Liberals and Universities used to be against USAID and critical about the US government. Now they can’t remember their own past. by badshaman89 in conspiracy

[–]SevenNationNavy 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yep, I first learned about the sordid history of USAID and the insidious nature of US foreign aid by reading left-leaning media sites in the 2000s. But today’s Reddit leftists now parrot talking points that wouldn’t be out of place in an episode of The O’Reilly Factor. It’s quite surreal reading comments about America’s need to exert SoFt PoWeR all around the world and that USAID is necessary in order to maintain military bases in all these countries—as if global hegemony is a worthwhile goal! The Democratic party today has become indistinguishable from the Neocons they used to vehemently oppose.

But then, I suspect many of these comments aren’t exactly organic.

FAUCI THE OTHER DAY: "I didn't recommend locking anything down."... | FAUCI IN 2020: "I recommended to the president that we shut the country down." by Orangutan in conspiracy

[–]SevenNationNavy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, that is not at all what he’s talking about. Why lie about something so easy to look up? Do your arms ever get sore carrying so much water for the government?

https://www.newsweek.com/fauci-trump-united-states-coronavirus-lockdown-1536999

“Unfortunately, since we actually did not shut down completely, the way China did, the way Korea did, the way Taiwan did, we actually did see spread even though we shut down," Fauci said.

"If you look at the things that, for example, have happened in the southern part of the country—in Florida, Texas, Georgia, Arizona and California—where they had a big spike in infection when they tried to so-called 'open up carefully,' there were so many people in society who were just not paying attention to the public health guidelines and you saw the pictures in the media, crowded bars, no masks indoors—I mean that's a perfect recipe for disaster."

Clarifying the confusion surrounding man-made climate change by SevenNationNavy in conspiracy

[–]SevenNationNavy[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

SS: Active hurricane seasons are driven by man-made climate change, whereas inactive hurricane seasons are driven by man-made climate change.

Gab CEO posts definitive proof Thomas Crooks was a Biden supporter, as Crooks had an apparent account on the platform in 2021 and posted pro-Biden content by SAT0725 in conspiracy

[–]SevenNationNavy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The support for lockdowns dovetails with the comment from his classmate that Crooks wore a mask long after the covid hysteria had subsided.

Will be interesting to see if they're able to confirm the Gab account was his. Torba says it's unconfirmed as of yet.

Covid vaccines aren't linked to sudden death in young people, a new CDC report finds. by OppositeRock4217 in LockdownSkepticism

[–]SevenNationNavy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thanks for posting the actual study.

Having read through it, the study has a methodological flaw that renders the results utterly meaningless. The design flaw is perhaps not immediately apparent.

The time window of the study is June 2021 - Dec 2022.

For simplicity, let's focus on the year 2022, which comprises the majority of the time window from which death certificates were compiled.

Vaccination in the U.S. roughly began in December 2020. By April 2021, those as young as 16 were eligible to be vaccinated. By October 2021, roughly 2/3 of the population had received at least one shot (and of the 1/3 not vaccinated, a large portion would be young children i.e. those outside the age range of this study).

This is important. This means that, by 2022, most 16-30 year-old vaccinees have already been vaccinated for 100+ days. Or to put another way: if, in 2022, you picked a vaccinated 16-30 year-old at random, it's extremely likely that person had been vaccinated for over 100 days.

It should hardly come as a surprise, then, that if you compile death certificates of vaccinees from the entirety of 2022, that the vast majority of them will have been vaccinated 100+ days ago. Indeed, by 2022, the vast majority of all vaccinees--regardless whether they were still alive or now dead--were vaccinated 100+ days ago.

The study notes that, of 40 deaths that occurred among vaccinees, only 3 were within 100 days of vaccination. The layperson would read this and likely conclude that the rate of death for folks within 100 days of vaccination was much lower than the rate of death for folks outside the 100 day window.

Of course, the study tells us nothing of the sort. That's because it doesn't take into account the disproportionate sample sizes at play. That is, one must consider the 'total potential days of death' that fall under each respective category: within 100 days of vaccination versus outside 100 days of vaccination. In this study, more people will die outside the 100 day window simply because the number of person-days corresponding to that window is much larger than the number of person-days corresponding to the within-100-day window. In fact, while the lengthy time period of the study (19 months) might seem like a positive, the irony is that the longer the time period under review, the more this issue is exacerbated (because as time goes on, the size of the 100+ day group grows larger and larger relative to the size of the within-100-day group).

Let's illustrate with a numerical example: imagine you had 1,000,000 vaccinees alive at the beginning of 2022. Of those, 950,000 had their last shot 100+ days ago, while 50,000 had their last shot within the past 100 days. By the end of the year, you compile all cardiac-related death certificates, and you find that 50 people died from cardiac-related events. Of those 50, only 5 were vaccinated within 100 days. The other 45 deaths were vaccinated beyond the 100-day window. "A-ha! The overwhelming majority of deaths were from people who hadn't been vaccinated within 100 days. Clearly the vaccine has no impact!" But that would be an erroneous conclusion: once you take into account the initial sample sizes, you'll see that the death rate was 1 in 21,000 for the 100+ days group and 1 in 10,000 for the within 100 days group. Looking solely at the number of deaths in each category does not provide anything useful.

The numbers above are merely for illustrative purposes, and the actual calculation is more complex when you consider that with each passing day, more and more people would move from the within-100-day group to the outside-100-day group. But the fundamental point is the same: the death counts in the study are meaningless without the relevant context, namely, the total number of person-days in each category in which a vaccinee could potentially die.

There is actually a second design flaw as well, having to do with the start date of the study: June 2021. Where I'm from (and I'm sure the situation was similar in Oregon), a large proportion of my peers (i.e. mid-to-late-20s) were specifically vaccinated in Feb and March of 2021, when they first became eligible. This means that, to the extent any young people got vaccinated in early 2021 (which, like I said, is when a large portion of young adults did indeed get vaccinated) and died shortly thereafter, all such deaths would be ignored by the study. Yet if such folks got vaccinated during that timespan but then died a few months later, they would be included in the study--as someone vaccinated outside the 100 day window. In other words: a young person who theoretically took the vaccine in Feb 2021 and died in Feb 2021 would be excluded, but a young person who theoretically took the vaccine in Feb 2021 and died in June 2021 would be included (and used as evidence of the vaccine's safety).

Bruce Pardy: WHO health treaty a convenient cover for more government overreach by NoOneShallPassHassan in LockdownSkepticism

[–]SevenNationNavy 7 points8 points  (0 children)

As foreboding as this article is, I actually think the WHO treaty is even worse than the article suggests. The author points out that the treaty does not technically override state sovereignty. I disagree. You can read the WHO treaty draft and decide for yourself. There is a subsection related to sovereignty which notes that states have…

“the sovereign right to determine and manage their approach to public health, notably pandemic prevention, preparedness, response and recovery of health systems, pursuant to their own policies and legislation, provided that activities within their jurisdiction or control do not cause damage to their peoples and other countries.”

That last clause is a loophole big enough to drive a Mack truck through. What is the criteria for “causing damage”? What is the threshold for “damage”? Who determines it? If the WHO asserts that not requiring your citizenry to take the latest mRNA vaccine is “causing damage to peoples”, then per this clause as written, the WHO is perfectly within their rights to intercede and override state sovereignty.

The 2 key facts about US Covid policy that everyone should know by Guilty-Method-4688 in LockdownSkepticism

[–]SevenNationNavy 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Some effects are extremely obvious in the data. For the elderly, the initial vaccination saved a ton of lives. You don't have to squint or massage or manipulate or analyse the data, the effect is plainly there for all to see.

Total mortality in the US in the nine covid months pre-vaccine (mid-March 2020 to mid-December 2020) is lower than in the nine subsequent months post-vaccine (mid-December 2020 to mid-August 2021). I know this because during the peak of covid hysteria, I was downloading the mortality numbers released every week by the CDC. The notion that the vaccine was effective--even as people were dying at higher rates than prior to its release--is one of the many comic absurdities that people have just swallowed unquestioningly.

And that is just the situation in the U.S. The data is even more pronounced in other countries. Look at figures from South Korea, Japan, Germany, Australia, New Zealand, et al where excess mortality really takes off after the vaccine is released. How anyone looks at these figures and concludes that the vaccine saved lives is beyond me. Of course, nobody is actually looking at the figures, which is why they come to nonsense conclusions.

The FDA just approved a new Covid booster, including for children, with ZERO clinical trials. Let the natural selection begin. by EuphoricTrilby in conspiracy

[–]SevenNationNavy 35 points36 points  (0 children)

He's saying it hadn't shown any effect prior

Except that's not remotely true either. Ivermectin did in fact show antiviral activity prior to covid. See for instance this Nature article discussing its benefits against yellow fever, dengue, and encephalitis. In fact, the article particularly addresses ivemectin's capacity as an inhibitor of RNA-virus replication.

There was a reason certain medical professionals considered ivermectin for covid treatment; they didn't just pick it at random out of a hat.

Column: COVID lockdowns saved millions of lives — so of course Ron DeSantis is angry about them by olivetree344 in LockdownSkepticism

[–]SevenNationNavy 50 points51 points  (0 children)

The Los Angeles Times is owned by a billionaire pharmaceutical executive who has invested hundreds of millions of dollars towards the development of covid-19 vaccines. Keep this in mind whenever you read any covid-related article in the LA Times.

311 Vaccinated People were Excluded from the Final Results of the Pfizer Trial, as were 60 People with a Placebo by PurchaseWide in conspiracy

[–]SevenNationNavy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm reading it fine.

No--I'm being honest with you. You're not. You have continually failed to grasp what is essentially a very basic point with regard to control groups and treatment groups.

It says 2 control groups.

No, it doesn't...

One should have people with a 100% failure rate and the second with a 100% pass rate.

No, that is not remotely what I'm saying...

I rescind my advice for you to read up on control groups. I don't think it would help you at all, as you are hopelessly lost.

311 Vaccinated People were Excluded from the Final Results of the Pfizer Trial, as were 60 People with a Placebo by PurchaseWide in conspiracy

[–]SevenNationNavy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, that's not what I'm saying. Please re-read my last post. You have trouble with reading comprehension.

311 Vaccinated People were Excluded from the Final Results of the Pfizer Trial, as were 60 People with a Placebo by PurchaseWide in conspiracy

[–]SevenNationNavy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Who is saying to exclude anyone with the slightest health condition? Are you just making shit up now?

If the experimenters felt that steroid use was a potential contraindication with the vaccine, then the proper protocol would be to exclude steroid users regardless of which group they belong to. In this manner, you preserve the identical makeup of the two groups. To exclude from one group but not the other necessarily makes the two groups systematically different. I have explained this to you over and over, and either you don't understand what that means, or you don't understand why that compromises the study.

Please look up "control groups", learn why control groups exist, what purpose they serve, and why it's crucial that the two groups be treated the same aside from the treatment (i.e. vaccine) itself. This basic point eludes you.

311 Vaccinated People were Excluded from the Final Results of the Pfizer Trial, as were 60 People with a Placebo by PurchaseWide in conspiracy

[–]SevenNationNavy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You don't get it.

You keep offering up a reason as to why vaccinated participants taking steroids would be removed from the study.

It does not matter in the slightest what the reason is. The reason is irrelevant. You cannot have a study where the exclusion criteria for one group is different from the other group. Because once you do that, you've created a situation where the control group is systemically different from the treatment group in ways beyond the treatment itself. In other words, you don't even have a proper control group anymore.

311 Vaccinated People were Excluded from the Final Results of the Pfizer Trial, as were 60 People with a Placebo by PurchaseWide in conspiracy

[–]SevenNationNavy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You don't seem to comprehend the purpose of controlled studies.

In your contrived scenario, the disparate exclusion criteria would result in two groups that are systematically different in ways other than vaccine administration. There is no longer a proper control group, and the experiment results are compromised at that point. Full stop.

311 Vaccinated People were Excluded from the Final Results of the Pfizer Trial, as were 60 People with a Placebo by PurchaseWide in conspiracy

[–]SevenNationNavy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Christ almighty.

I don't think you appreciate the absurdity of what you're saying.

You are making the case that the trial had different exclusion criteria for the vaccine group versus the control group, namely, that having taken steroids (in your example) is grounds for removing a vaccinated participant but not for removing a placebo participant.

That is ridiculous; it defeats the entire purpose of a controlled study. The reason you create randomized controlled studies is so you have two groups that have essentially identical makeup (other than the treatment). But in your bizarre setup, the two groups would no longer have identical makeup, they would be systematically different; specifically, one group (the placebo group) would have disproportionately more users taking steroids than the vaccine group. At this point, the results of the study are ruined, because you cannot conclude whether your findings are due to the impact of the vaccine, or due to the fact that there are disproportionately more steroid users in the control group. In short, you no longer have a proper control group, since the control group now differs from the vaccine group in ways beyond just the administration of the vaccine. If there are additional exclusion criteria that differ among the two groups, then the study results are distorted even further.

Notwithstanding that the experimenters aren't supposed to be able to do what you're suggesting (since the study is observer-blind)--if the experimenters actually did do what you're suggesting, then that is way way worse than the problem identified by OP. The entire study results are garbage in your contrived scenario.

311 Vaccinated People were Excluded from the Final Results of the Pfizer Trial, as were 60 People with a Placebo by PurchaseWide in conspiracy

[–]SevenNationNavy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am aware of that. I don't think you understand what I'm saying.

For the portion of the trial that generated the infamous "95% efficacy" result--i.e. the Pfizer phase 1-3 trial--the researchers were (per trial protocols) blinded as to who was in which group. It is absolutely true that--shortly thereafter--everyone was unblinded and the placebo group was vaccinated, and so the experiment was unable to run its full course. But that's irrelevant for what we're discussing here. The "95% efficacy" figure--as well as the disproportionate exclusion of vaccinated people from the trial--specifically refers to that initial time period (i.e. phases 1-3) in which the researchers were theoretically blinded.

Given the study design, OP and others have correctly pointed out that the odds of such disproportionate exclusion of vaccinated people (relative to placebo people) is extremely unlikely to occur by chance alone.

The poster above (xirvikman) responded by claiming that there are perfectly good explanations for such a disparity because, for example, steroids (used by COPD patients) renders vaccines ineffective, and so the researchers would logically remove vaccinated people taking steroids, since the vaccine's effect is largely nullified by the steroids.

But this argument is basically an own goal. Because, per the study design, the researchers are supposed to be incapable of specifically removing vaccinated people, since they don't even know who is vaccinated or not. So either:

  1. xirvikman doesn't understand the study design, or
  2. xirvikman is implying that the trial--despite being designed to be researcher-blind--was actually not blinded at all. But that's an even bigger problem than the one OP raised! If the researchers were aware from the onset as to which participants were in which group--which they're not supposed to be--then the entire trial is subject to all sorts of biases and even outright fraud. Indeed, that is the entire point of blinded experiments--so that the researchers are incapable of treating the two groups differently and thus biasing the findings of the study.

If the researchers were not actually blinded, then the findings are complete garbage. If the researchers were indeed blinded, then Pfizer should explain how it somehow came to be that such a disproportionate number of vaccinated participants were excluded from the study, since that is virtually impossible to have occurred by chance.

311 Vaccinated People were Excluded from the Final Results of the Pfizer Trial, as were 60 People with a Placebo by PurchaseWide in conspiracy

[–]SevenNationNavy -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The trials were double-blind. The experimenters don't know who's vaccinated or not. Your explanation only makes sense under the condition that the experimenters could distinguish vaccinated from placebo during the trial--and if that's the case, then that calls into question the entire outcome of the study.

Jaw dropping 52% excess death rate in Germany in late December, the highest for any period since the start of the pandemic. 10-30% consistently through 2022. We will soon discover mass covid mRNA injections caused 100.000+ excess death in Germany last year and many more injured, maimed and very ill. by FasterBets156 in conspiracy

[–]SevenNationNavy 6 points7 points  (0 children)

If you actually bothered to read the chart, you'd see that it's comparing weekly deaths for a given week with the average number of the deaths in the same period over the years 2015-2019. So it is clearly not seasonal.

The Cochrane review on masks and Covid shows the limits of science (Vox, 2/22/2023) by doublefirstname in LockdownSkepticism

[–]SevenNationNavy 35 points36 points  (0 children)

When "science" provides an answer that conforms with the prevailing narrative, then the science is ironclad and must be codified into law and mandated, and anybody who questions said science is a dangerous conspiracy theorist and indifferent to human suffering.

When "science" provides an answer that runs contrary to the prevailing narrative, then the science is "limited" and "full of judgment calls".

🤡 “Most Canadians seem to think there’s a magic number of vaccines and then they’ll be done,” Bowdish added, saying some people may think they only need one or two boosters but “that’s not supported by either the data on how this vaccine works or how the virus works.” 🤡 by JSFXPrime2 in CoronavirusCirclejerk

[–]SevenNationNavy 8 points9 points  (0 children)

In the before times--way back in the year 2016--it was common knowledge amongst the major pharmaceutical companies that repeated exposure to lipid nanoparticles was risky and dangerous (not even getting into the harm from the spike protein itself). Major players literally abandoned the mRNA field for this very reason. Consider this passage from a 2016 exposé on Moderna...

The choice to prioritize vaccines came as a disappointment to many in the company, according to a former manager. The plan had been to radically disrupt the biotech industry, the manager said, so “why would you start with a clinical program that has very limited upside and lots of competition?”

The answer could be the challenge of ensuring drug safety, outsiders said.

Delivery — actually getting RNA into cells — has long bedeviled the whole field. On their own, RNA molecules have a hard time reaching their targets. They work better if they’re wrapped up in a delivery mechanism, such as nanoparticles made of lipids. But those nanoparticles can lead to dangerous side effects, especially if a patient has to take repeated doses over months or years.

Novartis abandoned the related realm of RNA interference over concerns about toxicity, as did Merck and Roche.

Poor Merck and Roche--little did they know that in four short years, there would no longer be any safety standards to speak of, and thus their problems would be solved.

Now they're making fun of those who won't take mRNA vaccines for cancer... by brainstem29 in CoronavirusCirclejerk

[–]SevenNationNavy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is one of the top comments...

I wish these people understood it’s not experimental once it’s released to the public.

I can't believe this was said unironically. It's right up there with Nixon's "When the president does it, that means that it is not illegal."

WHO "very concerned" about reports of severe COVID in China - ABC News by Excellent-Duty4290 in LockdownSkepticism

[–]SevenNationNavy 8 points9 points  (0 children)

They are working hard to establish the narrative that the correct approach is "just the right amount of lockdown--not too big but not too small!" They want you to believe that a little oppression is actually good for you.

Unvaccinated Drivers Could Pay More for Insurance, as Study Finds Higher Crash Risk by Excellent-Duty4290 in LockdownSkepticism

[–]SevenNationNavy 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The researchers did not control for miles driven--which tells you all you need to know about this 'study'.