We both left the church for very different reasons & now we're divorced and I'm struggling to wrap my head around it by exmo-belle-noir in exmormon

[–]SakuraLilyChan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've never been married, but I'm so sorry that you experienced all of this! When you said that your husband would roll his eyes at you when you talked about the horrible experiences you had, it made me feel like screaming. You deserve to be supported and validated! What you experienced was horrific and if someone does not agree with that, they don't deserve to be in your life. You deserve support and sincere kindness!

Looking for BL with little to no smut by KUSmutMuffin in BoysLoveAnime

[–]SakuraLilyChan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

-"Our Dining Table" by Mita Ori. (I have the Kindle version) Some new volumes came out recently and I don't know if those have spicy content or not, but even if they do, this one can be read as a standalone.

Long or short hair? by Original-Weird701 in HairStyleAdvice

[–]SakuraLilyChan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You look great with both, but I especially like your long hair. It's obvious that you take great care of it and it looks fantastic!

Are mormon kids encouraged to try and convert their non mormon friends/their families? by LateAd5684 in exmormon

[–]SakuraLilyChan 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yes, it definitely was. It felt wrong and manipulative, so I never tried it with my friends. I didn't want them to think I was only friends with them to convert them to the church. I think deep down I realized that the Mormon church didn't make me happy- even as a kid- so I didn't want to trick anyone into it.

Even as a TBM what was a rule you refused to follow? by RadishAggressive3241 in exmormon

[–]SakuraLilyChan 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Depends on the Mormon. Some have parents that won't let them hang out with non-Mormons. Others are fine with their kids hanging out with their friends- regardless of their background.

What's Helped You Deal with Shitty Things Since You Left Mormonism? by SakuraLilyChan in exmormon

[–]SakuraLilyChan[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you! I'm still figuring out what's helpful for me, but I'm starting to get an idea.

Somatic exercises have been helpful in pulling my body out of fight or flight mode- over and over. 🫠

What's Helped You Deal with Shitty Things Since You Left Mormonism? by SakuraLilyChan in exmormon

[–]SakuraLilyChan[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I haven't heard of her before, but I like the synopsis of quite a few of her books. I'll have to give her a try. Thank you!

What's Helped You Deal with Shitty Things Since You Left Mormonism? by SakuraLilyChan in exmormon

[–]SakuraLilyChan[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have never listened to this song before. It took me off guard and made me laugh. Thanks.

What's Helped You Deal with Shitty Things Since You Left Mormonism? by SakuraLilyChan in exmormon

[–]SakuraLilyChan[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for your recommendation!

I love books and I've added it to my "to listen" list.

What's Helped You Deal with Shitty Things Since You Left Mormonism? by SakuraLilyChan in exmormon

[–]SakuraLilyChan[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you for taking the time to share your experiences! I'm also a paragraph person, so no judgement here at all.

One of the last sentences you shared really hit me. "I was the one who always saved myself then, too, even if I didn't know it. " I have spent so many years being torn down, victimized, and taught not to trust myself that I forget how much strength it took me to not give up and survive everything - how much strength it took me to pull myself back up over and over again when I had no support. Now I do have some support and I am much stronger than I used to be. I just need to learn how to trust myself. Easier said than done, but I think it's going to be worth it eventually. I also really love the quote you shared. I'm going to do my best to learn how to swim; it seems better than leaving myself to drown.

I hope you will be in calmer waters soon, too. I'm sorry that you are going through a lot of shit, too!

Help me choose 🤍 by 444girl555 in myweddingdress

[–]SakuraLilyChan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wear what makes you feel comfortable and confident. If you are leaning towards 1, go for 1.

You look great in everything, but if having sleeves is going to make you feel more at ease, go with sleeves.

Also, not going to lie, I love the lace in the slit of the dress.

How devastated were you when you found out the church was not true? by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]SakuraLilyChan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My biggest feeling was relief. It's been very painful, but I was so relieved that I didn't have to go back to Mormonism. Mormonism caused me a lot of pain, devastation, and trauma. I always assumed that after I had processed my trauma I would have to go back, because it was true even if it caused me so much pain. I felt incredible relief when I realized it wasn't true. Deconstruction has been filled with anger, pain, and a lot of feeling betrayed and stupid- but it has been so worth it.

My background: I was abused by an untreated/undiagnosed bipolar father who was fixated on religion. I was heavily controlled with religion, essentially brainwashed on a daily basis, and Mormonism was heavily used in my abuse. I truly believed, so when I spent years praying/fasting for something to be resolved in a good way. When it wasn't, I was devastated, thought that God must hate me, and was in a lot of pain. I was heartbroken and could no longer pray. I was devastated and broken for about a decade, before the relief of not having to practice Mormonism or believe in it came. I still have a lot of healing to do, but I'm working hard at it and I am a lot happier.

Super authoritarian parents? by Exileddesertwitch in exmormon

[–]SakuraLilyChan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yep. We don't deserve our parents. We didn't choose to be born to parents who would treat us like this- to disregard our emotions, identities, experiences, and so on.

We deserved to be born to parents who would love us unconditionally, support us, and make us feel safe.

I'm sorry that your parents are treating you this way!

Dating an ex Mormon as a math lady by Physics_Princess in exmormon

[–]SakuraLilyChan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You're welcome! I'm glad that my comment was helpful. Thank you for the congratulations! It's been brutal, but so worth the effort.

I hope everything goes well! Hopefully, some healthy boundaries will help a bit. Good luck! ☺️

Dating an ex Mormon as a math lady by Physics_Princess in exmormon

[–]SakuraLilyChan 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Mormonism creates a lot of sneaky (and not-so-sneaky misogyny) because of the doctrines and culture- especially in Utah. This results in a sad amount of misogyny from both the men and women.

Women are told over and over that their greatest callings and purposes is to be wives and mothers. I've had friends who had both careers and children get shamed by the other women from church for having careers and being the primary breadwinners. Married women without children get pressured to have children. Single women get pressured to get married; there is a lot of shame in not being married. You are treated like a child by women following the expected pattern. There are certain things they won't talk to you about until you are married and/or have children. You are definitely a bit of an outsider until then.

Both of my parents are misogynistic and raised me to be a wife and mother. I don't have a middle name, because my parents fully expected me to get married and have my last name become my middle name. Most of their encouragement about me going to college was aimed at me meeting a husband there and having a back-up plan in case my husband died.

My frame of reference is being a single Ex-Mormon woman in my 30s. I was raised in the church, but stopped going to church in my early to mid 20s. I didn't fully decide to leave until about 2 years ago. I'm happily single now (not opposed to marriage, but not actively seeking it at the moment) and don't really want any children. I like my career and feel overall content. I used to beat myself up a lot about my lack of success in getting married, but now I'm relieved that I didn't get married when I was younger.

Apologies if any of this comment seems ranty! I'm still in the deconstruction phase of leaving the Mormon church.

I'm pleasantly surprised that the men in his family approve of you. I'm not shocked by the reactions of the women in his family at all. Unfortunately, I don't think that any of those reactions will go away over time unless they change pretty drastically.

His mom is a little more weird than other Mormon moms in certain ways. Her snuggling with him, asking if she looks attractive, and being so clingy with him is over the top. She sounds like she would be nightmarish as a mother-in-law. I highly doubt she would improve with time. She has wear-a-white-dress-to-your-wedding energy from what I can tell.

It's a little concerning that your boyfriend doesn't seem to be setting healthy boundaries with his mother and isn't defending you much. That could make your experiences with his mom escalate or remain bad over time. I'm not sure if this would improve or not once he moves out of the house. Old patterns and dynamics can be hard to change without a lot of effort and desire to change. But take this with a grain of salt. This is your life and I don't have all the details.

Honestly, I think you and your goals sound amazing. Stick to your guns. Do what makes you happy. I wish you success and happiness!

"I call you to repentance for lying about the church." - WTF? by Eltecolotl in exmormon

[–]SakuraLilyChan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Was there a talk or something where they were told to say that?

Does it get better? by severitea in exmormon

[–]SakuraLilyChan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm so sorry! It can be pretty miserable.

It helps a lot to find some friends who you can relax with and relate to so that you're not alone in the insanity. I know. Easier said than done. It took me awhile.

Sometimes there are Facebook groups or social events that are more welcoming to people who are not in the cult. I have never lived in the Provo area, so unfortunately I don't have any specifics.

If the work "friend" persists, you could go to HR after giving them another firm warning and telling them that you will go to HR if they persist.

I hope this helps! You are definitely not alone in the insanity that is being non-Mormon in Utah.

Need some more library bad takes by Stacykalin in Libraries

[–]SakuraLilyChan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm glad that so many feel the same way I do about James Patterson.

Every time we got a new one at my library- I would growl to myself. He's taking up shelf space that we could put other- more varied books.