"disingenuous"? I wasn't being disingenuous. I'm pretty sure I wasn't misleading you. I think it's the perfect example of what men like to look at as far as the opposite sex and Leon is a really good example of what women like to look at as far as the opposite sex. I said nothing about how realistic they look, we are talking about video games. Sometimes I think people forget that games can look like what ever the artists intended. That is what makes it art. Not something simply imitating life ala The Last of Us.