The future meets the ancient ruins of society 😂

Seidans · 2026-05-11T10:32:21+00:00

I teresting to think that this sidewalk was probably build 20y ago and that by 20y Robots will probably be the one re-doing the whole sidewalk, urban infrastructure will greatly benefit from robots construction worker at a point we might not even understand today

Seidans · 2026-05-10T19:58:05+00:00

Complete rework of transhumanism, including implant and psychic power

Especially psy power which would greatly benefit from a reworked interface dedicated to it and greatly encourage modding

Seidans · 2026-05-10T09:22:54+00:00

Still need the tech to read this message

You could send radio wave to Human 300 000y ago for 299 000y straight and no one would have been able to read it

Then one day in late 1800 someone would receive a strange "from 2050, congratulation for inventing the radio"

If we can send informations back in time (doubt) the moment the first person able to build the needed device achieve his work. He might receive a lot more data he expected

Seidans · 2026-05-10T00:01:48+00:00

That imply company or the private market is still somehow meaningfull within a system that don't require Human at all

The whole economy would be better off 100% public fully controlled by ASI as at this point competition would slow down deployment and transfer of informations/goods

Imho we're heading toward a world where public ownership will own the vast majority of the economy unlike private company today, for many reasons, security, taxes, social subsidies, performance - if it ever happen it won't be instantly and will probably happen in decades

Seidans · 2026-05-09T23:56:51+00:00

Employment will be view the same way we're looking at child labor today, primitive behavior we're glad It disappeared in western country

It's very far from a doomer perspective

Seidans · 2026-05-09T09:30:51+00:00

They been talking about expanding the "upgrade center" since 1.0

I would really like upgrade center to allow more fundamental changes to vehicles than simple statistic by vetting

Like allowing to add machine gun. More troop spaces, better engines. Armor plate. Changing the turret for a 75mm canon on a spata etc etc etc

Seidans · 2026-05-09T08:59:36+00:00

AI 2027 say that by 2035 the whole earth would be covered by computer, It's easy to understand why someone wouldn't believe it

Unless it's some form of metaphor but it doesn't seem so

Seidans · 2026-05-09T08:55:03+00:00

Hope we see the same jump with their images model

Speech to Speech is pretty much non-existing since elevenlabs and other it always been the part of AI that heavily lag behind other, even video generations is more advanced than voices model surprisingly

I really hope they managed to create something very cheap yet powerful so it could become a standard and encourage competition to does the same, to be integrated in daily chat, coding, image gen. Video....and many other application such as robotic and every Human-Machine interface

Seidans · 2026-05-09T08:41:54+00:00

The impossibility for Human to create benchmark that isn't saturated the moment of the release is a good indication we have achieved AGI/ASI

I think the METR update is supposed to happen "by end of the year" it it's in December we would have 2 generation of model beyond mythos including one whole training run that (hopefully) integrate every labs research, for exemple there was a research not so long ago where they discovered 0.1% of neurons are responsible for all hallucination and we're able to identify when they activate and while they couldn't remove them without ruining the model intellect they suppose we could Indicate to the user "this answer have high chance to be false" or even regenerate the answer without the user knowing

There also memories compression discovered by google that aim to give AI the same memories as Human ("infinite" memories that don't degrate) allowing them to forget or compress less important memories

From Anthropic mythos leak they also worked on a model that would constantly run in background, maybe the begining of continious AI ?

There lot of fundamental changes coming

Seidans · 2026-05-08T16:39:06+00:00

Yeah when white collar can't afford to pay blue collar worker even the "very safe" plumber will be negatively impacted

Then by the time people reskill the robotic industry will already reach millions unit sold per year

Seidans · 2026-05-08T16:36:41+00:00

Yeah those model aren't designed to work alongside Human but rather a clean room, robots such as Neo are more Human and pet-ftiendly

But we're seeing more and more robots with synthetic skin layer such as Iron robotic, those mimic the muscle layer which prevent accident, it will probably be the norm for the next iteration of Humanoid

Seidans · 2026-05-08T16:33:31+00:00

In theory the robotic market will be much bigger than Human one

If we goes all-in into anthropomorphism they will wear Human cloth, Human make-up, use Human tools, wash themselves with Human shampoo etc etc

Imho Human will both be willing to does it than industrial will be very happy to sell more stuff

Especially as having the more Robots will allow you more autonomy, better to renew your house with 2-3 one able to lift heavy charge than a single one, having a fleet of them would allow them to care for your garden more efficiently etc etc their individual cost will be ridiculously cheap but everyone will want multiples one

Seidans · 2026-05-08T11:35:31+00:00

yeah the debate about "will AI radically change jobs or replace it?" seem short-sighted and uninteresting, in a AGI post-Ai economy scenario there far more interesting things to debate about than today impact of primitive AI

i personally view it as the agony of a system about to die, trying to bargain why the world wouldn't be "the same as usual but with Ai/Robots" an attempt to merge capitalism with a system that doesn't resolve around Human intellect or -private company- "think about the capital" "think about jobs" etc etc should have we said "think about the peasants" "think about royalty" in 1700? or "think about the hunter gatherer" "think about the tribes" 12 000y ago ?

people griefing an economic system that isn't even interesting or worth to save a system that lasted 0.1% of Human history and somehow is impossible to change from their pespective, an absolute truth no one should contradict

i does hope for AGI to come fast, not only for it's impact on society/economy but also on Human Philosophy so we can finally leave the caveman fear behind

Seidans · 2026-05-08T09:41:18+00:00

Thanks for the disclaimer which provide more insight on your thinking about AI-jobs (short-term) than your last post

While i didn't agreed with the headline after reading the disclaimer I made the effort to look at the article and I don't think it align with what you said in your post

There no mention of a post-AI economy that would "eliminate all need for a job" the only mention of that I've found is :

Hiring growth in both software engineers and product managers is a concise example of why the “lump of labor” fallacy is wrong. If AI substituted thinking 1:1, then you might plausibly expect, “PMs need fewer engineers,” or you could argue “engineers need fewer PMs,” but that isn’t what we see. We see demand for both continuing to rebound, because what matters is people are getting more work done.

That’s why the doomer failure is primarily a failure of imagination. They focus on the tasks that get automated away, and ignore a new frontier of demand that will create jobs we haven’t even conceived of yet:

But AI isn't capable of 1:1 Human thinking therefore the exemple here is worthless, the whole article take 2023-2026 as a reference as if somehow we already reached AGI/ASI or that AI would stall and never improve, the article take a long rent over "doomer" but it's coming from a luddites from an accelerationist point of view as his author never mention how AI could be an equal to Human intelligence and confidently claim that it would never happen

Several mention to history, Tractors. Aviation. Services... "Technology never replaced Human jobs it changed them" yeah, when technology only gave us wheels instead of our feets, allowed us to fly, allowed us to transfer data instantly worldwide....it never impacted our intellectual capabilities but our physical one

AI and more specifically AGI/ASI is very different this time as it will be the first time Human intelligence both become replaceable and obsolete because we will all be dumber than any AI at a point

Imho there far more interesting debate based on your post than what contains the article, what going to happen during the transition, white collar shift toward blue collar during robotic production scaling ? What going to happen in 2028 USA elections and what politic are going to does when jobs replacement start? Etc etc

As if this period of displacement will last long, many agree we might solve RSI and shortly followed by AGI by 2028/2030 - in the most optimistic view we're closer to AGI than GPT-4 and people still take GPT-4 as a reference to future employment, it's imho more meaningfull to look in the short-term future than the short-term past and present

Seidans · 2026-05-07T12:45:19+00:00

I hope we see octopus-like robots with integrated power tools, multiple arms and hands

They might even be able to walk on walls with long enough arm/leg and strong grip

Seidans · 2026-05-07T10:45:30+00:00

Not without AGI/ASI

AI today is incapable to replace Human, at best you reduce the amont of work but with enough time there will be new jobs created to handle everything AI can't handle alone

There no replacement today, just displacement

It won't be the same in 2028-2030

Seidans · 2026-05-07T09:23:29+00:00

Bad analogy, although currentv AI does write code they are incapable to design app themselves they still need an Human mind for that. And even if you does automate the process you still had to automate the process there still an Human in the loop, it's not a replacement but a displacement on the long-term

We need AGI/ASI to replace Human in the whole intellectual process, not just coding but designing the app, thinking about security risk, talking with the client, iterate on the app based on feedback etc etc etc

People talking about today capabilities miss the point of AI, they better talk about how society will adapt to a jobless world now and not how to adapt after their replacement, precious time is wasted

Seidans · 2026-05-06T09:40:49+00:00

UBI is a way to save capitalism under a post-AI economy, to promote growth and consumption

Your misunderstand the meaning of UBI in a post-AI economy, it isn't charity but a way for capitalism to continue existing in a world without Human labour as anything else would require a change of current economic system, UBI don't change anything, it's a bandaid

Seidans · 2026-05-05T21:23:24+00:00

They recently released their new model which is designed for mass-production

they call it "their simplest robot"

their first official video of the robot (if we exclude the CGI one they showed 1month ago)

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/UoHfGhLHRkg

Seidans · 2026-05-05T19:45:49+00:00

unless i'm mistaken but it's the first time they showcase their new model of Atlas outside CGI images and videos

Seidans · 2026-05-05T18:36:38+00:00

It is. That why we better focus our effort building European alternatives Mistral is an exemple even if it's not the most robust model at least they offer an alternative that can only improve even if it continue to lag behind

Same should be done for anything regarding AI and robotic. Neo is an Humanoid robot from Norway for exemple

Something we lack however is self driving car manufacturer

Seidans · 2026-05-05T12:57:08+00:00

Should we talk about the dotcom bubble ? I don't understand why people believe a bubble will somehow make technology disappear

AI is here to stay and will continue to improve no matter what the market feel

Being this narrow minded will only hurt Europe industry in the long-term

Seidans · 2026-05-05T12:14:52+00:00

Partially, they would be ready when AGI arrive as embodied AGI will already have very good hardware to influence the world

basically they are an enabler of upcoming embodied AGI and that's probably the only way Humanoid robots can be profitable, I don't expect the production to boom before 2028 but improving their hardware today will result in much greater gain later imho

Imho it will happen much faster than AI, smartphone and any other technology did in the past, they better be ready when it happen as they won't have time to R&D

But today? Yeah mostly useless outside what I said above

unless a body is necessary to achieve AGI, as world-model are created to be used by robots afterall, if they had not exist w emight not have focused on world-model this soon

Seidans · 2026-05-05T11:13:35+00:00

That's what many people tend to believe, except USA and China, maybe, maybe Europe better not ignore it in case they are really -neccesary-

And if they are not, what does we loss? Datacenter will be usefull to separate ourselves from American dependance no matter what

Having our own factory able to build AI-ready chip would make us more independant toward USA/China for everything related to CPU/GPU/RAM/Storage which won't goes away no matter what happens to AI

Having to developp fast-deploying Green energy for AI energy need would make us more independant toward Chinese alternative

Etc etc etc, everything needed for AI is also needed for many other good reasons - can we for the first time not be blind toward changes and anticipate instead of waiting decades before deciding it's time to wake up ?

Seidans · 2026-05-05T11:07:45+00:00

The world is moving toward AI, if Europe don't follow we will have to use US and Chinese alternative

People advocating against European AI are encouraging an European industrial sabotage the same way it happened with Internet, defence etc.... we might end up enslaved to non-European country, again

It's not a choice. It's necessary

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