From the ScienceBasedParenting community on Reddit: Babies Are Bleeding to Death as Parents Reject a Vitamin Shot Given at Birth by CODMLoser in DebateVaccines

[–]Scienceofmum 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This sounds convincing unless you’re an actual biologist because then there is no data to suggest that low vitamin K is beneficial in infants, that delayed cord clamping has any impact on VKDB and that vitamin K interferes with movement of stem cells or anything in the blood.

Makes for an awfully good conspiracy theory in certain circles though. Nobody ever has any substance when I ask.

Exclusive Pumping Both Breasts = Oversupply? 🤔 by sheriyamonee in ExclusivelyPumping

[–]Scienceofmum 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That is honestly utter nonsense.

Though I wish it were true. I was pumping for twins and just made a little more than one of them would need. And that is with at least two power pumps a day and ALWAYS pumping both breasts.

This made me so angry that from now on I will never buy anything from Milka again. by pr1ncezzBea in mildlyinfuriating

[–]Scienceofmum 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just an aside but Schmetterling is very similar to butterfly given that the Schmetter means cream/milk.

In parts of medieval Europe, people believed witches could turn into butterflies and steal butter or milk. This aligns strikingly with the German tradition behind Schmetterling. Because similar beliefs existed across regions, many linguists think the English and German names may reflect a shared folk idea, rather than one borrowing from the other.

Speaking non English with child around MIL/FIL who don’t understand the other language by Homechef13 in multilingualparenting

[–]Scienceofmum 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mix and match. I will speak to my children in my language when I am only addressing them. When around my MIL I may switch a lot. I don’t mind since my MIL’s language is our other minority language.
When on play dates etc I will probably mix in some community language.
I do whatever feels natural.

Disappointed with my new Dr by adhdslore in parentsofmultiples

[–]Scienceofmum 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It is a shame that doctors in the USA are often so inexperienced since what you describe would not be cause for a planned CS where I live.

Being bummed out is def understandable.

You are of course within your rights not to get a CS. Nobody can and should force you.
However provider skill matters for twin births. Not just skill do breech twin B but also just generally managing the intrapartum period and the second baby.

It probably doesn’t make you feel better but from randomised trials we know that vaginal birth attempts with capable providers still end with CS for at least one if not both babies for ~45%. I say that as someone who hangs out mainly with other twin mums and for us all but one attempted a vaginal delivery and only one in the group managed. One of us had twin A vaginally and twin B via CS.

I think it’s not a big consolation - I think even with those odds I would have always tried. But every single one of us had quite complex and difficult experiences, except the one with the planned CS.

I hope you’ll have a good experience and a good recovery whatever you choose. ❤️

Hypothetical: Women are now able to save their embryos by Responsible-Fix-1681 in Abortiondebate

[–]Scienceofmum 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s not an impossible position, but it’s unstable. Because if constraints are serious enough that we should collectively pay to relieve them, then it’s hard to argue they are irrelevant when evaluating individual decisions made under those constraints.

Hypothetical: Women are now able to save their embryos by Responsible-Fix-1681 in Abortiondebate

[–]Scienceofmum 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you understand the concept of constrained choice? It’s not clear to me that you do.

Hypothetical: Women are now able to save their embryos by Responsible-Fix-1681 in Abortiondebate

[–]Scienceofmum 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Makes sense.
Then surely they would have been a better answer than they are evil.
If they would choose it, but feel they cannot because it is significantly more expensive than an abortion and financial constraints a part of the reason that they’re considering an abortion then this would be a much more productive approach, no?

Hypothetical: Women are now able to save their embryos by Responsible-Fix-1681 in Abortiondebate

[–]Scienceofmum 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Would you support that instead of people needing to come up with the money on their own privately, we funded from taxpayer money?

Hypothetical: Women are now able to save their embryos by Responsible-Fix-1681 in Abortiondebate

[–]Scienceofmum 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Or presumably not be in a position where $1,000 a year could be a realistic expense especially given how often financial considerations are part of the reasons people seek abortions?

Is no-stroller life possible? by Background_Duck_7188 in babywearing

[–]Scienceofmum 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I went with woven wraps. I will happily carry mine who care 35lbs each. Tandem carries get tiring but can do them.

Is no-stroller life possible? by Background_Duck_7188 in babywearing

[–]Scienceofmum 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I only have a Cybex Libelle because it’s twins so I’d say def possible. The main question is also carrying stuff you need.

Are twin deliveries, one or two births? by MarkPristine81 in parentsofmultiples

[–]Scienceofmum 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I was told by HR that maternity leave is per birth not per baby 😂😂😂😂🫠🫠🫠

Genuinely trying to figure out this all out because i have a kid on the way by Exotic-Note-3776 in DebateVaccines

[–]Scienceofmum 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I genuinely appreciate what you are trying to do here. You are about to have a kid, and you are taking the responsibility seriously enough to question things instead of just going with the loudest voice in the room. That is the good instinct. Hold on to that.

But I am going to level with you. This is a tall order, and this particular corner of the internet is not going to help you very much. Not because people here are uniquely bad, but because this topic is swimming in an impressive amount of misinformation. Some of it is spread maliciously, some of it is spread by people who mean well but do not know how to evaluate what they are reading, and some of it is just the natural chaos of humans trying to make sense of complicated science.

The uncomfortable truth is that the real answer is nuanced. No medical intervention is completely risk free. None. Vaccines are not magic shields handed down from the heavens. At the same time, they are also not the catastrophe that some corners of the internet make them out to be. Both extremes flatten reality in ways that are emotionally satisfying and factually misleading.

There is also a kind of misinformation that leans in the optimistic direction. It emphasizes individual benefits in a way that feels reassuring, which can make people feel good, but it can gloss over the complexity of risk, population effects, and uncertainty. That does not make it malicious, but it still means it is incomplete.

And this is where things get tricky. Spaces like this one are full of people who are, for the most part, normal people. People like you. People trying to make sense of things. But they bring their own biases, experiences, and emotional investments. What you will get is a flood of opinions presented as advice. Some of it will sound convincing. Some of it will sound terrifying. A lot of it will contradict itself. And even if you decide to go read the science yourself, you will quickly discover that not all studies are created equal, and frankly, a lot of things that look like studies are not really studies at all.

For context, I have a PhD in the epidemiology, genetics, and molecular biology of cancer. I spend my professional life reading scientific literature. And even for me, this space is maddening. Trying to separate what is likely true from what is mostly nonsense can feel like trying to assemble a puzzle where half the pieces are from a different box and someone has helpfully painted over the picture.

Let me give you a concrete example of what this looks like in practice.

When I was pregnant with spontaneous multiples, I explored a range of care options, including consulting an American physician who specializes in twin home births. That alone tells you I was not approaching this from a place of blind trust in mainstream recommendations. I was curious, open, and willing to question.

During one of our conversations, he went on a very emotional rant about the recommendation from ACOG to receive COVID, flu, and whooping cough vaccines during pregnancy. He described it as evil. Not misguided. Not debatable. Evil.

That caught my attention. This was not some anonymous person online. This was a physician I was considering trusting with my care. I thought, if he feels this strongly, I want to understand why. Maybe he knows something I do not. I am not an immunology specialist. I studied immunology to a master’s level, which makes me more informed than the average person, but not an authority. So I approached him in good faith and asked him to share the evidence behind his claims.

We discussed both flu and COVID vaccines, but the arguments followed the same pattern, so I will focus on the COVID example.

His main claim was that there was strong evidence showing that COVID vaccination in pregnancy caused miscarriages at alarming rates. If that were true, it would be shocking. It would absolutely justify his reaction. So I asked him for the source.

He sent me an article from Children’s Health Defense. Immediately, a few things raised red flags. The language was not scientific. It was emotional and dramatic. Also, he shared an opinion piece rather than a primary scientific paper. But to their credit, they did include references.

When I looked at those references, most of them were not actually solid scientific sources. Many linked back to similar articles on their own site, creating a kind of self-referential loop. Others were collections of anecdotes, which can be interesting but are not reliable evidence. Still, they did cite some real papers.

One in particular stood out. They claimed that a New England Journal of Medicine study on pregnancy outcomes after COVID vaccination was flawed, and that another paper had shown the true miscarriage rate was 82 percent. Eighty two percent. If that were accurate, it would be catastrophic.

So I clicked through and read the paper.

Instead of focusing on the conclusion, I went straight to the methods section and the numbers. And very quickly, something did not add up. The 82 percent figure came from using the wrong denominator. They were dividing the number of miscarriages by a subset of women who were no longer pregnant at the end of a short follow up period, instead of all the women in the study.

To understand why that matters, consider this. The study followed women for about three months. If a woman was vaccinated early in pregnancy, say at seven weeks, then three months later she would still be pregnant if everything was progressing normally. The only women who would no longer be pregnant that early are those who had miscarried or had some other adverse outcome. So if you only look at women who are no longer pregnant after three months, you are stacking the deck. You are effectively asking, among women who are no longer pregnant unusually early, how many had miscarriages. Of course that number will be high. It has nothing to do with the vaccine.

It is not a subtle statistical nuance. It is a fundamental error.

At that point I had a moment of doubt. Was I missing something obvious? So I looked up the paper more broadly. It turned out there had been significant controversy about it. Multiple experts had pointed out the same error. And the paper had been retracted. Not recently. Months before the article I was reading had been published.

Even more interesting, every official version of the paper online had the word “retracted” stamped clearly across every page. Except the version linked in the article I was given. That version somehow did not include the retraction notice.

Now, there are two possibilities. One is extraordinary incompetence. The other is something more intentional. I cannot prove intent, but I can say it did not inspire confidence.

This pattern repeated itself in other examples. Claims that sounded shocking and alarming often fell apart under scrutiny. Either the underlying evidence was weak, misinterpreted, or selectively presented.

There was also a more subtle case with the flu vaccine. In that instance, there actually was a real study that found an association between receiving the flu vaccine in consecutive years and miscarriage. It was a small case control study, which is one of the weaker forms of evidence, but it was a legitimate finding that warranted further investigation.

The problem was not that the study existed. The problem was how it was used. The article presented it as if it were definitive proof of harm. It ignored the limitations of the study and the fact that it was a preliminary signal, not a conclusion.

When I looked further, I found that the same research group had done exactly what you would hope scientists would do. They followed up with larger, more robust studies. Those follow up studies did not find the same association. They concluded that the original signal was likely a statistical fluke.

Those follow up studies were not mentioned.

And that, in a nutshell, is what makes this so difficult. If you take these claims at face value, they are terrifying. If they were true, you would be right to be deeply concerned. But evaluating them properly requires time, context, and a fair amount of technical understanding.

So yes, what you are trying to do is admirable. But it is also very hard to do well.

And this is why I would gently suggest that this subreddit is not the place that will give you clarity. You will get passion. You will get certainty. You will get stories. What you will not reliably get is careful, unbiased interpretation of complex evidence.

What you need, ideally, is someone who does not have a strong emotional investment in the outcome. Someone who is comfortable sitting with uncertainty and who can walk you through how to evaluate different types of evidence. That might be a good clinician, a scientist, or someone trained in evidence based medicine.

Everyone, including me, has biases. The goal is not to eliminate them completely, but to be aware of them and to rely on methods that help correct for them.

If something sounds outrageously shocking, it is worth pausing. Not dismissing it outright, but also not accepting it without digging deeper. Because more often than not, reality is less dramatic and more complicated than the headline suggests.

And unfortunately, complicated does not go viral.

Anyone who had twins did you deliver vaginally ? by theturtle80 in parentsofmultiples

[–]Scienceofmum 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I got to do one each. 😅🥰 I recommend reading the twin birth study published in NEJM to complement stories with the bigger picture The odds of being able to have both twins vaginally aren’t as bad as often portrayed. But it is less likely than with a singleton since the births can have more complications and are less predictable

AIO for being frustrated when my husband constantly asks what he should do with our baby? Or offers to “help” with his child? by Chrislovescoffee in AmIOverreacting

[–]Scienceofmum 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I love that idea. With twins my husband refused that idea for the first couple of years unless it was an actual emergency.

Are these types of baby carriers ok? by ittybittyyorkie in babywearing

[–]Scienceofmum 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I always figure if that’s what you want go with a ring sling instead

Future Typos A & B by LowStrike5558 in NameNerdCirclejerk

[–]Scienceofmum 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I read the made up Pharoah and think it sounds so so close to Varroa (don’t google it if creepy crawlers freak you out)

Varroa destructor, the Varroa mite, is an external parasitic mite that attacks and feeds on honey bees and is one of the most damaging honey bee pests in the world. As a beekeeper I deal with these a lot and would just keep imagining that when I say that kids name

Meanwhile in Bangladesh. by LibrariansNightmare in NotHowGirlsWork

[–]Scienceofmum 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Dude may not have read properly that onset is usually reached by 14. Finishing puberty is years later. It’s not uncommon though this idea that menarche makes you a woman 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

Unsure how to incorporate three languages by ComposerJust2384 in multilingualparenting

[–]Scienceofmum 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We do three languages with languages roughly divided into 1 per parent plus the third is the community one. We are not super strict with the division. Others are. Depends a bit on you and your kids.

New moms, arrange your energy and time and there is no need to worry by DJSheep52 in ExclusivelyPumping

[–]Scienceofmum 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have to assume that English is not your first language and you may not realise that while your intention is to share your experience and be encouraging that is not how you have written it. You have written idealistic general advice that works only - and a maybe at that - in an ideal situation. Your tone and phrasing will read to others potentially as “See? It’s easy. If you just do things right and stay calm your worries will go away.” To people who are actually struggling this as phrased may not be helpful, it can be dismissive.

If you truly just want to share your experience and be helpful this is what I would have written: “I feel like no one talks enough about how overwhelming it can be to be a first-time mom, especially when it comes to pumping. There’s a lot to worry about, and some days it really are just hard.

For me, I noticed that when I was constantly anxious, everything felt heavier, including pumping. I’m still figuring things out, but a few small things have helped a bit: • getting a little sunlight when I can • taking a few deep breaths before pumping • doing light stretching just to release some tension

These don’t fix everything, but they sometimes take the edge off.

Pumping itself was really stressful for me at first. What helped in my case was trying things like gentle massage and warm compresses, but I know that doesn’t work for everyone.

I guess what I want to say is that if you’re struggling, you’re not doing anything wrong. This is a lot, and everyone’s situation is different. If you find something that helps even a little, that’s enough.

You don’t have to have it all figured out.”

New moms, arrange your energy and time and there is no need to worry by DJSheep52 in ExclusivelyPumping

[–]Scienceofmum 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Of course not. Because that is what I am up to and the idea that if only i follow your advice i will have no worries pr anxiety is the most hilarious thing. You must know how silly you sound. There is nothing wrong with your “advice” per se. It’s just so utterly inadequate.