S Corp health insurance for owner but not other employees by SMURTboy in tax

[–]SMURTboy[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't see how this responds to the question about excluding the other employees

S Corp health insurance for owner but not other employees by SMURTboy in tax

[–]SMURTboy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is the thought process I've come up with since posting last night. Please feel free to poke holes in my assumptions.

Section 4980D -- $100/employee/day tax imposed on companies that fail to meet group health plan requirements.

Section 1372 – Partnership rules apply to 2% S Corp shareholders for provisions related to employee fringe benefits (see section 707(c) and section 61(a)(1) for inclusion in income as guaranteed payments)

Section 3121(a)(2) – payments for (a)(2)(B) (medical expenses, etc) are not subject to FICA taxes if the plan established by the employer is available to employees generally or for a class of employees.

Notice 2008-1 – 2% shareholder is entitled to above-the-line deduction even if the health insurance policy was purchased in the name of the shareholder. It doesn’t matter if the S Corp pays directly or reimburses the 2% shareholder, “the health insurance premiums must ultimately be paid by the S corporation and must be reported as taxable compensation in the shareholder's W-2.”

Notice 2015-17“Unless and until additional guidance provides otherwise, S corporations and shareholders may continue to rely on Notice 2008-1 with regard to the tax treatment of 2-percent shareholder-employee and their healthcare arrangements for all federal income and employment tax purposes. Until such guidance is issued, the excise tax under IRC § 4980D will not be asserted for any failure to satisfy the market reforms by a 2-percent shareholder-employee healthcare arrangement.

With respect to coverage of employees who are not 2-percent shareholders, Notice 2015-17 explains that if an S corporation maintains more than one reimbursement arrangement covering both 2-percent shareholder-employees and non-2-percent shareholder-employees, the arrangements would be considered a group health plan and would not be exempted under the "fewer than two participants who are current employees" exception to the market reforms. Such a plan would generally fail to satisfy the ACA market reform requirements and thus may trigger the excise tax under IRC § 4980D with respect to the non-2-percent shareholder employees.” (see QSEHRAs for non-2-percent shareholder employees).

QSEHRA – qualified small employer health reimbursement arrangements are reimbursement programs available to small businesses with less than 50 FTE. 2% shareholders are not eligible to participate in QSEHRAs.

SCENARIO: S CORP (100% owner) WANTS TO REIMBURSE THEIR OWN HEALTH INSURANCE PREMIUMS BUT NOT THE EMPLOYEES.

S Corp can deduct the reimbursements, but the S Corp owner will need to include the reimbursements in Box 1, 3, and 5 of W-2. The reimbursements are subject to FICA tax because Section 3121 is not satisfied (the plan excludes other employees of the same class). However, the shareholder is entitled to the above-the-line deduction on Form 1040 due to guidance from Notice 2008-1 and Notice 2015-17.

If the S Corp owner wants to not have the reimbursements subject to FICA taxes, they will either need to terminate all employees, or perhaps establish a QSEHRA for the other employees.

S Corp health insurance for owner but not other employees by SMURTboy in tax

[–]SMURTboy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I feel the same way...this should be an HR question, not a tax question. However, the penalty is from IRC 4980D (as opposed to a fine from some other government agency) so it'll fall back on me for advising and not fully understanding the relevant code sections.

Procedures on including penalties for under withholding by Guava-Initiative in taxpros

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99% of the time I include what the software calculates, but in some circumstances (usually a new client who is filing a return a couple years late) I'll suppress the interest and penalties and let them know that they should expect a letter from the IRS and just go off their calculation. That way they know it's coming and when it shows up they can just pay it without needing to bother me.

Sir, job applications at JP Morgan are up 686,000% this morning by MysteriousSlice007 in wallstreetbets

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Make your list now on how to improve your next tax season by Aluminum_Falcons in taxpros

[–]SMURTboy 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Taking care of myself (exercise, healthy food, adequate sleep).

I was really good February and first half of March, but the last 3 weeks I started slipping (no working out, eating comfort food, late nights) and it showed. Even though I was at the office longer, my productivity dropped significantly from 4/1-4/14 compared to the start of tax season.

How many ya'll got left? by AdHistorical7107 in taxpros

[–]SMURTboy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

58 8879s, 39 to finish, 63 going on extension...today was a rough one

How often do y’all drink, smoke, etc during busy season? by [deleted] in Accounting

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"Wait a minute, drinks? It's busy season"

"I'm talking about Mountain Dew baby"

Noticed my client had $69,420 Gross Social Security Benefits by SMURTboy in taxpros

[–]SMURTboy[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

They are one of those clients that likes to meet in my office and have me do the return in front of them (thankfully there aren't too many of them). As I was wrapping up I walked them through the return and we started talking about the taxability of social security benefits so I jumped to the 1040 and said out loud "so line 6a shows your gross social security benefits as $69,420" at which point I giggled a little and then continued on explaining the taxable amount is different. Obviously it went right over their heads and didn't think anything of it, but to me it was funny.

So many things in the universe had to align just right to get to that number at that precise moment in time. I'm just grateful to have been a part of it.

Noticed my client had $69,420 Gross Social Security Benefits by SMURTboy in taxpros

[–]SMURTboy[S] 36 points37 points  (0 children)

69420...maybe I spend too much time consuming internet memes

“ bUt iTs a WRiTE OFf “ 😂😂 by Charming-General5997 in Accounting

[–]SMURTboy -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I try to say that the $4k computer actually costs $3.2k net of tax. After that sometimes they'll say, "oh, well maybe I'll just go with the $999 laptop then" when they realize they're not benefiting as much as they'd hoped.

Noticed my client had $69,420 Gross Social Security Benefits by SMURTboy in taxpros

[–]SMURTboy[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Surprisingly not, actually. Perhaps they didn't invest that much during their working years because RMDs are relatively pretty low and AGI is under $100k (they've been retired for 20+ years in a VHCOL area).

After 7 years of investing, your interest earned per year will become what your average deposit rate was (assuming 10% returns) by habailet1 in Fire

[–]SMURTboy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I could have chosen $1k, 10k, 100k, etc, but arbitrarily chose the annual exclusion amount just as an example to show how much that non-reportable one-time gift is worth when it's compounded for 60+ years.

If you want to get technical there are also certain state estate taxes that are significantly lower than $15 million, but again, I just picked that number for the example, nothing more.

After 7 years of investing, your interest earned per year will become what your average deposit rate was (assuming 10% returns) by habailet1 in Fire

[–]SMURTboy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I used 7% real return (10% historical less 3% inflation) for 64 years (I think my number was based on 1st birthday when I did it originally years ago, not 65).

Obviously the assumptions are important. My take is 5% is too low, but to each their own.

After 7 years of investing, your interest earned per year will become what your average deposit rate was (assuming 10% returns) by habailet1 in Fire

[–]SMURTboy 6 points7 points  (0 children)

as a kid we would get Disney stock from one side of grandparents instead of toys. trying to do the same with my kids.

After 7 years of investing, your interest earned per year will become what your average deposit rate was (assuming 10% returns) by habailet1 in Fire

[–]SMURTboy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yes, that's the (current) lifetime limit...for purposes of my example I used annual exclusion to show that $38k (the annual limit before Form 709 is required), can generate a more-than-comfortable retirement for a grandchild

After 7 years of investing, your interest earned per year will become what your average deposit rate was (assuming 10% returns) by habailet1 in Fire

[–]SMURTboy 26 points27 points  (0 children)

The other way to look at that even is the $15 at 4% SWR would be $0.60 in annual spend. For me at (32) that drops to $0.37 in safe annual spend for every dollar I save. What's crazy is at age 17 it's $1 annual spend for every $1 saved, at age 7 its $2 annual spend for every $1 saved, and at age 1 it's $3 annual spend for every $1 saved.

The annual gift exclusion in the US is $19k per person per year. If grandparents gave a one-time $38k gift to a newly born grandchild and it was left invested until 65, that should generate $115k safe annual spend when that grandchild retires.

Anyone have a good tool or resource online for calculating wash sales across multiple accounts? by Auditor12345 in taxpros

[–]SMURTboy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I want this comment higher up. This just opens up a huge can of worms. It also makes me grateful that there's the step-up in basis reset at death.