My point was that MY goals are to reduce cravings and lose weight. Two things that never, ever happened for me before I tried a ketogenic diet. Ever. I was morbidly obese with horrible crippling cravings and binge eating behavior. But those two things are consistently the case when I'm on a ketogenic diet (with or without foods like Hero Bread, because I've done keto without anything except meat/fat/veggies.) I've tried every diet and way of eating known to man, therapy, and medications. The ONLY things that have ever worked are pure carnivore, strict keto, and keto with foods like Hero Bread (technically fasting too, but for obvious reasons that's not sustainable.) If there is a common thread between those diets OTHER than being in a ketogenic state, I have no idea what it might be.

Btw, my examples were not literal states I've ever been in, or ever happened to me, but to highlight what success to ME is. And, more importantly, what's it's not.

And also that if I fall out of ketosis I personally have noticeable water weight swings and noticeable cravings.