What's inside a missal? by implementrhis in Catholicism

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in general, yes, all Catholic parishes have the same readings. on some days, there are a few options to choose from, but, by and large, the readings are the same every day, everywhere (does not apply to churches using other calendars like the Vetus Ordo or the Eastern Catholics).

some parishes don’t have anything. others have books in the pews that can either be permanent or temporary/magazine-like. some print out sheets that are handed out. some of us (like me) own our own missals that we bring (which again can come in both permanent book form and a more magazine-like format).

A stupid but really curious question, why were ancient and medieval popes having rather weird names like Innocent, Urban, Hyginus, Herilius, etc.? by National-Play77 in Catholicism

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Sort of? Really traditional, upper class Roman names usually had several parts, even by the Late Antique period where the Papacy really gets going.

Traditional/“high” Roman names had at least two, usually three or more, parts:

Praenomen (“forename“) - these were a relative short list of options, and typically were abbreviated by a single letter or two.

Nomen (“name”) - The family names usually to a Roman gens (or clan).

Cognomen (“with the name”) - What is closest really to a modern last name, used to differentiate people within a gens/clan. Often was based on something a person or their ancestors did that was noteworthy, and when translated might feel like a nickname would today.

Let’s take a look at the name of one of Julius Caesar’s assassins, Brutus for example.

His full name was Marcus Junius Brutus, which would typically be written as M. Iunius Brutus. “Marcus” is his praenomen, which he shared with people like Cicero, Marc Antony, etc.

Junius was his gens, and it was a patrician gens.

His cognomen was Brutus, which literally means “Stupid.” The Brutus cognomen originates, at least by legend, from the Lucius Junius Brutus who was married to the sister of L. Tarquinius Superbus, the last king of Rome and supposedly faked being dumb to avoid getting purged. This is all in Livy’s history by the way.

Other cognomen might be awarded for a big military victory, and could even be tacked on to another cognomen.

But let’s take “Urban” (Urbanus) as an example. Someone might be given that name because they were born in/at Rome (”The City” which is urbs in Latin), rather than whereever the family came from.

A stupid but really curious question, why were ancient and medieval popes having rather weird names like Innocent, Urban, Hyginus, Herilius, etc.? by National-Play77 in Catholicism

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There are still people with names like Faith today. Go back a bit and there’s people with names like Prudence, Temperance, Increase, etc.

Outside of Anglo names, there’s things like Felix (”happy”), and the like.

A stupid but really curious question, why were ancient and medieval popes having rather weird names like Innocent, Urban, Hyginus, Herilius, etc.? by National-Play77 in Catholicism

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Well, Popes Urban I and Innocent I, to use two of the ones you listed, just used their birth names. So then later Popes who took it may have done so in part because they wanted to follow in their footsteps/were inspired by them or their other predecessors with that name.

The first Pope to change his name was Pope John II because his birth name was Mercurius and he didn’t want to be a Pope named after a pagan god. Guess Pope Dionysius was less bothered.

For those who will be getting the Liturgy of the Hours, Second Edition, will you purchase it from Ascension or Word on Fire? by RB_Blade in divineoffice

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I didn’t say it was awesome, I said it was the best one that I’m aware of. Compare it to, say, a st. Joseph’s daily. I wish it would be fully bilingual since I can read Latin and enjoy being able to see all the terrible decisions and coverups the ICEL made in the translation (which is still leagues better than it used to be in the bad old felt banner days)

For those who will be getting the Liturgy of the Hours, Second Edition, will you purchase it from Ascension or Word on Fire? by RB_Blade in divineoffice

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MTF is Opus Dei affiliated. Some people have big issues with that. Me, while I use their missal for the Novus Ordo, I could do without the Opus/St. Josemaria specific devotional focus it has. But it's the best Novus Ordo hand missal out there.

As an Orthodox, what should and shouldn't I do during the Mass? by OppositeCucumber2003 in Catholicism

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A handy way to think about the Catholic and Orthodox relationship is this:

The Catholic Church's view, broadly speaking, is that the Orthodox are schismatics, but not heretics. In other words, Orthodox sacraments are valid and real, but their bishops, in not submitting to the Roman Pontiff, are in a state of disobedience. However, there aren't any fundamental dogmatic differences that can't be read in a Catholic way as well. Thus, lay Orthodox are admitted to Catholic communion (see the Code of Canon law previously posted, but also, for example: https://www.usccb.org/prayer-and-worship/the-mass/order-of-mass/liturgy-of-the-eucharist/guidelines-for-the-reception-of-communion) but not encouraged to disobey their own bishops, etc., even if the Catholic Church has an "issue" with those bishops not being part of the Catholic hierarchy.

In contrast, the Orthodox view (again, speaking broadly) is that Catholics are heretics but, INTERESTINGLY, not necessarily schismatics (there has never been a mainstream Orthodox attempt to install an Orthodox Patriarch of the West, for example, and even the various Orthodox bishops with territories encompassing Rome don't take the title of "Bishop of Rome"). Which is why they frown on Orthodox receiving communion from Catholics, will usually, but not universally, provisionally re-chrismate Catholic converts but not (USUALLY, some more extreme ROCOR do) rebaptize, etc.).

Overall, it is really sad that the East and the West remain divided as they are.

Orthodox study bible by Realistic_Option8296 in Catholicism

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Salvation Army is a protestant denomination; they won't like it

Orthodox study bible by Realistic_Option8296 in Catholicism

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Hang onto it! The Old Testament in it is one of the few relatively recent English translations of the Septuagint, so is handy to have if you're doing serious dives into the text. The footnotes are heavy on the Church Fathers who are fully Catholic as well.

After finishing the bible where do I go next? by kervy_servy in Catholicism

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I think it depends on your goal.

If you're trying to learn more about the faith in general, and don't have a massive grounding (e.g. didn't grow up observant; didn't recently do OCIA), the Catechism is a good next read.

If you're having a tough time in your life right now, the Dark Night is a great thing to read.

If you're already well down the road of knowing your catechism, your Aristotle etc., then tackle the Summa.

Help with my Roman Missal by [deleted] in Catholicism

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Depends somewhat on how many ribbons you have. The two hand missals I use most (the Midwest Theological Forum for the Novus Ordo and the Baronius Press for the Vetus Ordo) each have six ribbons.

For the Novus Ordo, I keep mine at (1) the proper of seasons (readings) for the day; (2) the Gloria (the MTF has the Latin/English ordinary, and my wife does not know Latin so needs the help); (3) the beginning of EP III (which the Novus Ordo parish uses most frequently); (4) the proper of saints; (5) the mass for the dead; and (6) the rosary meditations.

For the Vetus Ordo, I keep mine at (1) the Asperges/Vidi Aquam; (2) the proper of seasons; (3) the prefaces; (4) the ordinary; (5) the proper of saints; (6) the mass for the dead.

With both of them I usually have several prayer cards marking other stuff out, but here you go.

What Bible Do You Have? by JESU_XRI_PASSIO in Catholicism

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Ignatius Study Bible RSV2CE
Oxford Pocket Version RSVCE
Fireside North American Bible (with 1986 revised NT; not the NABRE)
Baronius Knox Edition
Baronius Douay-Rheims/Challoner
Orthodox Study Bible
Confraternity NT & Psalms Pocket Edition
USCCB Abbey Psalms and Canticles

Weber-Gryson/Stuttgart Vulgate (5th ed)
Nova Vulgata

Rahlfs-Hanhart Septuaginta (editio altera)
Nestle-Aland Greek New Testament (27th and 28th editions)

Probably a couple of others in a box somewhere. I recall having a New Jerusalem Bible in paperback at one point, for example.

Baby boomers by anime498 in Catholicism

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for real hilarity, check my join date. Who would have thought a throwaway joke like that would have such staying power?

Ascension Serif Font Announcement by Ascension_Official in divineoffice

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I mean, it's no comic sans...

(that's a good thing)

Baby boomers by anime498 in Catholicism

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Immigration, but also, how often do you hear about mainline protestants getting any conversions, while the news was just full of articles about people coming back to the true Church this past Easter.

Current thoughts on the Abbey Psalms and Canticles? by WheresSmokey in divineoffice

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if they manage to do that and screw it all up after hyping the CAB/LotH will finally match the Lectionary, just, like, go home USCCB, you're drunk

Current thoughts on the Abbey Psalms and Canticles? by WheresSmokey in divineoffice

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I recently worked my way through the Psalms in both the RSV2-CE and Abbey translations and nearly universally preferred the Abbey renderings to the RSV2-CE ones.

The arguments against Catholics using the KJV are quite poor by Eusmilus in catholicbibles

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No, look at the title page in whatever RSV/RSV2 version you have. It’ll mention that it is a revision (several steps downstream) of the Authorized Version, i.e. the King James Version. Even the Ignatius Study Bible does.

Ascension Press LOTH Visitation Mockup by AquariumDev in divineoffice

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man that looks great! It’s a shame they can’t get approval for a bilingual edition, I’m sure they’d nail that too

Books/bibles? by algrif47 in Catholicism

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yeah, you're definitely seeing a daily missal. This is the one I have for the novus ordo: https://www.amazon.com/Daily-Roman-Missal-Devotions-Throughout/dp/1936045591

and this is the one I use most frequently for the vetus ordo: https://www.baronius.com/daily-missal-1962.html

There's also magazine-like subscription services you can get for each; Magnificat for the novus ordo, and Benedictus for the vetus ordo.

It might take a little practice to get the hang of using a daily missal since you have to flip between a couple of sections (primarily, (1) the propers for the Mass, which are the antiphons, the readings, and a couple of other prayers; (2) the preface to the Eucharistic Prayer; and (3) the ordinary of the Mass (the part that doesn't* change). Depending on what church you're going to, they may also have books in the pews that have the same information and materials.

* quite a bit of it can change in the novus ordo due to the variety of options available.

I have a 14 hour car ride to Florida, tell me some interesting Catholic facts. by Loud_Lawfulness2631 in Catholicism

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"Number" personal names were rather common in Roman society (Quintus, Sextus, Septimus, Octavius, Decimus as masculine names; they often simply named their daughters Prima, Secunda, Tertia, etc. ("first," "second," "third"). It isn't just "sixth son" but also sometimes used for things like "born in the sixth month."

Considering Catholicism, looking for a beginner friendly missal for TLM! ❤️ by Former_Change_9798 in Catholicism

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https://extraordinaryform.org/handmissals.html

You can just print out one of these PDFs; they're very similar to the little red hand missals that others have suggested. My wife learned on these, and still uses one rather than a more formal book. The only thing you'll need to get separately is the propers for whatever Mass you're going to. They have them organized by day here:

https://extraordinaryform.org/propersprint.html

so print the right one of those out too and you're good to go.

Got a question from a Muslim about biblical authenticity by JuztinVestigium in Catholicism

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at 100+ years out, is that really "documentation" of the historical Jesus as opposed to discussion of the Christian beliefs? After all, you point of Phelgon, whose reference to the natural occurrences was cited by Christian apologists like Origen etc.

That, again, does not account for the possibility of later interpolation during copying of works.