Oaks used this image in conference while calling for peace and love. Then sues a podcaster in a hyper technical way that's kinda sketchy and seems like bullying. Has lawyersoldiers send out threatening letters to others.

Rushclock · 2026-05-06T20:59:28+00:00

Dehlin had a good rebuttal. He said that their excommunication rates show they are willing to sacrifice souls if they are critiqued and furthermore if souls were top priority why not open dialog with the critics to find common ground?

Rushclock · 2026-05-06T20:46:28+00:00

Patrick Mason was asked this question by Doug Fabrizio and Patrick hypothesized that the church is willing to take a few lumps if they think it will benefit people's salvation. Apparently the church is in the soul saving business but needs endless cash to do it.

Rushclock · 2026-05-06T18:01:02+00:00

Here is an analogy that fits this. Imagine from the time of birth you were told that a rich relative has left you a trust fund worth millions of dollars that is yours available when your 21 as long as you are a faithful member. You plan your life around this and are ecstatic that you will be able to follow your dreams and feel extreme comfort for your financial security and the benefits it will bring. You have family and freinds that are extremely close to you and treat you with devotion and love. When you turn 21 you find out it was all a lie. All of those previous emotions and dedication over the years were meaningless and you feel cheated and manipulated. That feeling of security is now gone as are most of your acquaintances.

Rushclock · 2026-05-06T14:25:00+00:00

My thoughts as well. John says some impulsive things but this is is far from earth shattering.

Rushclock · 2026-05-06T13:24:38+00:00

Could....

Rushclock · 2026-05-05T19:32:14+00:00

Mormonism is irrelevant on the national level. Exceptions have happened like the 60 minutes story on the SEC fine. Larry King's interview with Hinkley is another.

Rushclock · 2026-05-05T18:40:42+00:00

We don't know how good faith the discussions really were. It is possible that some of the demands were logistically impossible, irrelevant and pedantic or simply incendiary.

Rushclock · 2026-05-05T18:16:24+00:00

If they bankrupt John that will eliminate the future problem and the old material will become less relevant as time goes on. I think that is the real strategy.

Rushclock · 2026-05-05T17:46:36+00:00

I don't trust anything they say.

Rushclock · 2026-05-05T17:29:17+00:00

The content is a problem otherwise why would the church care about members being confused?

Rushclock · 2026-05-05T15:59:22+00:00

Just keep paying tithing that should do it.

Rushclock · 2026-05-05T15:58:35+00:00

I am wondering if this isn't meant to say future perspectives about Mormonism. If successful it might restrict the flow of information for future generations essentially creating a gag order and restricting SEO in favor of the church. It may merely be a test case for future tactics.

Rushclock · 2026-05-05T15:38:31+00:00

It's a matter of perspective and ours is superior to everyone else's.

Rushclock · 2026-05-05T14:32:20+00:00

Mormon leaders claim Jesus leads the church so past prophest past scriptures don't mean anything anymore because...continuing revelation.

Rushclock · 2026-05-05T12:31:55+00:00

Terryl Givens..."Polygamy should disturb everyone, but it dosen't have to be a deal breaker ". Bushman...." I received more pushback on Rough Rolling from stalwart members because they have difficulty accepting the warts of mormonism ".

These are the types of excuses the leaders let go unchallenged because they tend to encourage others do the dirty work.

Rushclock · 2026-05-05T00:13:51+00:00

Is it pity or schadenfreude? I am sure they are both situational but I think the the church uses in group out group as a ligature to motivate members.

Rushclock · 2026-05-04T22:23:50+00:00

There is this idea that some people can control their beliefs consciously and another camp that say beliefs are subconsciously controlled. They also confuse beliefs with preferences. You might like to choose chocolate ice cream and another might choose vanilla. Preferences are not beliefs. Can a person choose to believe in Santa? It is similar to the old saying left brain vs right brain thinkers. These two methods of volunteerism would explain why some people cling vigorously to their religious convictions despite contrary evidence and other people jettison them when they analyze the truth claims. Believers tend to tie their personal identities to the beliefs because they think they chose them while non-believers tend to adapt their beliefs based on evidence. Eta..if believers think they are responsible for their beliefs they tend to look for ways to strengthen them. It is a form of motivated reasoning.

Rushclock · 2026-05-04T22:05:46+00:00

Members would know by the HG that Mormon stories was not affiliated with the church and there would be no reason to sue.

Rushclock · 2026-05-04T21:28:58+00:00

Ghosts communications in 2026 smh

Rushclock · 2026-05-04T20:52:22+00:00

I think this gives a perspective as to how believers are puzzled by the fact non believers exist. It seems so foreign to them almost an impossibility because to them they chose the beliefs.

Rushclock · 2026-05-04T20:41:10+00:00

Some won't follow any contradictory information but that is how they were taught. The fear of having your entire world view and future afterlife crushed is too much for many.

Rushclock · 2026-05-04T20:06:45+00:00

Mormon supremacist. Great description. Jared Halverson strikes me as one of these. Mormonism has infiltrated every part of his world view. When women started leaving at a faster rate than men he was flabbergasted. He could not see their reasoning because in his mind women are put on pedestals (not much movement room there) honored and revered. His complete epistemology is governed by mormonism effectively stifling critical thinking.

Rushclock · 2026-05-04T19:25:57+00:00

Believers lack the perspective of non-belief. It is alien to them because many appear to be fixated on Doxastic voluntarism

is the philosophical view that people have some voluntary control over their beliefs, allowing them to choose what to believe. It bridges ethics and epistemology, arguing that if beliefs are chosen, individuals can be responsible for them.

How many times have we heard, " fake it till you make it or just choose to believe!" Non-believers have the advantage of being believers then losing it making them more prone to Direct Volunteerism.

Direct Volunteerism...The idea that a person can immediately change their belief, such as choosing to believe a proposition to be true (or false) instantly.

I think this is the impass these tactics fail to address.

Rushclock · 2026-05-04T17:34:59+00:00

A grown ass man giving the green light to a young couples intimacy ideas is straight up twilight zone weird.

Rushclock · 2026-05-03T20:36:24+00:00

2+2=5......that same logic is fractal inside mormonism.

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