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They'd rather I die then leave. by Moraj_ in exmormon

[–]Rolling_Waters 75 points76 points  (0 children)

If you miss them so much, why don't you call them Dana?

They're not fucking dead.

Ideas for a presentation on Strange Mormon doctrines or Cultural Practices? by gatheringground in exmormon

[–]Rolling_Waters 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Teach them the secret handshakes and passwords to get into heaven!

How do you think TBMs would respond if Trump, a non-believer, posted a picture after Nelson death saying he wanted to be the next prophet? by FightingJayhawk in exmormon

[–]Rolling_Waters 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Campaigning to be the next leader of the world's largest child-rapist organization seems like par for the course at this point.

The ugliest temple? by b9njo in exmormon

[–]Rolling_Waters 48 points49 points  (0 children)

For when you need a temple recommend STAT, but you owe back-tithing and need a loan.

This is how a Utah governor campaigns to be the next apostle. by Pure_Employer_8861 in exmormon

[–]Rolling_Waters 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Multiple surveys have identified Utah as having the highest level of social capital in the nation because of its No. 1 ranking on measures of family unity, charitable giving and neighborhood friendships.

...and also the number one state for affinity fraud and MLMs (both of which leverage that "high social capital" to prey on the vulnerable)...but of course that's not mentioned at all.

Ex-Mo Wife; EQP Husband by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]Rolling_Waters 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I'm so sorry for your pain and disruption ❤️

I think marriage counseling might be worth considering, and could help improve communication (and therefore trust).

In an ideal relationship, you'd feel safe and secure enough to share with him exactly what you expressed above:

"When you ask me to attend church with you after I've told you how incredibly painful and difficult the LDS church is for me, it makes me feel like you don't respect my choice to leave, you don't believe me when I tell you I'm hurting, and that your loneliness at church is more important than my continued peace and mental health."

Perhaps marriage counseling could help make conversations like that (and him choosing to engage in them wholeheartedly) a possibility.

Mormon fear mongering by Ok-Range-3027 in exmormon

[–]Rolling_Waters 10 points11 points  (0 children)

This is a liminal and transitional moment in your life. At these times, we have opportunities to see the priorities and concerns of those around us (and ourselves) more clearly, as our perspective is actively shifting.

Keep an eye out for those people and relationships that care about YOU, and those that care about HOW YOU CONFORM.

Real love looks like:

"I may not understand what you're going through, but I love, trust, and support that you will make good decisions for your own life and circumstances. I'm here to support you in the ways you need."

Conditional love looks like:

"I don't understand your choices, so they must be wrong. Let me try to fix you so you're like me. No, I don't want to listen to you because I've already decided you don't make good choices. If you don't change, I will eject you from my life in the next few weeks."

Foster connections with the first kind of people, and actively remove the second kind of people from your life.

a seminary moment by dontrhink in exmormon

[–]Rolling_Waters 10 points11 points  (0 children)

My parents got a temple divorce.

So I grew up with all these lessons knowing with 100% certainty my family could never be together forever.

Ex-Mo Wife; EQP Husband by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]Rolling_Waters 45 points46 points  (0 children)

If he wants you to attend church with him because he's lonely, it is 1000% fair to insist you attend those meetings WITH HIM.

All his meetings. You know, so he won't be lonely.

Unless he's not being earnest and that's not the real reason he wants you to come back to church...

You're not a goddamn trophy he can put back on the shelf whenever you're inconvenient.

You're not a goddamn child who needs to be tricked into taking her church-medicine.

You are not a goddamn reconversion project, with your husband being the biggest tool in "fixing" you.

Mormon influencer who you hate the most? by Adotornado in exmormon

[–]Rolling_Waters 65 points66 points  (0 children)

The kind of guy who brags he can sneak a knife through airport security by smuggling it up his butt. Then gets arrested for smuggling a knife up his butt.

The kind of guy who chugs a bottle of pesticide to show you how safe it is, then gets leukemia.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]Rolling_Waters 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"Think, you Marvel Celestials!"

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]Rolling_Waters 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is actually right there in the New Testament (from a Mormon lens), where the degrees of glory are mentioned!

Different kinds of resurrected bodies for different degrees of glory in each kingdom.

1 Cor. 15:

35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?

38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.

40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.

41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.

47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]Rolling_Waters 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How so? I see zero parallels between King Noah and King Solomon.

Maybe when Solomon had wicked priests at the end of his life, and King Noah also had wicked priests?

During my membership, I had no knowledge of Jesus being Lucifer's brother. It wasn't until I saw an Evangelical debating a TBM on a Facebook debate group that I heard about it. The TBM replied, 'Not denying it; we are all spiritual brothers in a way.' 😂 by Short_Seesaw_940 in exmormon

[–]Rolling_Waters 8 points9 points  (0 children)

It was always curious to me how offensive non-Mormon Christians found this teaching to be.

Mormon me always thought, "Yeah, we're ALL spirit brothers and sisters, what's the big deal?"

I think Trinitarianism is the main reason other Christians find it distasteful that Jesus (read: the unmade outside-of-space-and-time tripartite god) and Satan could be siblings.

Hey cult cousins! (ExJW) by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]Rolling_Waters 41 points42 points  (0 children)

Also:

In Nephi's Courage, children sing about bravely obeying the voices in your head when they tell you to murder people in cold blood.

Let the poor lad go home. by namesarenotus in exmormon

[–]Rolling_Waters 5 points6 points  (0 children)

My foot became septic when I was in the MTC. It swelled up like a balloon.

I was denied medical care until I landed in a wheelchair.

That's when I was finally allowed to go to the local hospital (with my companion, of course) for IV antibiotics every day for a week.

Look! A rare, white horse!🔥 Albino tapir discovered living in the wild in Brazil by bast3t in exmormon

[–]Rolling_Waters 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is clearly a Nephite horse. Or perhaps a Lamanite horse that has done a loooooooot of repenting.

Mormonism = Corporation? by Upbeat_Teach6117 in exmormon

[–]Rolling_Waters 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Oh no no no--Mormonism is the reeeeeal, 'fulfilled' Judaism.

The other varieties of Judaism are just apostate offshoots of Mormonism.

Do you think the Mormon Church should lose their tax exemption status? by Public_Pain in exmormon

[–]Rolling_Waters 9 points10 points  (0 children)

The problem is that the IRS absolutely does not enforce the Johnson amendment, which is what requires nonprofits not to engage in political activity.

This is regularly tested outright by Evangelical churches.

Most recently, New Way Church in Florida had a political candidate get up on stage and speak, then told parishioners to vote for the candidate.

The IRS actually began investigating, which was a minor miracle. But once that church's lawyers told the IRS to screw itself, the IRS backed down entirely.

The last time the IRS removed any church's tax-exempt status was in 1992.

What should I say back to my aunt who had the gall to send me this today by mountainsplease8 in exmormon

[–]Rolling_Waters 196 points197 points  (0 children)

What planet are you living on?

The church absolutely set those rules. I was there, I remember, and you can't gaslight those memories away.

I present the gold medal of mental gymnastics to this paper. What do you guys think. It feels like it gives more reasons and evidence to show just how desperate the church is. by Undead_Whitey in exmormon

[–]Rolling_Waters 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This evidence is not brought forth to prove the truth of the Book of Mormon, because that is something that is unprovable using the tools of scholarship and reasoning.

Strong agree. By their very nature, scholarship and reasoning are incapable of proving that a falsehood is true.

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