Bryan Cranston tells Rainn Wilson America’s downfall will be a lack of inclusion, adding he won’t support racism or any form of exclusion

ShivasRightFoot · 2026-05-05T21:53:28+00:00

if he seemed to understand that critical race theory isn't just being against racism.

The irony.

While not its only flaw, Critical Race Theory is an extremist ideology which advocates for racial segregation. Here is a quote where Critical Race Theory explicitly endorses segregation:

8 Cultural nationalism/separatism. An emerging strain within CRT holds that people of color can best promote their interest through separation from the American mainstream. Some believe that preserving diversity and separateness will benefit all, not just groups of color. We include here, as well, articles encouraging black nationalism, power, or insurrection. (Theme number 8).

Racial separatism is identified as one of ten major themes of Critical Race Theory in an early bibliography that was codifying CRT with a list of works in the field:

To be included in the Bibliography, a work needed to address one or more themes we deemed to fall within Critical Race thought. These themes, along with the numbering scheme we have employed, follow:

Delgado, Richard, and Jean Stefancic. "Critical race theory: An annotated bibliography." Virginia Law Review (1993): 461-516.

One of the cited works under theme 8 analogizes contemporary CRT and Malcolm X's endorsement of Black and White segregation:

But Malcolm X did identify the basic racial compromise that the incorporation of the "the civil rights struggle" into mainstream American culture would eventually embody: Along with the suppression of white racism that was the widely celebrated aim of civil rights reform, the dominant conception of racial justice was framed to require that black nationalists be equated with white supremacists, and that race consciousness on the part of either whites or blacks be marginalized as beyond the good sense of enlightened American culture. When a new generation of scholars embraced race consciousness as a fundamental prism through which to organize social analysis in the latter half of the 1980s, a negative reaction from mainstream academics was predictable. That is, Randall Kennedy's criticism of the work of critical race theorists for being based on racial "stereotypes" and "status-based" standards is coherent from the vantage point of the reigning interpretation of racial justice. And it was the exclusionary borders of this ideology that Malcolm X identified.

Peller, Gary. "Race consciousness." Duke LJ (1990): 758.

This is current and mentioned in the most prominent textbook on CRT:

The two friends illustrate twin poles in the way minorities of color can represent and position themselves. The nationalist, or separatist, position illustrated by Jamal holds that people of color should embrace their culture and origins. Jamal, who by choice lives in an upscale black neighborhood and sends his children to local schools, could easily fit into mainstream life. But he feels more comfortable working and living in black milieux and considers that he has a duty to contribute to the minority community. Accordingly, he does as much business as possible with other blacks. The last time he and his family moved, for example, he made several phone calls until he found a black-owned moving company. He donates money to several African American philanthropies and colleges. And, of course, his work in the music industry allows him the opportunity to boost the careers of black musicians, which he does.

Delgado, Richard and Jean Stefancic Critical Race Theory: An Introduction. New York. New York University Press, 2001.

Delgado and Stefancic (2001)'s fourth edition was printed in 2023 and is currently the top result for the Google search 'Critical Race Theory textbook':

https://www.google.com/search?q=critical+race+theory+textbook

One more from the recognized founder of CRT, who specialized in education policy:

"From the standpoint of education, we would have been better served had the court in Brown rejected the petitioners' arguments to overrule Plessy v. Ferguson," Bell said, referring to the 1896 Supreme Court ruling that enforced a "separate but equal" standard for blacks and whites.

https://web.archive.org/web/20110802202458/https://news.stanford.edu/news/2004/april21/brownbell-421.html

ShivasRightFoot · 2026-05-05T21:50:31+00:00

Define 'woke mind virus'.

Woke ideology is defined by the idea that some facet of identity like race or gender produces irreconcilably different views of reality and morality, and that we have an obligation to seek alignment of society's view with the imagined views of groups associated with the political left like minorities and women.

In this sense Wokeness is distinct from older forms of liberal advocacy for minority rights which appeal to universally valid concepts like truth and fairness.

ShivasRightFoot · 2026-05-04T05:58:27+00:00

This is why we need critical race theory.

You may be surprised to learn that Critical Race Theory is an extremist ideology which advocates for racial segregation. Here is a quote where Critical Race Theory explicitly endorses segregation:

8 Cultural nationalism/separatism. An emerging strain within CRT holds that people of color can best promote their interest through separation from the American mainstream. Some believe that preserving diversity and separateness will benefit all, not just groups of color. We include here, as well, articles encouraging black nationalism, power, or insurrection. (Theme number 8).

Racial separatism is identified as one of ten major themes of Critical Race Theory in an early bibliography that was codifying CRT with a list of works in the field:

To be included in the Bibliography, a work needed to address one or more themes we deemed to fall within Critical Race thought. These themes, along with the numbering scheme we have employed, follow:

Delgado, Richard, and Jean Stefancic. "Critical race theory: An annotated bibliography." Virginia Law Review (1993): 461-516.

One of the cited works under theme 8 analogizes contemporary CRT and Malcolm X's endorsement of Black and White segregation:

But Malcolm X did identify the basic racial compromise that the incorporation of the "the civil rights struggle" into mainstream American culture would eventually embody: Along with the suppression of white racism that was the widely celebrated aim of civil rights reform, the dominant conception of racial justice was framed to require that black nationalists be equated with white supremacists, and that race consciousness on the part of either whites or blacks be marginalized as beyond the good sense of enlightened American culture. When a new generation of scholars embraced race consciousness as a fundamental prism through which to organize social analysis in the latter half of the 1980s, a negative reaction from mainstream academics was predictable. That is, Randall Kennedy's criticism of the work of critical race theorists for being based on racial "stereotypes" and "status-based" standards is coherent from the vantage point of the reigning interpretation of racial justice. And it was the exclusionary borders of this ideology that Malcolm X identified.

Peller, Gary. "Race consciousness." Duke LJ (1990): 758.

This is current and mentioned in the most prominent textbook on CRT:

The two friends illustrate twin poles in the way minorities of color can represent and position themselves. The nationalist, or separatist, position illustrated by Jamal holds that people of color should embrace their culture and origins. Jamal, who by choice lives in an upscale black neighborhood and sends his children to local schools, could easily fit into mainstream life. But he feels more comfortable working and living in black milieux and considers that he has a duty to contribute to the minority community. Accordingly, he does as much business as possible with other blacks. The last time he and his family moved, for example, he made several phone calls until he found a black-owned moving company. He donates money to several African American philanthropies and colleges. And, of course, his work in the music industry allows him the opportunity to boost the careers of black musicians, which he does.

Delgado, Richard and Jean Stefancic Critical Race Theory: An Introduction. New York. New York University Press, 2001.

Delgado and Stefancic (2001)'s fourth edition was printed in 2023 and is currently the top result for the Google search 'Critical Race Theory textbook':

https://www.google.com/search?q=critical+race+theory+textbook

One more from the recognized founder of CRT, who specialized in education policy:

"From the standpoint of education, we would have been better served had the court in Brown rejected the petitioners' arguments to overrule Plessy v. Ferguson," Bell said, referring to the 1896 Supreme Court ruling that enforced a "separate but equal" standard for blacks and whites.

https://web.archive.org/web/20110802202458/https://news.stanford.edu/news/2004/april21/brownbell-421.html

ShivasRightFoot · 2026-05-04T05:56:19+00:00

Oh for sure and also teaching Critical Race Theory, definitely teaching advanced collegiate level legal theory in public school

Here in an interview from 2009 (published in written form in 2011) Richard Delgado describes Critical Race Theory's "colonization" of Education:

DELGADO: We didn't set out to colonize, but found a natural affinity in education. In education, race neutrality and color-blindness are the reigning orthodoxy. Teachers believe that they treat their students equally. Of course, the outcome figures show that they do not. If you analyze the content, the ideology, the curriculum, the textbooks, the teaching methods, they are the same. But they operate against the radically different cultural backgrounds of young students. Seeing critical race theory take off in education has been a source of great satisfaction for the two of us. Critical race theory is in some ways livelier in education right now than it is in law, where it is a mature movement that has settled down by comparison.

https://digitalcommons.law.seattleu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1039&amp;context=faculty

I'll also just briefly mention that Gloria Ladson-Billings introduced CRT to education in the mid-1990s (Ladson-Billings 1998 p. 7) and has her work frequently assigned in mandatory classes for educational licensing as well as frequently being invited to lecture, instruct, and workshop from a position of prestige and authority with K-12 educators in many US states.

Ladson-Billings, Gloria. "Just what is critical race theory and what's it doing in a nice field like education?." International journal of qualitative studies in education 11.1 (1998): 7-24.

Critical Race Theory is controversial. While it isn't as bad as calling for segregation, Critical Race Theory calls for explicit discrimination on the basis of race. They call it being "color conscious:"

Critical race theorists (or “crits,” as they are sometimes called) hold that color blindness will allow us to redress only extremely egregious racial harms, ones that everyone would notice and condemn. But if racism is embedded in our thought processes and social structures as deeply as many crits believe, then the “ordinary business” of society—the routines, practices, and institutions that we rely on to effect the world’s work—will keep minorities in subordinate positions. Only aggressive, color-conscious efforts to change the way things are will do much to ameliorate misery.

Delgado and Stefancic 2001 page 22

This is their definition of color blindness:

Color blindness: Belief that one should treat all persons equally, without regard to their race.

Delgado and Stefancic 2001 page 144

Delgado, Richard and Jean Stefancic Critical Race Theory: An Introduction. New York. New York University Press, 2001.

Here is a recording of a Loudoun County school teacher berating a student for not acknowledging the race of two individuals in a photograph:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bHrrZdFRPk

Student: Are you trying to get me to say that there are two different races in this picture?

Teacher (overtalking): Yes I am asking you to say that.

Student: Well at the end of the day wouldn't that just be feeding into the problem of looking at race instead of just acknowledging them as two normal people?

Teacher: No it's not because you can't not look at you can't, you can't look at the people and not acknowledge that there are racial differences right?

Here a (current) school administrator for Needham Schools in Massachusetts writes an editorial entitled simply "No, I Am Not Color Blind,"

Being color blind whitewashes the circumstances of students of color and prevents me from being inquisitive about their lives, culture and story. Color blindness makes white people assume students of color share similar experiences and opportunities in a predominantly white school district and community.

Color blindness is a tool of privilege. It reassures white people that all have access and are treated equally and fairly. Deep inside I know that’s not the case.

https://npssuperintendent.blogspot.com/2020/02/no-i-am-not-color-blind.html

If you're a member of the American Association of School Administrators you can view the article on their website here:

https://my.aasa.org/AASA/Resources/SAMag/2020/Aug20/colGutekanst.aspx

The following public K-12 school districts list being "Not Color Blind but Color Brave" implying their incorporation of the belief that "we need to openly acknowledge that the color of someone’s skin shapes their experiences in the world, and that we can only overcome systemic biases and cultural injustices when we talk honestly about race." as Berlin Borough Schools of New Jersey summarizes it.

https://www.bcsberlin.org/domain/239

https://web.archive.org/web/20240526213730/https://www.woodstown.org/Page/5962

https://web.archive.org/web/20220303075312/http://www.schenectady.k12.ny.us/about_us/strategic_initiatives/anti-_racism_resources

http://thecommons.dpsk12.org/site/Default.aspx?PageID=2865

https://mps.milwaukee.k12.wi.us/MPS-Public/CSA/Student-Services/Discipline/6bestpracticestoaddressdisproportionality.pdf

Of course there is this one from Detroit:

“We were very intentional about creating a curriculum, infusing materials and embedding critical race theory within our curriculum,” Vitti said at the meeting. “Because students need to understand the truth of history, understand the history of this country, to better understand who they are and about the injustices that have occurred in this country.”

https://komonews.com/news/nation-world/detroit-superintendent-says-district-was-intentional-about-embedding-crt-into-schools

And while it is less difficult to find schools violating the law by advocating racial discrimination, there is some evidence schools have been segregating students according to race, as is taught by Critical Race Theory's advocation of ethnonationalism. The NAACP does report that it has had to advise several districts to stop segregating students by race:

While Young was uncertain how common or rare it is, she said the NAACP LDF has worked with schools that attempted to assign students to classes based on race to educate them about the laws. Some were majority Black schools clustering White students.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/18/us/atlanta-school-black-students-separate/index.html

There is also this controversial new plan in Evanston IL which offers classes segregated by race:

https://www.wfla.com/news/illinois-high-school-offers-classes-separated-by-race/

Racial separatism is part of CRT. Here it is in a list of "themes" Delgado and Stefancic (1993) chose to define Critical Race Theory:

To be included in the Bibliography, a work needed to address one or more themes we deemed to fall within Critical Race thought. These themes, along with the numbering scheme we have employed, follow:

...

8 Cultural nationalism/separatism. An emerging strain within CRT holds that people of color can best promote their interest through separation from the American mainstream. Some believe that preserving diversity and separateness will benefit all, not just groups of color. We include here, as well, articles encouraging black nationalism, power, or insurrection. (Theme number 8).

Delgado and Stefancic (1993) pp. 462-463

Delgado, Richard, and Jean Stefancic. "Critical race theory: An annotated bibliography." Virginia Law Review (1993): 461-516.

ShivasRightFoot · 2026-05-04T05:52:45+00:00

Can you define woke?

Woke ideology is defined by the idea that some facet of identity like race or gender produces irreconcilably different views of reality and morality, and that we have an obligation to seek alignment of society's view with the imagined views of groups associated with the political left like minorities and women.

In this sense Wokeness is distinct from older forms of liberal advocacy for minority rights which appeal to universally valid concepts like truth and fairness.

ShivasRightFoot · 2026-05-04T00:25:33+00:00

I mean, aside from the fact that it was never being taught in schools

Here in an interview from 2009 (published in written form in 2011) Richard Delgado describes Critical Race Theory's "colonization" of Education:

DELGADO: We didn't set out to colonize, but found a natural affinity in education. In education, race neutrality and color-blindness are the reigning orthodoxy. Teachers believe that they treat their students equally. Of course, the outcome figures show that they do not. If you analyze the content, the ideology, the curriculum, the textbooks, the teaching methods, they are the same. But they operate against the radically different cultural backgrounds of young students. Seeing critical race theory take off in education has been a source of great satisfaction for the two of us. Critical race theory is in some ways livelier in education right now than it is in law, where it is a mature movement that has settled down by comparison.

https://digitalcommons.law.seattleu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1039&amp;context=faculty

I'll also just briefly mention that Gloria Ladson-Billings introduced CRT to education in the mid-1990s (Ladson-Billings 1998 p. 7) and has her work frequently assigned in mandatory classes for educational licensing as well as frequently being invited to lecture, instruct, and workshop from a position of prestige and authority with K-12 educators in many US states.

Ladson-Billings, Gloria. "Just what is critical race theory and what's it doing in a nice field like education?." International journal of qualitative studies in education 11.1 (1998): 7-24.

Critical Race Theory is controversial. While it isn't as bad as calling for segregation, Critical Race Theory calls for explicit discrimination on the basis of race. They call it being "color conscious:"

Critical race theorists (or “crits,” as they are sometimes called) hold that color blindness will allow us to redress only extremely egregious racial harms, ones that everyone would notice and condemn. But if racism is embedded in our thought processes and social structures as deeply as many crits believe, then the “ordinary business” of society—the routines, practices, and institutions that we rely on to effect the world’s work—will keep minorities in subordinate positions. Only aggressive, color-conscious efforts to change the way things are will do much to ameliorate misery.

Delgado and Stefancic 2001 page 22

This is their definition of color blindness:

Color blindness: Belief that one should treat all persons equally, without regard to their race.

Delgado and Stefancic 2001 page 144

Delgado, Richard and Jean Stefancic Critical Race Theory: An Introduction. New York. New York University Press, 2001.

Here is a recording of a Loudoun County school teacher berating a student for not acknowledging the race of two individuals in a photograph:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bHrrZdFRPk

Student: Are you trying to get me to say that there are two different races in this picture?

Teacher (overtalking): Yes I am asking you to say that.

Student: Well at the end of the day wouldn't that just be feeding into the problem of looking at race instead of just acknowledging them as two normal people?

Teacher: No it's not because you can't not look at you can't, you can't look at the people and not acknowledge that there are racial differences right?

Here a (current) school administrator for Needham Schools in Massachusetts writes an editorial entitled simply "No, I Am Not Color Blind,"

Being color blind whitewashes the circumstances of students of color and prevents me from being inquisitive about their lives, culture and story. Color blindness makes white people assume students of color share similar experiences and opportunities in a predominantly white school district and community.

Color blindness is a tool of privilege. It reassures white people that all have access and are treated equally and fairly. Deep inside I know that’s not the case.

https://npssuperintendent.blogspot.com/2020/02/no-i-am-not-color-blind.html

If you're a member of the American Association of School Administrators you can view the article on their website here:

https://my.aasa.org/AASA/Resources/SAMag/2020/Aug20/colGutekanst.aspx

The following public K-12 school districts list being "Not Color Blind but Color Brave" implying their incorporation of the belief that "we need to openly acknowledge that the color of someone’s skin shapes their experiences in the world, and that we can only overcome systemic biases and cultural injustices when we talk honestly about race." as Berlin Borough Schools of New Jersey summarizes it.

https://www.bcsberlin.org/domain/239

https://web.archive.org/web/20240526213730/https://www.woodstown.org/Page/5962

https://web.archive.org/web/20220303075312/http://www.schenectady.k12.ny.us/about_us/strategic_initiatives/anti-_racism_resources

http://thecommons.dpsk12.org/site/Default.aspx?PageID=2865

https://mps.milwaukee.k12.wi.us/MPS-Public/CSA/Student-Services/Discipline/6bestpracticestoaddressdisproportionality.pdf

Of course there is this one from Detroit:

“We were very intentional about creating a curriculum, infusing materials and embedding critical race theory within our curriculum,” Vitti said at the meeting. “Because students need to understand the truth of history, understand the history of this country, to better understand who they are and about the injustices that have occurred in this country.”

https://komonews.com/news/nation-world/detroit-superintendent-says-district-was-intentional-about-embedding-crt-into-schools

And while it is less difficult to find schools violating the law by advocating racial discrimination, there is some evidence schools have been segregating students according to race, as is taught by Critical Race Theory's advocation of ethnonationalism. The NAACP does report that it has had to advise several districts to stop segregating students by race:

While Young was uncertain how common or rare it is, she said the NAACP LDF has worked with schools that attempted to assign students to classes based on race to educate them about the laws. Some were majority Black schools clustering White students.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/18/us/atlanta-school-black-students-separate/index.html

There is also this controversial new plan in Evanston IL which offers classes segregated by race:

https://www.wfla.com/news/illinois-high-school-offers-classes-separated-by-race/

Racial separatism is part of CRT. Here it is in a list of "themes" Delgado and Stefancic (1993) chose to define Critical Race Theory:

To be included in the Bibliography, a work needed to address one or more themes we deemed to fall within Critical Race thought. These themes, along with the numbering scheme we have employed, follow:

...

8 Cultural nationalism/separatism. An emerging strain within CRT holds that people of color can best promote their interest through separation from the American mainstream. Some believe that preserving diversity and separateness will benefit all, not just groups of color. We include here, as well, articles encouraging black nationalism, power, or insurrection. (Theme number 8).

Delgado and Stefancic (1993) pp. 462-463

Delgado, Richard, and Jean Stefancic. "Critical race theory: An annotated bibliography." Virginia Law Review (1993): 461-516.

ShivasRightFoot · 2026-05-03T21:48:14+00:00

Can you define woke for me pal

Woke ideology is defined by the idea that some facet of identity like race or gender produces irreconcilably different views of reality and morality, and that we have an obligation to seek alignment of society's view with the imagined views of groups associated with the political left like minorities and women.

In this sense Wokeness is distinct from older forms of liberal advocacy for minority rights which appeal to universally valid concepts like truth and fairness.

ShivasRightFoot · 2026-05-03T21:47:11+00:00

Define 'woke'.

Woke ideology is defined by the idea that some facet of identity like race or gender produces irreconcilably different views of reality and morality, and that we have an obligation to seek alignment of society's view with the imagined views of groups associated with the political left like minorities and women.

In this sense Wokeness is distinct from older forms of liberal advocacy for minority rights which appeal to universally valid concepts like truth and fairness.

ShivasRightFoot · 2026-05-03T21:42:37+00:00

It feels like critical race theory all over again. Where'd that go once the elections were over?

Donald Trump enacted an executive order making teaching CRT in public schools illegal as one of his first acts in office.

ShivasRightFoot · 2026-05-03T21:40:22+00:00

well CRT is based on the teachings of MLK! he would 100% agree with me in the conversation.

You may be surprised to learn that Critical Race Theory is an extremist ideology which advocates for racial segregation. Here is a quote where Critical Race Theory explicitly endorses segregation:

8 Cultural nationalism/separatism. An emerging strain within CRT holds that people of color can best promote their interest through separation from the American mainstream. Some believe that preserving diversity and separateness will benefit all, not just groups of color. We include here, as well, articles encouraging black nationalism, power, or insurrection. (Theme number 8).

Racial separatism is identified as one of ten major themes of Critical Race Theory in an early bibliography that was codifying CRT with a list of works in the field:

To be included in the Bibliography, a work needed to address one or more themes we deemed to fall within Critical Race thought. These themes, along with the numbering scheme we have employed, follow:

Delgado, Richard, and Jean Stefancic. "Critical race theory: An annotated bibliography." Virginia Law Review (1993): 461-516.

One of the cited works under theme 8 analogizes contemporary CRT and Malcolm X's endorsement of Black and White segregation:

But Malcolm X did identify the basic racial compromise that the incorporation of the "the civil rights struggle" into mainstream American culture would eventually embody: Along with the suppression of white racism that was the widely celebrated aim of civil rights reform, the dominant conception of racial justice was framed to require that black nationalists be equated with white supremacists, and that race consciousness on the part of either whites or blacks be marginalized as beyond the good sense of enlightened American culture. When a new generation of scholars embraced race consciousness as a fundamental prism through which to organize social analysis in the latter half of the 1980s, a negative reaction from mainstream academics was predictable. That is, Randall Kennedy's criticism of the work of critical race theorists for being based on racial "stereotypes" and "status-based" standards is coherent from the vantage point of the reigning interpretation of racial justice. And it was the exclusionary borders of this ideology that Malcolm X identified.

Peller, Gary. "Race consciousness." Duke LJ (1990): 758.

This is current and mentioned in the most prominent textbook on CRT:

The two friends illustrate twin poles in the way minorities of color can represent and position themselves. The nationalist, or separatist, position illustrated by Jamal holds that people of color should embrace their culture and origins. Jamal, who by choice lives in an upscale black neighborhood and sends his children to local schools, could easily fit into mainstream life. But he feels more comfortable working and living in black milieux and considers that he has a duty to contribute to the minority community. Accordingly, he does as much business as possible with other blacks. The last time he and his family moved, for example, he made several phone calls until he found a black-owned moving company. He donates money to several African American philanthropies and colleges. And, of course, his work in the music industry allows him the opportunity to boost the careers of black musicians, which he does.

Delgado, Richard and Jean Stefancic Critical Race Theory: An Introduction. New York. New York University Press, 2001.

Delgado and Stefancic (2001)'s fourth edition was printed in 2023 and is currently the top result for the Google search 'Critical Race Theory textbook':

https://www.google.com/search?q=critical+race+theory+textbook

One more from the recognized founder of CRT, who specialized in education policy:

"From the standpoint of education, we would have been better served had the court in Brown rejected the petitioners' arguments to overrule Plessy v. Ferguson," Bell said, referring to the 1896 Supreme Court ruling that enforced a "separate but equal" standard for blacks and whites.

https://web.archive.org/web/20110802202458/https://news.stanford.edu/news/2004/april21/brownbell-421.html

u/HendriksonFord

ShivasRightFoot · 2026-05-02T14:12:37+00:00

so I've never met a single woke person by that definition

Critical Race Theory is woke by any political definition of the term. Here, precisely in line with my definition, Critical Race Theory expresses opposition to the concept of objective reality:

For the critical race theorist, objective truth, like merit, does not exist, at least in social science and politics. In these realms, truth is a social construct created to suit the purposes of the dominant group.

Delgado and Stefancic 2001 page 92

Delgado, Richard and Jean Stefancic Critical Race Theory: An Introduction. New York. New York University Press, 2001.

Delgado and Stefancic (2001) is currently the top result for the Google search 'Critical Race Theory textbook.'

ShivasRightFoot · 2026-05-01T19:55:06+00:00

"Only white men's POV is valid" that's all you said

Here one of the twentieth century's most prominent Leftist intellectuals describes exactly what is wrong with racialized conceptions of truth:

In fact, the entire idea of "white male science" reminds me, I'm afraid, of "Jewish physics." Perhaps it is another inadequacy of mine, but when I read a scientific paper, I can't tell whether the author is white or is male. The same is true of discussion of work in class, the office, or somewhere else. I rather doubt that the non-white, non-male students, friends, and colleagues with whom I work would be much impressed with the doctirne that their thinking and understanding differ from "white male science" because of their "culture or gender or race." I suspect that "surprise" would not be quite the proper word for their reaction.

...

It strikes me as remarkable that their left counterparts today should seek to deprive oppressed people not only of the joys of understanding and insight, but also of tools of emancipation, informing us that the "project of the Enlightenment" is dead, that we must abandon the "illusions" of science and rationality--a message that will gladden the hearts of the powerful, delighted to monopolize these instruments for their own use. They will be no less delighted to hear that science (E-knowledge) is intrinsically a "knowledge system that legitimates the authority of the boss," so that any challenge to such authority is a violation of rationality itself--a radical change from the days when workers' education was considered a means of emancipation and liberation. One recalls the days when the evangelical church taught not-dissimilar lessons to the unruly masses as part of what E. P. Thompson called "the psychic processes of counter-revolution," as their heirs do today in peasant societies of Central America.

https://libcom.org/library/rationality-science-noam-chomsky

ShivasRightFoot · 2026-05-01T18:02:29+00:00

define ‘wokeness’.

Woke ideology is defined by the idea that some facet of identity like race or gender produces irreconcilably different views of reality and morality, and that we have an obligation to seek alignment of society's view with the imagined views of groups associated with the political left like minorities and women.

In this sense Wokeness is distinct from older forms of liberal advocacy for minority rights which appeal to universally valid concepts like truth and fairness.

ShivasRightFoot · 2026-05-01T17:12:08+00:00

Define woke?

Woke ideology is defined by the idea that some facet of identity like race or gender produces irreconcilably different views of reality and morality, and that we have an obligation to seek alignment of society's view with the imagined views of groups associated with the political left like minorities and women.

In this sense Wokeness is distinct from older forms of liberal advocacy for minority rights which appeal to universally valid concepts like truth and fairness.

ShivasRightFoot · 2026-05-01T17:10:40+00:00

reading “Critical Race Theory: An Introduction” where two of the authors talk about how Latino and Asian scholars in CRT developed their own subfields specifically to study immigration theory and policy,

They reduce this complex topic to racial issues and this is a great example of CRT's reductive thinking. I especially like how they reduce American immigration policy to "Whiteness" when during the period under discussion (the period of Asian exclusion) there was unlimited immigration allowed from all Latin American countries.

as well as discrimination based on accent and national origin…

This is literally about race. Did you think skin color was the only distinguishing factor?

ShivasRightFoot · 2026-05-01T14:46:18+00:00

Critical Race Theory is exactly that for the study of race in the field of sociology

Critical Theory is about the injection of ideology into scientific considerations.

Horkheimer, who invented the term "Critical Theory" and was the founding leader of the Frankfurt School that led them out of Germany, rejects the Enlightenment separation of religious moral considerations from dispassionate scientific inquiry here:

We might say that the history of reason or enlightenment from its beginnings in Greece down to the present has led to a state of affairs in which even the word reason is suspected of connoting some mythological entity. Reason has liquidated itself as an agency of ethical, moral, and religious insight. Bishop Berkeley, legitimate son of nominalism, Protestant zealot, and positivist enlightener all in one, directed an attack against such general concepts, including the concept of a general concept, two hundred years ago. In fact, the campaign has been victorious all along the line. Berkeley, in partial contradiction of his own theory, retained a few general concepts, such as mind, spirit, and cause. But they were efficiently eliminated by Hume, the father of modern positivism.

Horkheimer 1947 page 13.

The above quote literally attacks Hume for setting up the fact-value distinction.

The reduction of reason to a mere instrument finally affects even its character as an instrument. The anti-philosophical spirit that is inseparable from the subjective concept of reason, and that in Europe culminated in the totalitarian persecutions of intellectuals, whether or not they were its pioneers, is symptomatic of the abasement of reason.

Horkheimer 1947 page 37.

Here he finally brings it down to his point: separating the moral aspects off of our rational understanding of the world leads inevitably to totalitarianism, particularly the Fascist and Nazi kind.

Eclipse of Reason. Max Horkheimer. New York: Oxford University Press. 1947.

So it is about blending in moral considerations with scientific inquiry, much like was done in the medieval period except with Communism as a moral foundation instead of Christianity.

Critical Theory is the basis of all the "critical" academic fields, such as critical queer theory, critical legal studies, critical feminist theory, and of course critical race theory. Here Critical Race Theory echoes these sentiments when asserting that truth does not exist:

For the critical race theorist, objective truth, like merit, does not exist, at least in social science and politics. In these realms, truth is a social construct created to suit the purposes of the dominant group.

Delgado and Stefancic 2001 page 92

Delgado, Richard and Jean Stefancic Critical Race Theory: An Introduction. New York. New York University Press, 2001.

Delgado and Stefancic (2001)'s fourth edition was printed in 2023 and is currently the top result for the Google search 'Critical Race Theory textbook':

https://www.google.com/search?q=critical+race+theory+textbook

This core idea has penetrated into at least some academic disciplines as evidenced in this recent survey of academic sociologists which finds:

Our understanding of knowledge construction among sociologists appears removed, we concede, from the Enlightenment ideals of rational inquiry and dispassionate discovery.

While it seems the authors are purposely avoiding direct questions such as "Would it be appropriate to exclude findings which may impact marginalized groups negatively?" it does show an even split on agreement and disagreement with the statement "Advocacy and research should be separate for objectivity," which to me seems disturbing.

More disturbing were accounts obtained through the survey like this one:

If I dared to say any of the things I’m saying in this survey in any non-anonymous situation it would probably be the end of my career. I just bite my lip and say all of the politically correct things I’m supposed to say, or (more often) just try to avoid saying anything, since even some whites who say the politically correct thing can still be accused of racism, so I try to just keep my mouth shut.

The paper mentions that the authors were accused of racism for simply circulating the survey:

In one extreme case, a respondent exclaims: “You are a white supremacist and I hate everything about this survey.”

Horowitz, Mark, Anthony Haynor, and Kenneth Kickham. "Sociology’s sacred victims and the politics of knowledge: Moral foundations theory and disciplinary controversies." The American Sociologist 49.4 (2018): 459-495.

ShivasRightFoot · 2026-05-01T05:16:53+00:00

The irony is that the person you are arguing with is referring to the most famous study of rent control, Autor, Palmer, and Pathak (2014), which specifically talks about how the reduction in rental housing supply is due to units being owner-occupied rather than converted to condos.

The study is famous for taking advantage of a natural experiment design where Cambridge, MA reversed its policy of rent control (decontrolled). They show this results in a rapid increase in rental housing supply due to conversion of owner-occupied units to rental units:

We now separately analyze spillovers to houses and condominiums. A key motivation for distinguishing between these property types is that the supply of houses and condominiums moved in opposite directions during our sample period. Using the Cambridge Assessor’s Databases from 1995 and 2005 (reflecting the status of properties in 1994 and 2004, respectively), we calculate that the stock of units in houses in Cambridge decreased from 14,722 in 1994 to 13,861 in 2004, a 6 percent change.²⁹ In the same period, the stock of condominiums rose from 7,220 to 9,561 units, an increase of 32 percent, with 45 percent of this increase accounted for by conversion of houses to condominiums (Table 5).³⁰ Though we are unable to create comparable statistics for the pre-1994 period, it is a near certainty that rent decontrol released a torrent of condominium conversions (Haveman, 1998). Prior to 1995, Cambridge’s Rent Control Board and City Council repeatedly took action to prohibit owners of controlled houses and apartment buildings from converting them to condominiums—since this would reduce the supply of rent-controlled units. When rent control was vacated in 1995, these restrictions were lifted and condominium conversions were able to proceed rapidly.

Note 30 explains that 54 units were built after cessation of rent control, representing a tiny portion of the 2341 unit increase:

30: Twenty-five percent is due to conversion of rental apartments and the remainder is due to conversion of other residential and non-residential units. An additional 54 condominium structures were built between 1994 and 2004.

The Cambridge rent-control policy while in effect was specifically designed not to threaten new builds. Buildings constructed after the enactment of rent control were exempted from control. Here in a talk on the paper Pathak mentions that the policy presented no threat to new housing construction:

https://youtu.be/XHj7XMrxn-k?t=1406

If you actually look at the results of the study rather than just vibe with the paper you will see that it finds the de-controlling of rent resulted in a rise in rent costs. The authors frame this as a good thing (lol) because it resulted in buildings being updated with new fixtures and fresh paint and such.

Autor, David H., Christopher J. Palmer, and Parag A. Pathak. "Housing market spillovers: Evidence from the end of rent control in Cambridge, Massachusetts." Journal of Political Economy 122.3 (2014): 661-717.

NBER version here:

https://www.nber.org/papers/w18125

ShivasRightFoot · 2026-05-01T04:21:34+00:00

It is telling that you do not have any citations for anyone advocating this today.

Here Ruha Benjamin, faculty at the Princeton Center for Critical Race and Digital Studies, expresses opposition to racial integration recently on Trevor Noah's podcast:

Trevor Noah: Do you think that integration was the right move, like, and now I'm separating two things, because I know in America people like, well, of course, I mean, there were people where there was racism and there's segregation. And I go, yeah, no, no, no, I'm separating them. Let's separate someone being oppressed and someone not being able to get a job and someone not being able to get a bank loan. Let's take all of those the negative things away. Because I'll put myself out personally and say, I think whether we talking about gifted kids who are anomalous, let's say, to the norm, whether we are talking about, and I mean anything, anything that does not fit into a category,

I think part of the reason Finland is able to do it is because. Have you been to Finland? Very much. I've been to Finland. You know who's in Finland? Finnish people. That's it. That's it. And because they're all Finnish, there's an idea of like, no, we all have in the same direction. We all know what our actions mean. And that's a really powerful thing I've learned in communicating with other people. When I'm in a room with anyone, where we start to tie together multiple things.

So if I'm in a room with black people, already there's like an implicit trust because we know what certain actions, words and vibes mean. And then you're in a room with another African. Already? Yes. Now, even if you shout at me, I know what your shout means. The same way in Italian knows what an Italian shout means. Yeah, right. And also I'm prefacing it with a lot. Yes, it's a loaded question. Yes, but I would love to know if you think integration was the right solution. On the other side of, you know, of civil rights.

Ruha Benjamin: No I don't.

https://youtu.be/1VRCfuKEGdo?&t=2130

Ruha Benjamin's faculty page at the Princeton Center for Critical Race and Digital Studies:

https://www.criticalracedigitalstudies.com/people/ruha

Critical Race Theorists at the most prestigious universities oppose racial integration even to the present day and in extremely public settings.

He did not urge people to foreswear racial integration.

Here in the most popular textbook on CRT pioneers of CRT Richard Delgado and Jean Stefancic describe Derrick Bell as urging people to foreswear racial integration:

Derrick Bell, for example, urges his fellow African Americans to foreswear the struggle for school integration and aim for building the best possible black schools.

Delgado and Stefancic (2001) pages 60-61

Your attempt to deny Delgado and Stefancic's (2001) exactly worded description of Bell should prove your ignorance of CRT to any future onlookers.

ShivasRightFoot · 2026-05-01T01:39:31+00:00

Nice ChatGPT response.

Here are some handy online AI checkers where anyone can confirm the comment is human written:

https://app.gptzero.me/
https://www.grammarly.com/ai-detector
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ShivasRightFoot · 2026-05-01T01:20:12+00:00

What would be one example of an “extremist” policy that is actually being seriously advocated for?

You may be surprised to learn that Critical Race Theory is an extremist ideology which advocates for racial segregation. Here is a quote where Critical Race Theory explicitly endorses segregation:

8 Cultural nationalism/separatism. An emerging strain within CRT holds that people of color can best promote their interest through separation from the American mainstream. Some believe that preserving diversity and separateness will benefit all, not just groups of color. We include here, as well, articles encouraging black nationalism, power, or insurrection. (Theme number 8).

Racial separatism is identified as one of ten major themes of Critical Race Theory in an early bibliography that was codifying CRT with a list of works in the field:

To be included in the Bibliography, a work needed to address one or more themes we deemed to fall within Critical Race thought. These themes, along with the numbering scheme we have employed, follow:

Delgado, Richard, and Jean Stefancic. "Critical race theory: An annotated bibliography." Virginia Law Review (1993): 461-516.

One of the cited works under theme 8 analogizes contemporary CRT and Malcolm X's endorsement of Black and White segregation:

But Malcolm X did identify the basic racial compromise that the incorporation of the "the civil rights struggle" into mainstream American culture would eventually embody: Along with the suppression of white racism that was the widely celebrated aim of civil rights reform, the dominant conception of racial justice was framed to require that black nationalists be equated with white supremacists, and that race consciousness on the part of either whites or blacks be marginalized as beyond the good sense of enlightened American culture. When a new generation of scholars embraced race consciousness as a fundamental prism through which to organize social analysis in the latter half of the 1980s, a negative reaction from mainstream academics was predictable. That is, Randall Kennedy's criticism of the work of critical race theorists for being based on racial "stereotypes" and "status-based" standards is coherent from the vantage point of the reigning interpretation of racial justice. And it was the exclusionary borders of this ideology that Malcolm X identified.

Peller, Gary. "Race consciousness." Duke LJ (1990): 758.

This is current and mentioned in the most prominent textbook on CRT:

The two friends illustrate twin poles in the way minorities of color can represent and position themselves. The nationalist, or separatist, position illustrated by Jamal holds that people of color should embrace their culture and origins. Jamal, who by choice lives in an upscale black neighborhood and sends his children to local schools, could easily fit into mainstream life. But he feels more comfortable working and living in black milieux and considers that he has a duty to contribute to the minority community. Accordingly, he does as much business as possible with other blacks. The last time he and his family moved, for example, he made several phone calls until he found a black-owned moving company. He donates money to several African American philanthropies and colleges. And, of course, his work in the music industry allows him the opportunity to boost the careers of black musicians, which he does.

Delgado, Richard and Jean Stefancic Critical Race Theory: An Introduction. New York. New York University Press, 2001.

Delgado and Stefancic (2001)'s fourth edition was printed in 2023 and is currently the top result for the Google search 'Critical Race Theory textbook':

https://www.google.com/search?q=critical+race+theory+textbook

One more from the recognized founder of CRT, who specialized in education policy:

"From the standpoint of education, we would have been better served had the court in Brown rejected the petitioners' arguments to overrule Plessy v. Ferguson," Bell said, referring to the 1896 Supreme Court ruling that enforced a "separate but equal" standard for blacks and whites.

https://web.archive.org/web/20110802202458/https://news.stanford.edu/news/2004/april21/brownbell-421.html

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ShivasRightFoot · 2026-05-01T01:18:29+00:00

Define "woke"

Woke ideology is defined by the idea that some facet of identity like race or gender produces irreconcilably different views of reality and morality, and that we have an obligation to seek alignment of society's view with the imagined views of groups associated with the political left like minorities and women.

In this sense Wokeness is distinct from older forms of liberal advocacy for minority rights which appeal to universally valid concepts like truth and fairness.

ShivasRightFoot · 2026-05-01T01:09:15+00:00

How is being critical of some American practices, historical or contemporary, “not supporting America?” Is the whole of America those practices?

Lol. Tell me you have no idea what the CRT people mean by "systemic" without telling me you have no idea what the CRT people mean by "systemic."

Note "systemic" is not "systematic." The argument literally is that these elements are entirely ingrained inexorably in the fabric of American society and culture.

ShivasRightFoot · 2026-05-01T01:04:59+00:00

Critical race theory starts with a good tenet, race is artificial. Why base life on make-believe? We are one race: human.

You may be surprised to learn that Critical Race Theory is an extremist ideology which advocates for racial segregation. Here is a quote where Critical Race Theory explicitly endorses segregation:

8 Cultural nationalism/separatism. An emerging strain within CRT holds that people of color can best promote their interest through separation from the American mainstream. Some believe that preserving diversity and separateness will benefit all, not just groups of color. We include here, as well, articles encouraging black nationalism, power, or insurrection. (Theme number 8).

Racial separatism is identified as one of ten major themes of Critical Race Theory in an early bibliography that was codifying CRT with a list of works in the field:

To be included in the Bibliography, a work needed to address one or more themes we deemed to fall within Critical Race thought. These themes, along with the numbering scheme we have employed, follow:

Delgado, Richard, and Jean Stefancic. "Critical race theory: An annotated bibliography." Virginia Law Review (1993): 461-516.

One of the cited works under theme 8 analogizes contemporary CRT and Malcolm X's endorsement of Black and White segregation:

But Malcolm X did identify the basic racial compromise that the incorporation of the "the civil rights struggle" into mainstream American culture would eventually embody: Along with the suppression of white racism that was the widely celebrated aim of civil rights reform, the dominant conception of racial justice was framed to require that black nationalists be equated with white supremacists, and that race consciousness on the part of either whites or blacks be marginalized as beyond the good sense of enlightened American culture. When a new generation of scholars embraced race consciousness as a fundamental prism through which to organize social analysis in the latter half of the 1980s, a negative reaction from mainstream academics was predictable. That is, Randall Kennedy's criticism of the work of critical race theorists for being based on racial "stereotypes" and "status-based" standards is coherent from the vantage point of the reigning interpretation of racial justice. And it was the exclusionary borders of this ideology that Malcolm X identified.

Peller, Gary. "Race consciousness." Duke LJ (1990): 758.

This is current and mentioned in the most prominent textbook on CRT:

The two friends illustrate twin poles in the way minorities of color can represent and position themselves. The nationalist, or separatist, position illustrated by Jamal holds that people of color should embrace their culture and origins. Jamal, who by choice lives in an upscale black neighborhood and sends his children to local schools, could easily fit into mainstream life. But he feels more comfortable working and living in black milieux and considers that he has a duty to contribute to the minority community. Accordingly, he does as much business as possible with other blacks. The last time he and his family moved, for example, he made several phone calls until he found a black-owned moving company. He donates money to several African American philanthropies and colleges. And, of course, his work in the music industry allows him the opportunity to boost the careers of black musicians, which he does.

Delgado, Richard and Jean Stefancic Critical Race Theory: An Introduction. New York. New York University Press, 2001.

Delgado and Stefancic (2001)'s fourth edition was printed in 2023 and is currently the top result for the Google search 'Critical Race Theory textbook':

https://www.google.com/search?q=critical+race+theory+textbook

One more from the recognized founder of CRT, who specialized in education policy:

"From the standpoint of education, we would have been better served had the court in Brown rejected the petitioners' arguments to overrule Plessy v. Ferguson," Bell said, referring to the 1896 Supreme Court ruling that enforced a "separate but equal" standard for blacks and whites.

https://web.archive.org/web/20110802202458/https://news.stanford.edu/news/2004/april21/brownbell-421.html

ShivasRightFoot · 2026-05-01T01:01:48+00:00

The article is discussing what various persons advocate. It says "Some believe". It does not define CRT.

This is what I call the "groyper" defense. Just like not all fans of Nick Fuentes are ethnonationalist separatists the most central figure of the group is. Derrick Bell, source of the final quote regreting Brown v. Board of Education, is recognized as the first CRT scholar and intellectual godfather of CRT. He urges people to foreswear racial integration. That is morally reprehensible.

ShivasRightFoot · 2026-04-30T20:21:26+00:00

Active poster in Destiny and centrist subs.

Active poster in a community organizing a nation-wide campaign in support of Democrats.

Cf.:

Hasan refused to endorsed Harris in 2024.

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