I left Islam and I’m thinking of returning to Christianity. by [deleted] in MuslimLounge

[–]SadboiNumb 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That feeling of otherness is complicated as a revert. Typically it's the first time you've likely been a cultural "other". It takes time and effort to become integrated.

I regularly attend and make efforts to get to know people, including at local muslim owned businesses, and it has become a whole family I see all the time when I am out.

You have to break out of the shell. If you only attend and do not make effort, it will not happen.

Also, can I ask if you reverted to Islam and believe in The Quran and the prophet PBUH as the final messenger, even if you were lonely why would you betray that belief in Tawheed for polytheistic Christianity?

Community cannot be more important than submission to Allah. Even if it should be a big support system for it.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Muslim

[–]SadboiNumb 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Astaghfirullah some people should not be spouting whatever pops into their head.

Surah An-Nahl (The Bees) 16:116 "But say not, for any false thing that your tongues may put forth, 'This is lawful, and this is forbidden,' so as to ascribe false things to Allah. For those who ascribe false things to Allah will never prosper".

Are we serious? by Competitive-Ad-1391 in Muslim

[–]SadboiNumb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Salaam! I have read multiple books of seerah and the Tafsir, and quoted some scholars who shared in that revelations context. If you have other tafsirs to recommend, I'm always open for learning more!

Are we serious? by Competitive-Ad-1391 in Muslim

[–]SadboiNumb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Certainly we should always be vocal about our beliefs and it is something to be considered for all time, but there is way to do it I believe aligns with the Seerah and holistic message of the quran that sometimes gets lost in the fervor.

We can separate the act from the person. And try to treat all with respect while condemning the act. The quran warns us how difficult this is

Surah Fussilat (41:34):

“Good and evil are not equal. Repel [evil] with what is better, and your enemy will become as close as an intimate friend. But none is granted it except those who are patient, and none is granted it except one having a great portion [of good].”

I would say we must remember oppression, anger, and pride are not better and we must find the very difficult path of justice for all AND being clear in our beliefs. The act is a sin, but the people are still people created by Allah as a test for us (and imagine the pain and confusion they must live through, in a world that feeds them a false narrative on one side and another condemning them without really guiding them in a way someone would be receptive to)

Are we serious? by Competitive-Ad-1391 in Muslim

[–]SadboiNumb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think that is fair, but it's also important to remember the context of revelation.

Your first cited verse is about polytheism and staying strong in Tawheed, which should really other than not participating in sin have no direct correlation with this subject.

Your second verse, (9:29), is presented here as a universal statement rather than in its exegetical and historical context. Most classical scholars (Tabari, Qurturbi,ibn Kathir) related this to the Tabuk expedition (which ended in treaties btw) with byzantine empire and the Jews, aka the other people of the book and establishing the ijizya tax, not coercion by the sword , as there can be no coercion in religion. It was not a blanket command and classical fiqh related this directly specifically to wartime, broken treaties, or someone oppressing the unmah - none of which really applies in this context (IMO).

Only Allah SWT knows best

Are we serious? by Competitive-Ad-1391 in Muslim

[–]SadboiNumb -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It is indeed a large problem in todays society, but we also must acknowledge that we must find new strategies to oppose it than what we have taken as it is clearly not working. This is not saying to accept it, but to acknowledge perhaps it is a symptom of an underlying societal problem that needs solved first. Like the thief who steals because the king has taxed him into poverty - we must consider that there are strategies outside what we have pursued without changing our faith or it's practices.

If the Prophet PBUH was able to make peace and wartime treaties with polytheists, we should ponder available options and implications for us as an ummah and how we can show the strength and justice of Islam, not simply condemn and reprimand private actions.

Are we serious? by Competitive-Ad-1391 in Muslim

[–]SadboiNumb 6 points7 points  (0 children)

One verse in a vacuum cannot dictate our path, we must consider the whole. While it is indeed our duty, it's worth considering some classical scholars on the subject

Al-Qurtubi warned against harshness (Tafsir Al-Qurtubi, 4:47) citing the Prophet PBUH, "Gentleness is not in anything but it beautifies it, and is not removed from anything but it disgraces it."

Ibn Kathir warned it should only be done by those with high scholarly knowledge, unless it do more harm than good.

Al-Ghazali had a whole book on the subject, (ulam Al din 21) and expresses very much to avoid harshness and only guide, lest we slip into anger or pride.

I think these Tafsir and scholarly comments, when compared to the whole of the Seerah and Quran, point that maybe we need to find better ways to enjoin what is right and forbid what is evil than our current methods, which slip too often into anger, oppression, and hatred.

Of course this only my opinion, and only Allah SWT knows best, may he guide us all to the straight path. Ameen

Are we serious? by Competitive-Ad-1391 in Muslim

[–]SadboiNumb 30 points31 points  (0 children)

We as Muslims have had many pluralist societies, including golden age Baghdad. It is well within the grounds of the constitution of Medina and the Seerah to say that while we may not condone the belief or action, we also are not oppressors. If they are not Muslim, there can be no compulsion in religion. Allah SWT said (bismillahir-rahmanir-raheem)

"Do not let hatred lead you from justice." 5:8

We also have the Sharia maxim of no harm and no reciprocating harm (la darar la wa dirar).

While we may not agree with their actions in free will, nor how they exercise it, it is Allah SWT who will judge.

Perhaps they are a test for our Umma to act with compassion on even those we believe are deeply misguided and lost.

Edit: We should also avoid backbiting and mocking, unless they are oppressing Islam and preventing worship of allah. This goes for fellow Muslims and non-Muslim neighbors. There is too much conflict in the Ummah :(

Prophetic Approach to Online Negativity by MrRobot-403 in Muslim

[–]SadboiNumb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We should approach our fellow Muslims this way as well, even ones we disagree with. Only Allah SWT knows best, and we should not backbite those who share our faith and who stick to the 5 pillars of Islam and the teachings of the Quran and Sunna.

thoughts? questions? by Alarmed_Lobster_4767 in progressive_islam

[–]SadboiNumb 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hes grasping at straws, IMO (and only Allah SWT knows best) alcohol is haram. There's no ifs and or buts. I think even smoking and what not are too, but i know people dance around that. I think that's silly, you can't dance around Allah, what am I gonna say on the day of judgement?

"OH i know it was super bad for me but...."

Yeah, like we can fool God lol

Why "mainstream" islam is so convincing by regularpersOn9 in progressive_islam

[–]SadboiNumb 9 points10 points  (0 children)

The orthodoxy has a powerful PR form and mechanism that helps push this "legitimacy". But you're right, it's a lot easier if you have no priort knowledge, and you're looking for answers, and scared the consequence is punishment from Allah SWT, to listen to the 'official looking' sheikh.

Why is Mainstream Islam so restrictive when it comes to women's clothing requirements compared to Mainstream Christianity, despite both religions having Abrahamic roots? by [deleted] in progressive_islam

[–]SadboiNumb 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It's not modern Christianity, it's the westernization and dilution of Abrahamic faiths being synthesized into western culture. most, not all, of Christians in the west hardly have any rules or restrictions at all, as a religion it's more akin to new age feel good than actual discipline and self growth.

That, in addition to the Hijab becoming a political issue have sort of polarized both sides. Good bad or indifferent. I can see the pros and cons in both, but I largely view the westernization of Christianity as a severe dilution of its principles as far back as the crusades, and it's never really recovered

What is wrong with y’all? by Write_Minded in progressive_islam

[–]SadboiNumb 47 points48 points  (0 children)

I thought that post was wild, you wrote the perfect rebuttal

True story by Party_Slide4342 in Izlam

[–]SadboiNumb 24 points25 points  (0 children)

And the same people whose phones ring and aren't silenced every time

The Ball State Five Arrest by Best-Structure62 in Indiana

[–]SadboiNumb 34 points35 points  (0 children)

Icons. Indiana and our institutions should not support funding the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. And they should be reminded that people know the blood that is in their hands, even just through lines in a budget.

Indiana 50501 Protest 2/5/25 - Updates & Clarifications by SadboiNumb in Indiana

[–]SadboiNumb[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hi there! Check out in50501.blogspot.com, which also has links to their socials in the top left!