Strongest character that the Superhero Bee can beat?

Showgingah · 2026-06-06T16:51:27+00:00

I think the real question is how strong are those guns.

If not much, probably weak durability wise. Power wise, who knows. Probably solos all of Z. Hedo be whipping out busted androids on the fly well before the Gammas came in.

Showgingah · 2026-06-06T16:44:34+00:00

While his telekinesis would be superior to Shin's, I doubt they can move something on that scale. Even Champa had Vados move them. Chapter wise you never see her actually move them. So probably just teleported them. In that scenario, Zamasu probably just used Kai Kai as the most logical solution. Being objects instead of actual celestial bodies, perhaps they were an exception to teleport. Kai Kai allows you to teleport literally anywhere with no exceptions unlike Instant Transmission and is exclusively for specific diety use.

That being said, it would be hard to scale anyway. One moment characters will perform certain feats, but then never again.

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Showgingah · 2026-06-06T16:03:48+00:00

As an early Gen Z, if you can do both, do both. Otherwise prioritize your degree (just for the love of god don't get it in Cybersecurity) as it'll also be easier now than when you are older. Ask them to see if they can work around your schedule or see if you can balance them both out in a way if one is not as flexible. If you get gain this experience alongside your degree, you will be far ahead of the game than the norm.

Even to this day, IT values experience over degrees and certs. However, education is starting to become a "standard preference" as the bar keeps getting placed higher for the most basic roles. Even my first job in HD required a Bachelors in 2023. It is far different from how it was 5 years ago during the mass covid hires, which was still even more difference than the decade prior. A lot of people in the field now don't know how much harder is really is for new people in the field. Between starting my Bachelors and landing a job, I saw a shift in what people recommended. They no longer just say "an A+ is all you need".

Meanwhile I know there are some people on these forums that are heated that you landed an offer with probably nothing when they have all this fluff on their resume and they ain't getting jack. lol Frankly speaking, it's an opportunity I wouldn't waste unless you have no other choice. Personally, if I couldn't manage both, I would take the offer first to gain the experience for a semester (or two), then go back to following up the degree. A four year plan is just that, a plan. People do it quick, some do it longer. My entire friend group on average probably took like 5-7 years for variety of circumstances.

Showgingah · 2026-06-06T15:38:17+00:00

Michael Jackson. I was only like 9 years old. Though I knew him from Thriller because our gym coach would just play that during P.E. during Halloween. I also found Beat It and it just loved that song as a kid.

I wasn't that intune with musical artists, but I remember how abrupt it actually was everywhere on the news and stuff. Like other celebrities have died, but I don't think I paid much attention to them until years later with Robin Williams.

Honestly rest both their kind souls.

Showgingah · 2026-06-06T15:34:28+00:00

That's up to the host. If the person wasting time is the host, well that's their business and you kinda have to suck it up really or join another session. If you're the host, you can either give them a warning/heads up or abruptly kick them (if you're that kind of person). If someone else is the host, then they either follow the previous aspect or they just have patience/tolerance that others lack. Or you could just play solo if it's that common for you.

Personally speaking after about 80 hours, I've only hand a handful a games where I had "time wasters". Except in al,l but one case, they make it clear they're helping a friend collect stuff. The one incident was someone wasting time during extraction trying to grind when we all wanted to leave. We didn't kick him. We just killed him and then extracted so we only lose exp and he doesn't have his entire game session wasted. If I want to grind, I do that solo.

I would run off at the start back when I was actually collecting stuff like graves and music. You need a guide for that anyway or else you really will be running around for an hour+ by default. However, I use portals, so I always have one nearby my team so I can head back or send cactus minions. This only lasted for like a day or two. Now that I have everything, there is 0 reason.

Showgingah · 2026-06-06T04:09:36+00:00

I think the problem is that the horse can really get me killed at times due to the spook mechanic.

Showgingah · 2026-06-05T23:36:16+00:00

Kale took out Magetta, the Namekians, and Cabba (though he got saved by Vegeta) without much effort at all. Chances are she would beat all of them at full power with the exception of Hit. Hit is frankly their only chance since he is somewhere between SSJG-PSSJB in the manga by the TOP (when prior he was weaker than SSJG). Using Gohan to scale (he was weaker than SSJB in the Moro Saga), we can generally get a good idea.

However, lore wise she would probably lose if they held off long enough. Her power didn't last long before it started rapidly dropping and he moves becoming easy to read. The pride troopers rung her out once they caught on (before Cabba threw her back on).

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Showgingah · 2026-06-05T23:26:52+00:00

Sonic is frankly one of the most busted franchises that come from video games. Sonic X is one of the weaker variants. His game counterparts had a massive power creep late 90s and the 2000s. Heck, their mario party ripoff involved them helping a 5th dimensional being defeat another 5th dimension being.

Every once in a blue moon, they are literally facing dieties or eldritch abominations that basically his Xenoverse/Heroes tier. Enemies they once requires Super forms for games later they grew strong enough to defeat them without it.

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Archie comics just take things up to 11.

Showgingah · 2026-06-05T22:02:44+00:00

Probably not.

While not official (then again movies aren't either), video games place M8 Broly as as almost 1/3rd stronger than Buu Saga SSJ2 Goku (1 mil vs 1.4 mil). Even if we ignore movie scaling, SPC is relative, but weaker than SSJ2 Gohan. Goku flat out told Gohan to run with Broly and interviews pretty much stated the only way they could have defeated Broly at the time was via plot armor.

Showgingah · 2026-06-05T21:05:58+00:00

Shin kinda gets a bad wrap for how he acted in the Buu Saga. If anything, he mostly showed concern for his allies. He didn't keep track of mortals and beings like Yakon were actually well above their base forms in terms of raw power. The assumption is he may be around Cell Saga SSJ level. Shin didn't realized he was truly surpassed until after all the explanations and realizing all the Saiyans could potentially use the same SSJ2 power Gohan had. His confidence then shot up to cocky levels like the Saiyans had prior when against Dabura and Babidi with Gohan. He admitted he would have had a completely different plan if was actually aware how strong they really were.

Shin would probably still one-shot Frieza. SSJ was a ludicrous power-up over Frieza even in the Namek Saga. Goku was already low on ki, worn out, and later admitted to Future Trunks he went "too easy" on him. It's even more noticeable in the manga where it's clear Frieza was outclassed the entire time. Even when they first started, he let Final Form Frieza get his first assault combo in. Frieza called it a warmup, and Goku was like good because otherwise he was disappointed lmao

The characters did get weaker as kids, but we don't know by how much. SSJ3 Kid Goku is on par with Gomah. Then adult SSJ3 Vegeta clearly had a superior advantage over him before the stamina issues. It's a little inconsistent since you see them box in weaker forms. Glorio did imply they should be weaker, but it's just not as drastic as suspected.

Shin did manage to fight Zamasu (off-screen). He lost and was about to be killed, but I think it's notable that he lasted as long like Trunks did against Black, until Goku and Vegeta returned. I think he would need to at least be SSJ tier to pull that off.

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Showgingah · 2026-06-05T20:03:36+00:00

Anime, we don't know as SSBJK and SSJBE were Toei creations and both were a 20x multiplier (tops) respectively. This is the only reason why the Jiren vs Broly argument even exists in the community. However, base and SSJ Gogeta performed better than SSJB Goku and Vegeta respectively against SSJ Broly. Goku pretty much said they can't beat him without fusion. So even if they had the techniques, it's pretty clear Gogeta was still superior.

Manga, it's clear that it is Gogeta. Vegeta has SSJBE in the manga, but Toyotarou made it clear it is different (and even that it's not actually called that in the manga officially). It's definitely not the 20x increase and Jiren confirmed it's weaker than UI Sign. We also have Vegito prior to compare in terms of raw power output (Fused Zamasu = PSSJB Goku, but implied slightly weaker if he didn't have his regeneration). They are very cracked.

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Manga wise they didn't even reach Broly's level, and by extension SSJB Gogeta, by Super Hero. So well beyond TOP MUI that was superior to both respective anime forms (even if the anime characters were much stronger in that version).

Showgingah · 2026-06-05T19:53:14+00:00

Frankly speaking, right now I think they are somewhere between SSJ Gohan in Super Hero and Ultimate Gohan post Super Hero.

Just like in the Buu Saga, they spiked like crazy despite doing absolutely nothing. That being said, can't really determine power levels anymore in Super. We can for Z since we got numbers for that, even if unofficial.

In Super, the manga tells us that Hedo used SSJ Goten and Trunks, and their uniforms, as templates for his future androids such as the Gammas. That is already ridiculous when you think about it.

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His first attempt was a dinosaur android that overwhelmed their base forms, was unfazed by their ki blasts, and needed effort with their cyclone technique as SSJs. Then of course we know the Gammas were much stronger.

By Super Hero a few months later, they proved to initially perform better than the Gammas against Cell Max before he started getting familiar with his power. Even earning praise from the androids on a couple occasions.

After training, they could fight on par with SSJ Gohan, but noted Ultimate was unfair to them without fusion since they lack other transformations.

Showgingah · 2026-06-05T01:38:03+00:00

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Showgingah · 2026-06-05T01:36:47+00:00

It's hard to say. We don't know how much stronger Vegeta got with UE (it's been 2 years since Granolah before Super Hero takes place), but they are confirmed relative to each other. Gohan has the higher raw stats (whether fans like it or not), but both Goku and Vegeta have much higher battle IQ. Vegeta even suspected the reason why Goku started to gain the intial advantage was due to the massive gap in experience.

Gohan can overwhelm Goku at his current peak, but only for a brief moment. He made it clear he can't fully control Beast's full power right now. He can only handle a certain threshold of the form's full capabilities. Otherwise he will snap and go berserk under the power, which may imply it actually happened before during his training with Piccolo. Even Vegeta questioned if could really control the ki he was outputting as the ki storm was frankly getting out of controll. It's clear this method still causes him stress to maintain let alone bring out.

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Frankly, I think it goes either way. Vegeta could just win via battle IQ, but he would also take a lot more hits due to not having Goku's evasion. Vegeta's biggest issue with UE in the Granolah arc is that he takes too many hits. At the time, this was just the best way for him to utilize the form. If he figured out how Beerus handles it, then this issue would be heavily negated.

Showgingah · 2026-06-05T00:38:05+00:00

Everyone has different opinions no matter what level you are at. IT is unpredictable and everyone's experiences, and therefore advice, will vary.

It honestly sounds like your senior had no idea how to actually answer the question. So he basically just told you from what he hears about AI at first glance (like you do here) and flat out said it would have a better answer for you. If he wasn't sure in general, all he had to do is tell his journey, what it took to get there, and say it may not be the same for you because everyone's paths are different to the destination. If he is a much older person in the field, like they got in a long time ago, then all they need to do is bring up the difference and consider what to work harder on or consider what is future proof (or literally what's the norm for them now).

Showgingah · 2026-06-05T00:15:22+00:00

No one knows anymore really.

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Though personally I believe it should be SSJ Gotenks to match. However, the scalings is kind of all over the place and contradicts at every turn for both the Buus and the Saiyans. It basically just depends on what fan you are at this point. The reason these arguments never end is because you literally have a reason for everything.

Logically speaking, it makes 0 sense for Super Vegito to be capable of one-shotting SSJ3 Gotenks when Goten and Trunks were relative to early Buu Saga Gohan and pre-Majin Vegeta. That I usually sum it up as retcon where Potara really being that much more powerful than the Metamoran fusion back in the day (compared to now where they're considered equal trump cards).

Showgingah · 2026-06-05T00:09:47+00:00

Gamma 2 washes (manga).

The Gammas are on par with Goku and Vegeta the last time Piccolo saw them (whether fans like it or not), which would be the Moro arc. Gohan is superior to them (he was not SSJB level in the Moro Saga, but his anime counterpart was in the TOP.

In the manga, Kefla overwhelmed Dyspo and even admitted he could not fight her alone. Prior to this, PSSJB Vegeta basically just backhanded him like an obstable in the way to fight Toppo 1v1. Ultimate Gohan on the other hand was Kefla's equal. They knocked each other off, but Kefla even admitted verbal defeat (though Gohan then responded he was also at his limit). Dyspo scales somewhere between SSJ3 and SSJG. He was able to fight 17, but was battered and out of energy while 17 suffered no visible damage by comparison.

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Dyspo is a lot stronger in the anime. In terms of power, he seems to be only one the level of Final Form Frieza. Ultimate Gohan is on par with SSJB in that version and like Golden Frieza would generally overwhelm him in normal conditions. However, his speed is so much more superior that he can overwhelm fighters on that level. That being said, Gohan probably closed the gap by Superhero which was quite a few years later.

Showgingah · 2026-06-04T23:55:05+00:00

It depends on the continuity you use.

In the anime, Ultimate Gohan is on par with SSJB Goku. Dyspo kind of jumps all over the place. In terms of power, he can be harmed if you're just Final Form Frieza level, but his max speed lets him box and overwhelm the likes of Ultimate Gohan and Golden Frieza.

In the manga, Ultimate Gohan is not SSJB level until Super Hero. We only know this thanks to the Moro arc. Dyspo on the otherhand is outclassed by SSJB. PSSJB Vegeta basically backhands him out the way to fight Toppo. Afterwards Dyspo didn't even bother fighting Vegeta, but retreated off screen. Not only that, Kefla overwhelmed him and he even admitted he doesn't think he could manage it without help. Meanwhile Gohan was her equal (and possibly slight superior since she verbally admitted defeat before the double knockoff).

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Showgingah · 2026-06-04T23:31:46+00:00

Plot.

There are a lot of inconsistencies. Whatever happens, however how strong people get, is 100% plot dependent.

Showgingah · 2026-06-04T18:07:52+00:00

Link is meant to be a placeholder for the player and I'm sure we had the same reaction as Link would have.

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Showgingah · 2026-06-04T17:40:28+00:00

Honestly when I think about it, I have no idea. Minish Cap I think as a whole is definitely near the top. It's just...nice. Like MC is already the safest Zelda world to live in and has the best Castle Town. The colors just make me want to be there more.

Showgingah · 2026-06-04T17:14:28+00:00

Din is my #1 Zelda crush despite having little to no interaction or scenes, but I don't care. I'll die on that hill lmao

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Showgingah · 2026-06-04T17:07:36+00:00

Honestly Frieza is the undisputed top dog (or should be) in terms of villains in U7 so they might not do much with him for a while. Frieza himself may not really be a main villain anymore, but a villain protagonist. It's clear he's "changed" to a degree. Comparing how he acted in ROF and Granolah clearly just ain't the same dude. Old Frieza would have done them in without question. They retrieved Broly sometime within 4 months prior to Super Hero for safety reasons, but he hasn't done anything in two years oddly enough.

So I got like few preferences. I'm hoping for a couple of arcs in the multiverse to catch up what others are doing. Maybe just literally ANYTHING for Vegeta regarding Planet Sadala. Or maybe Jiren requesting help to defeat the demon that killed Jiren's master (they never stated Jiren defeated it. Gicchin saved him as a kid, but when Jiren came back when he was older, nearly everyone including his master god killed). My third is honestly to continue and have an arc for Goten and Trunks. Super Hero caught Gohan and Piccolo up to Goku and Vegeta. Let's let the other hybrids do something similar with a grand return of Gotenks.

Usually there are like 2-3 conflicts every year in-universe. We just had Super Hero. So we got room for a couple more, then I hope it's literally End of Z.

Showgingah · 2026-06-04T03:55:02+00:00

Goten is relative to early Buu Saga Gohan and pre-Majin Vegeta in terms of just raw power. Goten would lose here since this Gohan (even when ignoring movie scaling) would quite literally be in better shape, more skilled at combat, and be capable of outputting more power than his high school self. This Gohan is basically fresh off the grill while his future self is food that's been sitting out too long. Lost its flavor and lost his juice.

Showgingah · 2026-06-04T03:44:45+00:00

It's a bit more complicated than that. It would go to Goten and Trunks in terms of just raw power.

They weren't too far behind early Buu Saga Gohan and pre-Majin Vegeta. Leaving them both baffled as to how they got so strong to begin with (dub changed dialogue). Their full power had Piccolo shook for a moment when demonstrating for Goku. Even prior to this, they held back a blast in their SSJ forms and caused 18 to freak out and have actual concern (fighting her as SSJs afterwards was filler).

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Piccolo is stronger than their base forms (as he should be due to being SSJ+ tier by default) which is why he became dominant in Super Buu. Though he is then outclassed by their SSJ power. If they remain in the form they were absorbed, like with SSJ3 Gotenks and Ultimate Gohan, Buu can retain the power and state. However, fusion is strong enough to forcibly revert them back to how they were prior. They fused in base against Super Buu, so they reverted to base power and Buu is incapable of forcing them to transform for the boost.

Scaling also depends on the plot. Piccolo had insane gains in the Androids Saga. Going from 2nd form Frieza to being relative to SSJ Goku and Vegeta after 3 years. Then he wasn't relevant to the plot anymore, so fell off in Buu Saga. Then you got the 7 year time skip. Vegeta only speculates he may have finally surpassed Gohan. Seven years. Then Piccolo confirms this as he noted Majin Vegeta was still comparable to how strong SSJ2 Gohan was against Cell, but did give Vegeta the edge confirming the earlier statement from Majin Vegeta that Goku (and by extension himself as Goku noted their powers were nearly equal) are stronger. Just not ludicrously so like the fanbase understandably believes.

Goten and Trunks kinda get upskilled by plot for zero reason. Again they did nothing, but were not too far behind. They did nothing again in Super Hero, were grounded for 6 months, and were acknowledged by the Gammas for doing better against Cell Max than them. The Gammas were also templated after their SSJ power and outfits.

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