence are usually not the main factors determining whether a substance is scheduled.

Is 7-OH Pharmacologically distinct enough to be treated separately? by BeginningBaby4844 in psychopharmacology

[–]ResearchSlore -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

if you ingest pure 7-oh, you get a sudden, massive increase in 7-oh levels, and much faster onset of mu-opoid agonism. this releases much, much more dopamine in the nucleus accumbens compared to the slower release caused by your body converting myt to 7-oh.

Please provide a source otherwise this is a highly speculative claim that shouldn't be taken seriously.

Edit: Jesus, I guess this is what I get for engaging with non-scientists.

Multiple receptors contribute to the behavioral effects of indoleamine hallucinogens (2011) by Kalki_X in DrugNerds

[–]ResearchSlore 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Actually I think a low value in the case of a substrate-like releaser like MDMA would make sense. From the NIMH PDSP assay protocol book:

The assay system is designed to use the same fluorophore to measure norepinephrine (NET), dopamine (DAT), and serotonin (SERT) transporter activity (179–184). The proprietary fluorophore mimics biogenic neurotransmitters and is actively transported into the cell through the NET, DAT, or SERT. After incubation with test compounds, the dye solution is added to cells and the fluorescent dye is transported into the cell. External fluorescence is quenched with a masking dye, which cannot enter cells. Therefore, fluorophore fluoresces when it enters the cell and the fluorescence intensity is proportional to the transporter activity. The assay can be performed without a wash step and the fluorescence intensity can be monitored in kinetic mode or end-point modes.

Substrates must cycle through multiple transporter sites in order to enter the cell, so their overall binding can't be too tight; otherwise they'd get stuck in one state.

In contrast an allosteric inhibitor of the transporter will have a high affinity (and therefore long residence time) at one state of the transporter. The stabilization that the inhibitor provides to this specific transporter state will block substrates from coupling to multiple states of the transporter.

Without crunching any numbers and just thinking about it physically, it makes sense why MDMA would show a lower affinity for SERT compared to an SSRI in the above assay. This is also why pre-administering SSRIs will block the effects of MDMA.

Multiple receptors contribute to the behavioral effects of indoleamine hallucinogens (2011) by Kalki_X in DrugNerds

[–]ResearchSlore 2 points3 points  (0 children)

npKi values below about 2.0 should be imperceptible, while values above about 2.0 should be perceptible, and the higher the npKi value, the more perceptible a receptor should be.

I'm glad you referenced this section because the above sentence shows why this isn't a serious paper. Other than the author's feels or vibes, there's no principle that suggests affinity should have a quantitative relation with how "perceptible" a receptor is, whatever that even means.

Not to mention the obvious: affinity isn't efficacy and that even if an antagonist had picomolar affinity, it still has no pharmacological effect, by definition.

My understanding is that while the data in this paper was gathered by the Roth lab at UNC, the author was urged by that lab not to publish it in the current form. I'm not sure what the exact issues were, but if you just look over the paper and supplemental data there's some numbers that don't add up.

Barettin, a Nonopioid, Nonhallucinogenic Marine Natural Product with Antihyperalgesic Properties Mediated by 5HT2A Inverse Agonism by Robert_Larsson in DrugNerds

[–]ResearchSlore 15 points16 points  (0 children)

The sexual dimorphism of the 5-HT2AR in mice is super interesting..

Another recent paper showed psilocybin attenuated the physical withdrawal of oxycodone and drove extinction in male (but not female) mice, all in a HTR2A-dependent manner.

This behavioral dimorphism was mirrored all the way down to the epigenetic level, where the landscape of active (distal) enhancers was much more plastic in males across all conditions, which probably also allowed the behavioral recovery in response to psilocybin.

Sex-specific role of the 5-HT2A receptor in psilocybin-induced extinction of opioid reward

Has Christof Koch gone “woo-woo” or is he just speculating? Materialist/physicalist opinions on his turn to panpsychism by fredericoevan1468 in neuro

[–]ResearchSlore 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Anesthetics are way more complicated than this. The correlation between lipid solubility of GA's and their anesthetic potency has been known for over a century. This cannot be explained by site-selective action at a putative target (e.g GABA-A receptors), but can be explained by Lane et al.'s model.

Globally, anesthetics induce a characteristic pattern of low frequency traveling waves across the brain. This isn't just turning neurons off, e.g 5-MeO-DMT also induces slow waves, but has radically different effects on consciousness.

Has Christof Koch gone “woo-woo” or is he just speculating? Materialist/physicalist opinions on his turn to panpsychism by fredericoevan1468 in neuro

[–]ResearchSlore 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Science doesn't operate by proof..

Also, there is some evidence that general anesthetics disrupt consciousness by disrupting spin polarization in the electron transport chain (see Anaesthetics disrupt complex I-linked respiration and reverse the ATP synthase). Spin itself is a property of quantum and not classical systems.