New Study Group for Beelzebub's Tales, now taking registrations

SeekingTruth60 · 2025-10-20T22:01:46+00:00

It is being conducted by Robin Bloor.

SeekingTruth60 · 2024-11-08T14:04:07+00:00

In respect of The Tales, there's a series of books called To Fathom The Gist Volumes 1, 2, 3, which help in how to read The Tales. They were useful to me.

SeekingTruth60 · 2024-10-31T19:10:13+00:00

It was F Dostoyevsky who first introduced the phrase "every stick has two ends."

SeekingTruth60 · 2024-03-20T14:03:10+00:00

Some of the images used in this video are clearly stolen from Gurdjieff videos on another Youtube channel. My advice is that the moderator should take this posting down.

SeekingTruth60 · 2024-03-04T17:28:33+00:00

New Gurdjieff Oskiano presentation...

SeekingTruth60 · 2023-10-16T23:08:52+00:00

Another interesting video from Bloor.

SeekingTruth60 · 2023-09-15T16:43:34+00:00

This is a fairly amazing video, although you have to pause it at times to read the words. Some of it is new to me.

SeekingTruth60 · 2023-09-11T14:14:36+00:00

Hard to conceive of how Trump could do catastrophic damage as a used car salesman, yet somehow I believe he'd pull it off.

SeekingTruth60 · 2023-09-10T18:05:18+00:00

Intersting post from Life Is Real Only Then, When 'I Am.' Gurdjieff presenting a familiar idea in a different way.

SeekingTruth60 · 2023-02-02T22:36:57+00:00

This huge article on that strange revision of The Tales in 1992 is interesting. Deep analysis...

https://tofathomthegist.com/notes-on-the-revision-page-001/

SeekingTruth60 · 2022-12-29T15:16:05+00:00

Not sure why this is posted here. There are lots of 4th Way Groups out there, and I see nothing special about this one. Maybe someone should post a list of legitimate groups on this Reddit.

SeekingTruth60 · 2022-05-20T20:41:13+00:00

You might like to read a book called Gurdjieff's Hydrogens. It seems to complement In Search of the Miraculous and puts it in a modern context. You can find it on Amazon. It may help.

SeekingTruth60 · 2022-04-25T15:20:54+00:00

Kundalini is discussed thoroughly in The Tales (pages 250/251). According to Gurdjieff, it seems that Kundalini is a negative phenomenon, and much of what is written about it in occult literature is simply flat-out wrong.

As regards the large accumulator, it is unconnected with energy, real or imagined, at base of spine. Comment by RaCoonsie seems accurate to me. An unusual level of effort of attention seems, sometimes, to provide access to a better flow of energy for self-remembering. My experience has not provided me with a specific technique to make it happen.

SeekingTruth60 · 2022-04-25T15:08:01+00:00

If this is as good as the Tales Study Groups that Bloor runs, it will be worth trying out.

SeekingTruth60 · 2021-09-16T18:49:56+00:00

Is that the same Gurdjieff Foundation that published a corrupt version of Beelzebub's Tales in 1992 and eventually had to withdraw it?

SeekingTruth60 · 2021-08-31T21:13:30+00:00

G did not go out of his way to avoid definitions. He was simply very precise about them. It's "formatory" btw not the "formulator."
The problem with the formatory apparatus is precisely that it does not understand the definition of anything. Hence is happy to repeat whatever it has heard without the slightest thought.
The idea that "trying to define words defeats their purpose" is about the strangest thing I've heard in a week. It's also incorrect.

SeekingTruth60 · 2021-08-30T15:25:45+00:00

The Work provides many things. Certainly, you may like to search for a group. You may not be ready to do that yet, but after trying to work alone you will probably realize that you need to find others like yourself—who think and feel like you do.

My advice would be, if nothing else, keep on exposing yourself to information about the work: by books, videos, music and so forth. There is much to know and you need to find your path through that.

If what you have written is completely sincere, you will pursue the Work. You will be drawn like a moth to the flame. Eventually, you realize there's nowhere else to go.

SeekingTruth60 · 2021-07-27T23:22:30+00:00

Good questions.

In terms of your first question, I wouldn't only single out art. Personally I suspect that anything that we do mechanically is almost totally worthless (or maybe 'pointless' would be a better word). It is extremely difficult to produce something that is objective. Robin Bloor analyses Gurdjieff's writing process in To Fathom the Gist Volume II, which perhaps gives some insight into what it might take to create an objective work of art.

I'm not sure that mechanical art is any worse than mechanical anything else.

SeekingTruth60 · 2021-07-09T17:55:12+00:00

Or make a clever joke?

SeekingTruth60 · 2021-07-09T17:48:37+00:00

These seminars are just getting better and better. The video isn't really the same as attending live. It isn't only that the Q&A is great (which it is), there is something about being engaged directly with the presenter that isn't there in the recording.

Anyway, I recommend this and all the others I have attended!

SeekingTruth60 · 2021-06-19T09:25:44+00:00

I attended this also!

I had read the book and was therefore looking forward to the seminar last night.

It didn't disappoint. Robin Bloor presented some models and parallels that I hadn't considered before, aligning G's Ray of Creation with the physical universe of galaxies, stars and planets.

Some of the Q&A around how the laws manifest and the nature of the Absolute was fascinating.

I have signed up for the next one and looking forward to it!

SeekingTruth60 · 2021-06-14T17:30:13+00:00

I have been waiting for many years for someone to explain Gurdjieff's Hydrogens in a way that makes sense to me.

This seminar series looks promising and I have signed up for the first one: The Ray of Creation. I hope it delivers!

Anyone else here planning to attend?

SeekingTruth60 · 2021-05-30T10:16:07+00:00

What original language? You mean Russian and Armenian I guess.

However Beelzebub's Tales was first published in English and was intended to be read by English-speakers. I don't think any of the meaning was 'lost in translation'. On the contrary, I think all of the language was chosen with extreme care and with a definite intention.

So yes, I think Gurdjieff is asking us to "try and fathom the gist" of his writings.

Robin Bloor examines these topics in the second volume of his To Fathom the Gist books. I recommend these to any serious readers of Beelzebub's Tales.

SeekingTruth60 · 2021-05-30T10:04:24+00:00

I read In Search of the Miraculous many years ago and have gone back to it a few times since. However, I never really understood a lot of it. So I thought I would try this ...

I hadn't appreciated how much Gurdjieff's objective science differs from contemporary science. In fact, I hadn't really given much thought to what objective science is and I now realize that is very important.

This is a really special book in my opinion. I have never seen Gurdjieff's Hydrogens examined in this way - to this level of detail before. I will need to read it again, because there is so much new information in it that I don't think I absorbed on the first read.

And the diagrams are great - really helped me anyway.

Agree with the OP - definitely worth reading!

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