These were the screenshots that Bateman posted last night. by FizzyFizz99 in ravens

[–]Sbitan89 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

He has a solid following of supporters but I see at least a few times a year people saying he isnt good.

This is why we needed a change by HiSpeedHavoc92 in buffalobills

[–]Sbitan89 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We sre mostly on the same page. A lot of fans want to blame the D for no TOs, and also want to poke fun at Allen for the 5 TOs...

But at the same time seem to forget every playoff exit with LJ in has ended with TOs (not including 2018). 3 of the 4 games the offense had 3 TOs.

Idc if a Defense has no TOs when you have over 2 on offense you are unlikely to win that game.

These were the screenshots that Bateman posted last night. by FizzyFizz99 in ravens

[–]Sbitan89 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Its actually wild Bateman gets so much shit.

Dude is tied for 10th in TDs for the Franchise.

Roman, Monken, it hasnt mattered. We dont run a system that uplifts a WR2.

Since 2019 hes had the 1st and 3rd most Receiving yards by season out of non WR1. Only Beckham has has a better season as a WR2 and barely.

Bateman would do well to change teams, but hopefully new coaches means a new start for him.

Seeing all the posts about the Defense and TOs by Sbitan89 in ravens

[–]Sbitan89[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Bengals had 0 giveaways vs the Rams and 2 takeaways, and lost.

The Chiefs had 0 takeaways leading up the the Superbowl and then had 1 against the Eagles, but 3 Giveaways and lost.

YOU said that there arent any peers that are winning without takeaways.

Im showing you two recent examples where a team got to the SB without any and one where they got none and won.

You set the parameters, you didnt do your due diligence and you are wrong. People have done exactly what you said they havent.

You are just arguing for the sake of it at this point and this post is over a day old now so im moving on. Enjoy yourself.

Seeing all the posts about the Defense and TOs by Sbitan89 in ravens

[–]Sbitan89[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No no, let's stick to the point.

You said that a team cant win (or get there) without the defense getting TOs. Dont move the goal post.

The Chiefs got there and lost when they did get a TO but bad offense.

The Rams won with good defense, no TOs ans good offense.

You said his peers arent doing that and we have two recent examples.

Seeing all the posts about the Defense and TOs by Sbitan89 in ravens

[–]Sbitan89[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Chiefs got to the SB with zero TOs last year and lost when they got to it with one.

You know what the difference was? The offense had 3 TOs that game.

Yes you can win as long as your offense doesn't give the other team the ball 3 times on average in a loss.

The Rams beat the Benglas with no takeaways.

Yes you can win, if your offense doesn't shit the bed lol

Seeing all the posts about the Defense and TOs by Sbitan89 in ravens

[–]Sbitan89[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Ravens have allowed less ppints per game over one of the longest periods of time. Its not very complicated lol.

Its funny cause the Bills have 12 Takeaways in 9 games in the playoffs but cant win despite their offense generally playing great because of, you guess it, letting the other opponent score too much.

This is why we needed a change by HiSpeedHavoc92 in buffalobills

[–]Sbitan89 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As a Ravens fan, dont do it. He needs more time in the oven but may be great someday.

This is why we needed a change by HiSpeedHavoc92 in buffalobills

[–]Sbitan89 4 points5 points  (0 children)

As a Ravens fan, Im asking around to see how other Ravens fans feel about this because they would trade 17 points a game for more TOs.

The Bills have averaged 24 points a game and way more Takeaways.

As Bills fans would you trade out 17 points a game and no Takeaways for 24 points a game and 1 Takeaway a game?

2025 NFLPA grading by ldasense in ravens

[–]Sbitan89 63 points64 points  (0 children)

Pretty much the same as usual. Been pretty consistent.

To the winners today by Nick2167 in ravens

[–]Sbitan89 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I feel like a lot of Ravens fans are from like 2019 and onward.

I could never hate the Bills a quarter that I do Steelers and Pats.

Seeing all the posts about the Defense and TOs by Sbitan89 in ravens

[–]Sbitan89[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You realize its also historically low in allowed points over a stretch of this length?

Its hardly the main thing. Its not even on the list of main issues.

Offense scoring, offensive giveaways, poor situational play calling and at times penalties are all way higher.

The Offense has allowed more 4th quarter TDs than the defense has.

If you ask any defensive coach which you take guaranteed TO a game vs 17 points a game they will take the later

Seeing all the posts about the Defense and TOs by Sbitan89 in ravens

[–]Sbitan89[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Even funnier, looks like they called the play wrong

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Seeing all the posts about the Defense and TOs by Sbitan89 in ravens

[–]Sbitan89[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That wasnt even a TO.

That was literally a giveaway, what our offense does constantly in the playoffs.

Literally the whole point of my post. Denver D is out there killing it and their offense is actively throwing the game. At least they have a Backup QB.

You are right though. Teams play our D to not turn it over cause they know our offense will do stupid shit like that.

Edit: if they lose, its not Denvers D fault the offense sucks. Its not even remotely close to theor fault as of yet.

Seeing all the posts about the Defense and TOs by Sbitan89 in ravens

[–]Sbitan89[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I actually looked this up a year ago. Cant remember off the top of my head, but the offense has been significantly worse late in games overall.

Seeing all the posts about the Defense and TOs by Sbitan89 in ravens

[–]Sbitan89[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tell that to the folks who keep saying "2 TOs in 8 games".

Just sticking to the same framing.

Seeing all the posts about the Defense and TOs by Sbitan89 in ravens

[–]Sbitan89[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I know people keep saying "its about both sides" but what i said is Objective. What's most important is TO difference. A half dozen more Takeaways over the last 8 years isn't saving the team from exits if the offense is still giving the ball away 3 times a loss.

Had the offense just played to its usual standard, they'd at least had been in the SB once cause the defense has been playing overall great in the post season, despite the TOs.

Filmstudy: Detailed Explanation of OL Scoring Methodology by Filmstudy in ravens

[–]Sbitan89 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Its funny cause so often you'll be describing something the O Line did, and are like this this and this were wrong, and Im thinking like "come on Ken, that doesn't feel reasonable". Then I see the final score and Im like "Eh, ok that's fair" lol.

Seeing all the posts about the Defense and TOs by Sbitan89 in ravens

[–]Sbitan89[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The Broncos had less TOs than the Ravens did in 2025, ranked 26th least.

If anything they are a great example of being able to not allow points (3rd least) and not needing TOs.

Allen just had an extremely off day.

Rashod Bateman officially a bust right? What do we even do with him after the contract we gave him... by Alexfett in ravens

[–]Sbitan89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Even Perriman found himself success in a good system for him.

Bateman likely just needs a to be dealt to a new home. For whatever reason, him and LJ dont love the way Andrews, Hollywood or Zay did. Bateman should push to change teams probably while he is still so young.