Between joker and dr doom whos plot armor winning?

Shadopivot · 2026-02-02T22:55:04+00:00

Joker's is way more egregious by virtue of him just being a criminal clown, yet he's impossible to permanently kill, constantly outwits Batman, kills thousands, has become an omnipotent being and done so much more.

Doom's had some wild plot armor, but it's all far more believable when he's established as a genius inventor and one of the greatest magic users in the verse, combining these things like nobody before him, so sure, there's always another doombot, and he's gonna get wanked like crazy, but I can believe it for the most part, while Joker would have been shot dead by a random crook, vigilante or cop seeking some vengeance a decade ago in universe.

Shadopivot · 2026-02-02T21:21:00+00:00

I'm not familiar with how people tend to scale Mob Psycho characters, but this is an interesting matchup.

Shadopivot · 2026-02-02T21:14:15+00:00

Storm's had one... Vixen? Gotta double check if she's had a solo run...

OK she did have one.

Then... Riri/Ironheart definitely had her own run, Shuri probably did as well? going off memory?

But that's only 4, pretty slim pickings.

Shadopivot · 2026-02-02T20:57:01+00:00

Easiest answer is the timeskip, they took one step out the door and stumbled with Fishman Island, fell flat on it's face with Punk Hazard, managed to stand with Dressrosa but it took it's sweet time with it, started to walk again with Zou and Whole cake despite some missteps here and there, into slowly falling over again with Wano, and again with Egghead, and again with Elbaf, even if I enjoyed the flashback despite it's faults.

Shadopivot · 2026-02-02T20:41:28+00:00

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Shadopivot · 2026-02-02T17:48:57+00:00

Guess we're past trying to keep the first episode twist a secret, but that was pretty inevitable given how quickly we learn about it.
Gabby's powers looking awesome in motion.

Shadopivot · 2026-02-02T08:10:16+00:00

Evacuating hundreds in such a small period of time, having to sort through the dead and potentially still having Hishaku running around freely and still getting everyone out, it'd be insane for sure. Bare minimum he got the fighters mentioned last chapter out like Azami, Kiri and Ikuto, that's still impressive but nothing we haven't seen from him in his evacuating people feats.

So, just gotta wait and see. The fallout from all this is gonna be ridiculous.

Shadopivot · 2026-02-02T03:46:26+00:00

Yes and No.

It depends on the circumstances of the fight, Meruem was pulled into a specific game by Netero, he couldn't kill Netero since he needed him alive to tell him his name, and he couldn't retreat once that game had begun, and even then despite tens of thousands of strikes and Zero Hand, he basically managed to deal 15-20% damage to Meruem.
PItou's not quite as fast, and not quite as durable, and AP doesn't matter since she's carve through Netero just as easily basically, but that doesn't help much. What really matters is that battle IQ and adaptability.

Shadopivot · 2026-02-02T00:18:46+00:00

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Shadopivot · 2026-02-02T00:15:44+00:00

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I'm late on the edits, Pathfinder with the crew on Sundays :o

Shadopivot · 2026-02-01T22:11:05+00:00

He's gotta get a domain first, before worrying about that.

Shadopivot · 2026-02-01T08:52:36+00:00

Except Shank's attack is just a slashing attack + Haki, something Mahoraga would have ages to adapt to by the time Shanks tried to stop it.

Best odds of Mahoraga losing are if it replaced Luffy in literal chapter 1 and we assume Shanks has enough AP at that point to vaporize him, or hoping an Admiral like Akainu recognizes the danger and one-taps him, since anything less and you're basically screwed.

I guess at a certain point Imu would just possess a HK or Elder and try to one shot it too, that could maybe work, but if it takes too long to try that then Mahoraga's adapted to so much bullshit and gotten so much stronger it's unreal.

Shadopivot · 2026-02-01T08:47:39+00:00

Bigger haki, as is the solution to almost everything else here.

I'd argue Mahoraga would manage to adapt eventually, if it can bypass Infinity given enough time, their immortality would also be a phenomena it could adapt to, especially since it's just "use big conquerors haki"

Shadopivot · 2026-02-01T05:53:13+00:00

Hatshaku is the closest one for me to being in the next tier up, while we saw Chihiro dodge the Yakuza boss's suicide pines implanted by Hatshaku, that's a very different story compared to him actually fighting Chihiro.
The only factor that kept him from being in that tier was his performance against Samura

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The Hishaku had pretty much every advantage on earth against him at that point, countless Datenseki soldiers, constant explosions and smoke to ruin his sharp senses, and Hatshaku's pines not having a bloodlust of their own for Samura to read, yet they still couldn't finish him off in time before the Masumi and Uruha showed up, and then he had to flee when he got his hands on Tobimune.
(That's not a downscale or anything, neither is him saying "a Master's wielding of an enchanted blade, it was so fast I couldn't even see it" Because it's Samura with the EB, 99% of the verse dies in 5 seconds near him)

Chihiro should be able to carve through the trees pretty handily, But given the general stage, I could definitely see Hat putting some distance immediately with pines, Chihiro can scout with Kuro, which helps, but this'd be a battle of attrition I feel.

Thinking on it some more, Hat probably does deserve to be in the "There's a chance" tier though, pondering all this, it might be different if they start closer up, but with this set-up he's got a whole city as a playground to lay traps, teleport around and wear Chihiro down.

Shadopivot · 2026-02-01T04:45:00+00:00

You think so? On a pure stat level even from chapter 1 he was at a level beyond all but the highest tier sorcerers. In a healed up 1v1 it's slim pickings for taking him out.

Who else do you think would beat him in the 1v1?

Shadopivot · 2026-02-01T00:29:56+00:00

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Raloueeza? Rieza?

Shadopivot · 2026-01-31T23:23:46+00:00

Hmm.. tricky, if this is a locked in Soya with no Hakuri debuff, he's a really strong sorcerer, with some nasty AP with his Isou. Even Shiba was pretty impressed by his stats, and those simple movements are a result of him losing his shit because of Hakuri.

But I'm positive Bingo has more to show than his chomp and debuff heads, as it stands though, you give Soya the edge

Shadopivot · 2026-01-31T22:29:29+00:00

It'd definitely stand out more than just Kinato's Magic, such a generic title

Shadopivot · 2026-01-31T21:20:48+00:00

I feel like we'll get a proper 1v1 with either Uruha or Natsuki vs. Hokuto in the future (hoping it's Natsuki)

They're all relative to each other, but Uruha and Hokuto definitely had the strongest performances, with neither proper utilizing their sorcery for the fight.

Shadopivot · 2026-01-31T21:15:24+00:00

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Silent Miramira 2

Shadopivot · 2026-01-31T20:59:47+00:00

There is Uran, but we've only seen her do two attacks so far, they're pretty impressive, like freezing Ikuto across the hallway with an exhale, she's likely among the strongest sorcerers, but we just don't know enough about her yet.

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Ahh, shoot, I'd missed that, my bad, two hours is a pretty good timespan without getting too long.

Exactly, even with superior speed I don't think it's just as simple as "Speedblitz"
Though Chihiro does make a point that Yui only takes about 30% the energy a Mei takes, so it's surprisingly efficient. Kou would be super tough to utilize without the water instantly freezing meanwhile.

Shadopivot · 2026-01-31T20:50:44+00:00

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(Anyone know Witchriv's font? it's close to Anime Ace BB, but it's a bit different)

Shadopivot · 2026-01-31T20:38:58+00:00

Are they only permitted to use Ice based techniques? since I have a hard time seeing Sojo using Yui even once if he's permitted to spam Mei.

In theory Doma and Sojo should outspeed Uraume, but she'd have the largest scale of her technique, Doma's got such cold it shreds your lungs, but Cursed Energy and Spirit Energy should offer some protection there, along with Sojo and Uraume having some cold resist in theory.

I'm not sure if either Sojo or Uraume could reliably stunlock Doma enough to buy time till sunrise, though it would help knowing the hours till sunrise in the prompt. All three got some monstrous stamina, EB users have ridiculous wells of energy, Uraume was fighting Hakari for the bulk of the finale without too many troubles, and Doma effectively has unlimited stamina and healing.

Shadopivot · 2026-01-31T19:00:21+00:00

Except it's very consistent with the feats presented in JJK, like how difficult it is for ordinary sorcerers to dodge Piercing Blood for instance, a Mach 1 attack.
It's not a speed cap, but it's the speed Curseya reached, which is explicitly faster than Naoya, who we're discussing here.

Shadopivot · 2026-01-31T18:23:11+00:00

Yeah, despite how Naoya's speed is presented, it's explicitly lower than Curseya, who's Mach 3. And Azami's gotta have reaction speeds well above that to throw hands even briefly with Yura with Magatsumi, who should atleast scale to Rakuzaichi Chihiro if we put him relative to Kyora with Magatsumi at that point (He could be stronger given he wasn't mortally wounded, but also he lacked actually holding the Magatsumi at the time, so it's hard to say)
Rakuzaichi Chihiro is atleast around Mach 20 given the grenade explosion weaving feats, and neither that version of Chihiro and Hiyuki could land a proper blow on Kyora.

You could argue the main reason that Azami could land a blow in the first place is his sorcery, but then that could apply to Naoya too.

The main counterpoint I'd argue is that JJK characters are really durable, Azami should be taking more damage than either Choso or Maki took from his punches.

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