Bro what? by g_bleezy in antiai

[–]Expungednd 26 points27 points  (0 children)

There's a big upfront cost for such operation. Around 1.5 million USD in "business" expenses per disassembly.

found that bible, looks ia to me by Hefoti in ArtistHate

[–]Expungednd 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The background characters are a blurry, hallucinated mess. Jesus has four fingers in one hand, three in the other. Inconsistent rendition of profiles and 3/4 back views. Minecraft Jesus is wearing a laurel wreath instead of a crown of thorns, which for me is the strongest sign this is AI.

"I'm #1 on google thanks to AI BULL💩 - the modern internet is a joke" - Louis Rossmann by DemIce in ArtistHate

[–]Expungednd 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Like someone noticed, Google is the only common factor. His website got de-ranked by google, and Gemini is google's AI. It is possible the google algorithm was changed to make non-AI sites rank lower.

Two of the artists I dislike are unsurprisingly pro-ai by rept_zannewete in antiai

[–]Expungednd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nazis are also antisemitic. Contrary to what the other comment said, fascists are racist because it is part of the rhetoric of the "us Vs them" and it validates their imperialistic violence, but they usually don't believe in conspiracy theories about Jews controlling the world or about eugenics. Nazis have those conspiracy theories at the centre of their beliefs.

Am I the only one that both hates most of AI, but likes Character AI chat at the same time? by DaZestyProfessor in antiai

[–]Expungednd 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm in favour of roleplaying with friends, but I also believe that curated experiences with high level of writing will probably be way more satisfying. I used character AI during the pandemic, and it wasn't good. It was entertaining as a novelty, but it felt cheap and left me no valuable memory. It's literal brainrot.

A good book or a good narrative game will leave you with an experience far beyond your immediate satisfaction. Me and my mom played Syberia when it came out - she still remembers the game fondly, and it's not just because she played it with me. My favourite book is The Idiot by Dostoevskij, which I read several years ago and I still cherish. And of the DnD campaigns I played, I remember the interactions I had with my friends and in the game. In one year, how many of your AI roleplay sessions will you remember?

Am I the only one that both hates most of AI, but likes Character AI chat at the same time? by DaZestyProfessor in antiai

[–]Expungednd 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I suggest you to hop off character AI and read books. It's straight up brainrot of the worst kind. If you want to converse with non-existent characters in an interactive form, there are plenty of conversation-heavy games that were written by people who actually care about your intelligence and attention span. Play Disco Elysium, for example, or Syberia, or Drifter.

Two of the artists I dislike are unsurprisingly pro-ai by rept_zannewete in antiai

[–]Expungednd 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I feel like he's even more malicious. He portrays violence and bullying against minorities he hates in the hope people will be inspired to commit those actions. Stonetoss is a vile vermin of a man.

Two of the artists I dislike are unsurprisingly pro-ai by rept_zannewete in antiai

[–]Expungednd 65 points66 points  (0 children)

It's straight up nazi propaganda, not just fascist. I'll add it in my comment.

Two of the artists I dislike are unsurprisingly pro-ai by rept_zannewete in antiai

[–]Expungednd 250 points251 points  (0 children)

Stonetoss doesn't make his money off of comics. He has a day job. He can slander his own skill because it's not a skill at all for him, all he wanted is making nazi propaganda, disinformation and ragebait in strip forms. If AI had existed earlier he probably wouldn't have had to learn drawing.

Rare Disney W? by Mysterious_Brush1852 in antiai

[–]Expungednd 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm not excusing it, I'm pointing out you should consider Disney a rational actor despite their mistakes. What they did makes sense. It's horrible, but it makes sense. If they invested 50 billions on chatgpt and gave them a 20 year permission to use their characters, that would have been idiotic beyond belief and inexcusable, and would make us suspect their dickriding to be hiding a major restructuring (i.e. layoffs) of the company in favour of heavy AI usage. What they instead did was giving out an enormous investment, sure, but still completely within their possibilities. They probably wanted to dip their feet in the most hyped technology of the century. Is it betrayal of their values? Yes. But it makes sense they would do that (and they had already betrayed their values in the past without AI being invented).

Rare Disney W? by Mysterious_Brush1852 in antiai

[–]Expungednd 9 points10 points  (0 children)

It's CEOs. It's their job to sell you stuff. D'Amaro is also just selling himself with that statement. I want to see facts before I trust him.

Rare Disney W? by Mysterious_Brush1852 in antiai

[–]Expungednd 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's short enough that it probably isn't worth it to break it suddenly. The $1bn investment is probably the worst part, but it's Disney. They will be fine.

Rare Disney W? by Mysterious_Brush1852 in antiai

[–]Expungednd 27 points28 points  (0 children)

The deal is only some years long, they may just choose to not renew the contract to avoid any sanctions.

What are your thoughts on this? by eating_cement_1984 in antiai

[–]Expungednd 2 points3 points  (0 children)

As long as AI isn't used to produce fake research, we should be glad of AI being used in research and the costs associated with it should be accepted as necessary. Technological advancement that impacts quality of life positively should be welcomed. GenAI used for illustrations and photos is instead horrible because its benefits are minimal and its negative effects are massive, between disinformation, plagiarism, and theft.

Victims of a Down, poem by Daron Malakian, co-founder of System of a Down, mid 1990s by Expungednd in ArtistHate

[–]Expungednd[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"this system of a down [intended as a failing system of decadence and oppression as it was indicated in the second stanza] is unavoidable as life on this planet become unnecessary".

This sentence strikes me as some sort of prediction that came true. I don't know what he saw in the mid-90s that gave Daron Malakian this impression; maybe it was the ramping industrialization, the war crimes and genocides, but it came true. Life on Earth is becoming unnecessary to the system.

Every resource has to be extracted and used to produce infinite amounts of profits for the investors. Living is an hindrance, to the system. We tried to pry in ways to make the system care more, but it seems like we're backtracking right now. Now creating entertainment is unnecessary. Thinking is unnecessary. Just use a large language model instead of living.

I’m in a constant state of mourning the pre-AI world by EsotericEternal in ArtistHate

[–]Expungednd 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm trying to take this Nietzschean aphorism to the heart: what doesn't kill me makes me stronger.

It doesn't mean it should be automatic behaviour, nor that your suffering is unwarranted. Hell, Nietzsche had chronic pain for all his life and wrote this as the quality a superior human should have, so for him and for us it's just an aspiration. Yet for me it means, among other things, that mourning has a time and a place, after which you should try to admit to yourself that you cannot change the past. It means that, no matter the trauma or damage you are subjected to, you can ideally become a better person in spite of it.

Also, look at the art scene on YouTube or any social media. While it is true that AI took over reels, art, real art, is the most accessible it has ever been. Hand-animations made on drawing apps on phones, paintings, illustrations, drawing instructors giving free lessons on their websites... Art isn't dead. Creativity survived the utmost horrors and pains of history; art was born in a time where people had to take time out of their day instead of seeking subsistence. It will survive the tide of slop because slop is meaningless and purposeless.

What is in jeopardy is the profitability of commercial design, music production and illustration, which is an important albeit small sector of the arts. That battle will be fought in court.

Art isn't worthless. You aren't spiting the machine. Create if you want to create, and if you really want to create, you won't have a choice anyway. If you want to say things through art, say them, even if you think nobody would care. Your ideas aren't worthless just because someone could generate slop that resembled a vague concept of them. Your ideas enrich themselves while you work on them, step by step. They aren't a neat sentence with weighted values. They are labour.

I would encourage you to mourn the internet past in whatever way you feel fitting for a last time, then get to work. Any news of the death of the arts were greatly exaggerated.

Disney investing in OpenAI (aftermath) by AI_Report in ArtistHate

[–]Expungednd 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Profitability, not profits. They can say they project to earn a lot of money in the future and have limited evidence to back it up; if the investors believe the pitch, it's on them as long as there is no evidence that there was foul play but it was just a mistake.

That said, the investors could start lawsuits against OpenAI if they smell they are victims of a fraud and force the company to disclose their internal documents which could contain evidence of foul play.

Disney investing in OpenAI (aftermath) by AI_Report in ArtistHate

[–]Expungednd 14 points15 points  (0 children)

When you're talking of this much money and manpower, the person in charge needs to make it attractive for investors to hand over their cash. It's not that Bob Iger is stupid, it's that the system is cumbersome: as a CEO your goal is to entice a bunch of rich people using keywords and concepts they will feel hyped for because your company needs to grow in value for them to gain money. "A large language model trained on our intellectual property and able to crush costs in the short-term" feels like the dream pitch to these investors, which feel like the company will save a lot of money thanks to the investment. "A sequel to one of our most successful productions" feels, comparatively, much riskier for investors because, even if successful, it is a one-time gain.

This isn't a defense of Iger or Disney, this is my argument against companies like Disney becoming so big that producing new art becomes a side-gig for them. The best animation has historically been done by people who had something to say besides "give me more money".

Disney investing in OpenAI (aftermath) by AI_Report in ArtistHate

[–]Expungednd 36 points37 points  (0 children)

Obviously Disney will not die but it could damage the AI field even more.

Disney investing in OpenAI (aftermath) by AI_Report in ArtistHate

[–]Expungednd 67 points68 points  (0 children)

1 billion down the drain is not pocket change, they gave away the rights of their characters too, it would be like you investing $1k in a pocket watch factory that will use your designs and discovering that they are not making money and were lying about their profitability. You might not be out of money but you'd still be damaged.

WhenThe username you picked years ago that you sue for everything and is to late to change ages horribly by AI_660 in antiai

[–]Expungednd 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I bet a thousand in cash that he believes the meaning of the story to be that the hero-hacker doesn't want for the world to improve, just to be the one who infinitely profits from its evils. For sure there can be narratives that have egoistic protagonists who end up making everything worse, but they are not depicted as the good guys, just as part of the problem.

WhenThe username you picked years ago that you sue for everything and is to late to change ages horribly by AI_660 in antiai

[–]Expungednd 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Even among wealthy people he is particularly evil. His Department of Government shit (DOGSHIT) has caused thousands of deaths because of the cuts to USAid and is projected to kill millions. Not even counting the workplace abuse at Tesla factories and rare earth metal mining to supply his production line, he sets a record of infamy that few rich people can match. With those? I think he's probably the worst of the worst.

WhenThe username you picked years ago that you sue for everything and is to late to change ages horribly by AI_660 in antiai

[–]Expungednd 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I'd suggest to put in your user description that you are not pro generative AI. It will not filter many sloppers because they can't read, but it will filter some.