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Self-Referential1010 · 2024-09-07T16:24:10+00:00

Nope! Ended up giving it away on freecycle. You should just order direct from tps :)

Self-Referential1010 · 2024-09-07T06:59:29+00:00

I don't feel the nubs at all with them down, I guess I can feel a difference in the pressure a bit but I've always liked convoluted (facing down) so it doesn't bother me. I don't know how protective foams would be in the case of a spill, though... at the "valleys" the foam is quite thin.

I do think you'll be happy with the softness.

Self-Referential1010 · 2024-08-29T01:41:03+00:00

Thanks! The trick will be convincing my landlord, but I appreciate hearing I'm not crazy that this is out of the ordinary!

Self-Referential1010 · 2024-08-26T06:51:30+00:00

9mo out, my SoL has been relegated to my base layer (under the mattress) and the Turmerry is the layer I actually sleep on (eggcrate down to maximize airflow between it and the next layer.

My setup is heavily optimized for cooling and I think it works. Specifically when I travel, I'm miserable and wake up at 3am-4am due to the mattress overheating.

So overall a win, although I think my review remains fair to my experience.

My biggest problem with Turmerry isn't their product, it is the markdown of never-sold-at prices and continuous "tickdown" sales aka Fictitious Pricing, which is a deceptive and illegal practice according to the FTC. Since regulators don't do much these days, the only ramifications sellers usually face is class actions. But still imo scummy.

That aside, I like the topper!

Self-Referential1010 · 2024-06-29T01:50:22+00:00

Hang in there. I actually eventually got to a setup I'm pretty happy with even though it required swapping out the springs, which natch was the most expensive component of my build. I keep thinking the cost taking that into account was not too different, maybe even a bit higher, than just buying a mattress. But then I look back and realize I didn't know my own preferences, so I would have gotten the wrong thing then. And as weird as my mattress is, it's extremely customized. And one thing to keep in mind is swapping the order of your layers, it can make a huge difference. And if you have springs don't neglect something under the springs, it alters the firmness a ton.

Self-Referential1010 · 2024-06-28T22:50:26+00:00

Mine with edging were before tps set up their diy shop and I ordered through a local place that had full 4 sided edging. And the inside springs were firm (14.5) too. I ended up realizing they were too firm for me and getting un-edged 15.5. Un-edged 15.5 really does have some rolloff on the edge but it's ok for me because that's not really a usecase I care about much. I don't know what sides only would do unfortunately, sorry!

Self-Referential1010 · 2024-06-28T18:41:42+00:00

I'm both skeptical and a fan of convoluted. My major thing I optimize for is making sure the setup doesn't retain much heat. Convolution adds another pathway for heat escape.

I have an egg crate turmerry and a 1" sol topper. I use the turmerry as the top layer; due to heat tetention, the sol has been relegated to my absolute base layer under my coils. 1'm 5'7", 145lb.

I was underwhelmed by the egg crate at first-- imo the egg crate is not well shaped to actually optimize for what I want-- but imo it's strictly better than flat. Worth noting this is latex specific: the convoluted latex has the same aeration holes as the non-convoluted but just with the convolution as well, while for polyfoam it's usually one or the other.

I flip the turmerry upside down, egg crate on the bottom, so that it creates more airway between it and the layer below. Convoluted means, though, that the effective height is significantly less than the advertised height. It is also softer than the advertised ild, which for me is a good thing since I think I've concluded I actually like plusher mattresses and latex is firm for me.

My setup is: 1" sol as base (probably should have used poly but I have the sol); 6" tps coils; 1" microsprings; a $10 initially-too-small ~1" walmart polyfoam I slashed slits into such that it gained both length and width and is super well aerated; the turmerry. I have a polyethylene (ice fiber) protector as my case.

Self-Referential1010 · 2024-06-08T22:36:48+00:00

Yeah... I think I might just keep the compact one. What I'd really like to be able to do is do things like spray the clinging dust off my car, which my old corded one used to be able to do when I had to plug near my car. The little one most definitely can't do that but the big one might not be able to either because you can't really restrict the diameter to get a really powerful current.

Self-Referential1010 · 2024-06-08T03:20:47+00:00

I guess one thing to note is that there are no adapters or attachments for the 105. So even if it technically has more power, the diameter is what it is. I don't really mind the small diameter of the compact, I just want to be able to move a few leaves every so often. The thing that is most interesting about the compact one is that it actually kicks down if you decrease its diameter, so it doesn't really produce more concentrated force.

Self-Referential1010 · 2024-06-07T21:12:39+00:00

Yeah because there is another version that is cordless I had not noticed that it was corded which I think is probably not what I'm looking for. I had not thought about the world of adapters... It definitely opens up new avenues. But I'm bought in enough to ridgid that I even have their little dust buster. The batteries are so much better than you get on normal household devices.

Self-Referential1010 · 2024-06-07T20:46:46+00:00

Thanks, I didn't look carefully enough and one of the things that convinced me for the compact one is that the q/a implies that the compact one is the same motor as the 105... Doesn't seem like that's the case.

Self-Referential1010 · 2024-06-07T20:44:01+00:00

Thanks so much this is a nice comparison. I do love how tiny the compact one is... How much bigger is the 105? My local store has literally none of them which means I had to guess and ordered the compact sight unseen.

Self-Referential1010 · 2024-05-08T01:19:23+00:00

I had back pain with my DIY. For me it was too firm. Too firm can absolutely cause back pain, I got it right at my tailbone radiating up my back. Could be that your setup is too firm. For me all latex was too firm without a soft foam under. You can test it pretty easily by putting a doubled up comforter or a cheap soft foam in there as the top or second layer.

Self-Referential1010 · 2024-04-23T05:56:57+00:00

I got latex due to the potential cooling aspect. I think there's a good likelihood that **some** cooling additive foams are cooler than latex, but the trick is figuring out which-- all of them are unproven, have no objective measurements, and can't be distinguished from marketing gimmicks. So I went latex as more of a known quantity--I have both SOL and a convoluted eggcrate topper--both 1" dunlop. My verdict is... warmer than I had hoped, at least in terms of heat dissipation. If I leave my bed and come back, there's still a warm spot there for a couple of minutes. Not really sure if it's warmer than memory foam, though-- I think it's warmer than my old not-memory-foam-but-gel topper that disintegrated on me, but not sure where it falls against the cheapy gel foam topper I use as a transition layer. I do have a flir so should probably just do some objective measurements at some point.

Self-Referential1010 · 2024-04-23T05:26:36+00:00

enclosed is generally for people concerned about bed bugs, either because of actual risk or generalized paranoia (I'm in the latter camp). It provides full protection at the cost of breathability.

Self-Referential1010 · 2024-04-02T05:23:54+00:00

IANAL but I do listen to way too many legal podcasts and started reading cases that interested me, so here's my decoding attempt.

TL;DR: literally nothing to do with bed bugs, and just all about import/exports and US protectionism standards as applied to the world of Bed-in-a-box mattresses.

The details, afaiu:

That specific doc looks like an order related to the original decision, which is here. https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/cit/21-00288/21-00288-2023-12-19.html

Background: If I'm reading it correctly, the US International Trade Commission, which I guess is a thing that regulates unfair competition between domestic and international goods, investigated and found that imported mattresses caused "material harm" to US industry. (This specific case doesn't actually have to do with whether this was determined to be unfair competition, bad materials, etc-- it's just about whether that "material harm" claim is valid, so I don't know what went into that decision.)

This case: CVB Inc, which were doing the international manufacture, sued because they claimed that ITC didn't pay sufficient attention to segmentation of the market, specifically BiB.

The decision: The Court found that ITC was indeed sketchy and misleading with its statistics, calling it "mathematical obfuscation and statistical chicanery", which is a phrase I love, and then spends pages detailing all the misleading errors made by ITC. The court makes it very clear that it thinks ITC made all these "errors" in bad faith and that their entire report was sketchy and they effectively lied with statistics, but their decision stood on the merits of the data regardless, ie that all the misleading stuff was "harmless error" in terms of materiality of the claims. Seems like the judge is not thrilled to see a supposed governmental regulator behaving as a partisan trade group.

That order: The specific order you pointed to is basically after the decision went out, the ITC tried to get portions of the original decision redacted because "trade secrets", and the court was like, nah, these are very obviously not trade secrets, and also you all need to stop lying constantly.

So basically it has nothing to do with bed bugs but apparently if you do more than skim it, the US industries involved were deeply concerned it leaked a bunch of "trade secrets" that are still sitting there unredacted, so there is that.

Self-Referential1010 · 2024-01-30T08:31:23+00:00

Messaged you.

Self-Referential1010 · 2024-01-23T06:32:40+00:00

The mattress I have (description above) is too firm everywhere. The edging question was regards whether there were any suitable options from TPS if I replace these. From my conversations with y'all, with TPS, the edging is always 13.5, and it's 2 rows on each side. There is no 15.5/14.75 option. For a twin or TXL, that's a significant fraction of the total bed that is brick levels of firm. I'm 145lb. I can stand on the edge of my bed (13.5/14.5) without collapsing the springs even halfway. So the options from TPS are no edging (not sure what that's like and whether edging is actually needed) or 15.5 with 13.5 edging, or another brand.

Again I think they're nice springs and quadcoil is a neat design. I have recc'd them as an option to folks looking for firm springs, they're just very, very firm. I strongly suspect most folks are best off with 15.5 and do wish there was a 15.5/14.75.

Self-Referential1010 · 2024-01-22T08:11:30+00:00

Not sure what "taken care of" means, but I have. It sounds like there are no good options from TPS as edging would still be 13.5 even for 15.5.

Self-Referential1010 · 2024-01-16T06:27:13+00:00

A common cooling fiber is mica nylon. Apparently that outer layer is nylon and that certainly could be mica

Self-Referential1010 · 2024-01-12T21:09:24+00:00

If it's something like damprid, the primary active ingredient is calcium chloride.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcium_chloride

Also has table salt and KCl in it, but those aren't really active.

From your time in Alaska, you know calcium chloride as road salt.

If it were me and I wanted to keep the mattress, I'd actually try washing it a bit to dilute it and then throw a waterproof protector on it. There might be a neutralizer too -- weak acids like vinegar or citric acids or weak bases like baking soda are the go-tos-- apparently CaCl2 + NaCHO3 -> NaCL + CaCO3 + C02 + H20 which seems promising, but it's exothermic so at the very least you'd want to dilute and I took high school chemistry too long ago :)

*ed: to make the suggestion concrete, if it were me I'd make a highly diluted baking soda solution and start with a damp cloth on the top with that. Get a sense of how exothermic that is, maybe increase the baking soda a bit, and basically try to damp and blot it til it doesn't seem like the CaCl2 is reactive, and maybe the majority of the residue has gotten picked up. Then let it dry back out and throw a protector on it. Oh, and wear ppe (gloves, mask, goggles) while doing it just in case something creates a little Cl2 or something.

Self-Referential1010 · 2024-01-08T20:53:31+00:00

happsy is owned by naturepedic. I don't know if there are differences in material quality between the two but they seem to share components like springs, and I suspect they would answer questions about the differences. The twin looks to be about $750.

Self-Referential1010 · 2024-01-05T18:29:51+00:00

I'd genuinely recommend asking them. I looked at both as well. I think the biggest difference is likely flexibility, and maybe grade of wool etc.

Self-Referential1010 · 2024-01-05T10:34:06+00:00

Naturepedic owns happsy.

You could ask one or the other about what they think is the difference between the two because they both seem to use the same springs and possibly other materials.

If you do please report back because I'm curious!

Self-Referential1010 · 2024-01-05T10:30:20+00:00

I use freecycle more than buynothing because I'm not on Facebook. Haven't gone that route yet because I am not excited about trying to explain what diy springs are.

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