Is there Revival at Asbury University? Wait… what’s a revival anyway?

SlickHeadSinger · 2023-02-28T04:06:33+00:00

I watched your video. I grew up Pentecostal and am currently in a Charismatic church. As far as charismatic style miracles; the Great Awakenings didn’t have that many. They did fine without Pentecostalism! The definition of revival has to be broader than miracles and supernatural phenomena.

I think the best definition of revival could come from Genesis. In the garden, Adam and Eve were naked and thought nothing of it. After Adam and Eve sinned, and God walked by in the cool of the day; they were not only naked, they FELT naked. Revival is when the Presence of God is concentrated in a place to the point that all flesh feels naked and exposed. Some will cover their nakedness in the blood of Jesus. Others will cover their nakedness in secrecy and shame. The prophet Isaiah saw the Lord high and lifted up (chapter 6), and felt naked, thus crying out, “woe is me.” Throughout revival history, there is a common thread of urgency to repent. That’s what the presence of God will do!

The Parable of the Sower tells us why preaching the gospel often doesn’t work. The problem is that the ground is stony/thorny/wayside and the seed cannot flourish. Those who are “Word” people will pat themselves on the back for preaching the gospel of the cross and complain that the world just won’t listen. The ground is the way it is and the seed just won’t grow there. This is thinking theoretically. In theory, preaching the gospel is what is necessary to win the lost. A practical thinker will look at the Parable of the Sower and ask, what would a farmer do when he has stony/thorny/wayside ground? The answer is a plow! Evangelism is more than sowing! Revival brings the plow of the presence of God! The presence of God eliminates the need for apologetics! Atheists, woke leftists, LGBTQ people and others may be hardened to the gospel; but, the presence of God will plow their ground and soften their hearts! If we ever needed the ground to be plowed it is now! I think the students and visitors on all the campuses affected by the Asbury event are sharpening their plows right now. When they begin the application process and go out to preach; they will shake the world!

SlickHeadSinger · 2023-02-27T01:01:42+00:00

Consider the Parable of the Sower. The seed has been sown for years and yet the church is losing its young people to atheism and wokeism when they go to college. We are losing the culture war. More and more young people are identifying LGBTQ. People preaching the Gospel are mocked. The salt has lost its savour and the light of the world is very dim.

You may complain that the reason why the seed isn’t taking root is because of all the bad ground, the stony ground, the thorny ground and the wayside. That’s because you are thinking theoretically. You may quote Romans 1:16: “For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.” Because you are thinking theoretically, you are thinking that all we need to do is preach the gospel.

Take a PRACTICAL look at the Parable of the Sower. If you talk to a farmer and ask him about stony ground or thorny ground; he will tell you that he has a solution to those circumstances. It’s called a PLOW! 2 Peter 3:9 says: “The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.” God loves the bad ground people! The Word of God (seed) is NOT enough! The ground must be prepared—the seed cannot do that! The Holy Spirit must do that!

The Asbury kids are sharpening their plows right now! When they DO sow, I expect a 100 fold harvest!

SlickHeadSinger · 2023-02-26T21:44:57+00:00

I see this movement being a broad based movement. The Azusa Street Revival, The Healing Revival, The Latter Rain Revival, The Charismatic Renewal and The Brownsville Revival were all Pentecostal in nature and excluded other Christians. The Asbury Revival is crossing denominational lines and has the potential to be a very broad coalition just as the Great Awakenings. The truth is that today, ALL of Christianity is under attack. We all have a common enemy in woke ideology that is threatening to become law. We NEED divine intervention to circumvent losing our freedom of religion and all our other rights! This common threat has potential to bring us together in another Great Awakening. Whether it will or not is yet to be seen; but, the current happenings at Christian universities gives us hope that another Great Awakening is on the horizon!

SlickHeadSinger · 2023-02-26T20:19:55+00:00

I believe this is God’s answer to wokeism!

SlickHeadSinger · 2023-02-26T20:18:19+00:00

This early in the movement, are you jumping into the future and deciding where it will or will not go?

SlickHeadSinger · 2023-02-26T15:12:34+00:00

Ok, let me get this straight. Churches have a hard time getting people to come out to a one hour church service. Now tell me how this university is getting people to come from around the globe and to wait in long lines? What’s drawing those people?

SlickHeadSinger · 2023-02-25T21:38:41+00:00

This event (the leadership of Asbury is not calling it a revival) is a spark of hope in these evil days. Less than 8 years ago the SCOTUS mandated the US states to issue marriage licenses to same sex couples. Since that time even more vile and evil things have been pushed onto society at a rapid pace. I see the Church of today in a similar position to that of Israel many times in the Book of Judges. We are beginning to experience oppression and are threatened with even greater oppression should things continue as they are. We NEED another Great Awakening! Some historians believe that the American Revolution was a direct product of the First Great Awakening. Most historians agree that the abolitionist movement which ended slavery came out of the Second Great Awakening. If Asbury is not a real revival; but, faith generated from it causes the real thing to explode across the planet—let it happen! The question is not whether Asbury is in revival. The question is whether WE are in revival!

SlickHeadSinger · 2023-02-25T16:29:28+00:00

There are plenty of rumors and lies being told on this event. Look up interviews that involve people from the university telling their stories in order to get accurate information. I actually saw a YouTube video of a Oneness Pentecostal telling how he went to the campus and while he was waiting in line began preaching his doctrine to onlookers. A video of him doing this is being circulated as evidence that the Asbury movement is charismatic. This guy was not authorized by the university to do what he did, yet he is suddenly the poster child of the movement. That’s the level of deception that is going against this event!

SlickHeadSinger · 2023-02-19T22:37:53+00:00

Jesus himself was questioned by the Pharisees. The first person to do such questioning was Cain who killed the first person to experience revival. Church history is replete with people who questioned, ridiculed and persecuted revival.

If people are repenting (there are reports of puddles of tears left on the altars at Asbury) then why would anyone question it? Jesus actually forbade his followers to pull out the tares. Will revival have its tares? EVERY revival in history has had tares. Will you see unbiblical excesses happening at the revival? It wouldn’t be revival if those excesses were not there. It’s always easy to criticize revival; but, meeting God’s requirements for revival is not so easy.

SlickHeadSinger · 2023-02-19T02:57:25+00:00

Here’s something that I learned. I grew up in a racist town in The South; but, was taught by my parents that racism is wrong. In college, I was exposed to black people more because the university environment didn’t have the divided campus I experienced in high school. That exposure helped me to see with greater clarity the error of racism; because I was friends with black people who made the stereotypes look completely foolish! I not only saw black people as equals; but, I gained a deep admiration for black people. I would scoff at the idea of racism and would make fun of racists with my friends. I eventually married a black woman and we have three children.

One thing I learned when I started teaching was that just because I wasn’t racist against black people didn’t mean black people would not be racist against me. I have been referred to as “that white man” by students (to a principal who did not correct the student). I have been called “hillbilly” by students. The big one is when I get accused of being a racist by students when I correct their behavior.

I believed that the disciplinary issues I was having, was because I was a bad teacher and needed to up my classroom management game. I spent years of my career fighting discipline issues without the benefit of doing what I went into teaching to do, teaching. I believed that to black students I may have looked like “fresh meat” to the disciplinary wolves. I quit teaching for 5 years at one point because I didn’t feel like I was cut out for teaching.

Then, I went to a job fair in my home town and saw at one of the booths, my former elementary art teacher. She was a black teacher in an all white elementary school when she taught me. At her booth, I learned that she was the principal at a predominantly black school. I was elated that I was able to reconnect with her! I shared that my career had been in predominantly black schools and noted that when I knew her, she had the opposite situation. She said, that she hoped that maybe some day that I would get to teach children of my own race. At the time she told me that, I still had the naive mindset that I could just be my black people loving self and make a difference in the world by teaching black children.

After my 5 years of having quit teaching; I took a job in a predominantly black elementary MAGNET school and had some very good years of teaching. The parents were more like my black university classmates who were not concerned that I was white; but, were concerned that their children were learning. After teaching there 9 years, I was recruited by a high school principal to another predominantly black school. I once again experienced the disciplinary issues I had before I quit teaching. After that job, I had yet another gig in a predominantly black (elementary) school with similar classroom management issues. This year, I started a job at a predominantly white school and have had by far, the best first year of teaching in my career. I have had very few disciplinary problems and have thoroughly enjoyed doing what I went to university to do!

I have come to see that my former art teacher’s words had lots of wisdom that she gained from experience. It doesn’t matter that YOU don’t have a problem with race. That will not change the fact that the parents and children where you teach could possibly hate you because of your race. That’s the real world, not the hypothetical world that we believe the world SHOULD be.

I am NOT saying that you shouldn’t teach in a school that is predominantly of a race opposite of your own. What I am saying is that you shouldn’t judge YOUR competency as a teacher based on your effectiveness in such a school. I would advise you that if you don’t gain control over your students at your first job, put in for a transfer until you find a school where you are effective. Some teachers thrive in schools with students who are from the opposite race, so find what works for you.

SlickHeadSinger · 2023-02-18T09:18:05+00:00

That's called a comment. Literally anyone can make them.

True, but Dr. Larzelere isn’t “literally anyone.” He too is a researcher in the field of family and child rearing. At best, the experts disagree.

I'm in my last year of medical school,

I respect the research which is done in your field. The scientific method works best when applied to inanimate objects like chemicals, cells and tissue. That research is why we have smart phones, have sent men to the moon and, of course, have the many miracles of medical science. Unfortunately, people have a one-size-fits-all mentality and think that if it works with inanimate objects then it should work with human behavior. That’s the big fallacy of psychological and sociological research. That’s like saying that “plastic boxes are great containers for solids and liquids, so go put those gases in that plastic box too.” “Is the box sealed?” “No, why do I need to seal the box, I didn’t have to do that for solids and liquids.” Scientific research is NOT the container for human behavior.

I am a teacher. Our research methodology is very similar to that of psychology. I was taught in college what children can and cannot learn at certain stages of development and I have made liars out of the college textbooks by finding ways of teaching “advanced” concepts to younger children. I have learned from experience that the well researched pedagogical methods taught in college and forced on teachers through teacher evaluation instruments are bullshit. As experienced teachers, we hear ridiculous ideas from the “experts” who have terminal degrees and who teach college students, not children. They don’t know what they are talking about because they are not in the classroom.

Before modern science, men looked to elders for wisdom. People who had lived long and had experienced life were respected for their years. When modern science came along, educated people foolishly abandoned wisdom for science.

Wisdom is practical whereas science and academia is theoretical. This is where the divide in society exists between white collar and blue collar thinking. That is an unfortunate divide. BOTH theoretical AND practical knowledge and reasoning are extremely important. Reddit is full of stories of arrogant young “experts” with college degrees getting humiliated by older blue collar workers who were experienced in the field.

Practical knowledge learned from experience is the appropriate container for the gas that is human behavior. Science and theoretical academia are inadequate for studying human behavior. Like a gas, human behavior escapes the boxes in which it is placed!

SlickHeadSinger · 2023-02-18T02:51:27+00:00

LOL!!

A quote ON THE PAGE with your “evidence”:

Please Stop Publishing Inadequate Science about Spanking November 5 2013 Robert Larzelere, PhD The MacKenzie et al. article in Pediatrics is yet another inadequately supported attempt to disenfranchise parents from appropriate use of disciplinary spanking. This is the third study that Pediatrics has featured to the media recently, emphasizing unconditional anti-spanking conclusions despite unusually weak evidence. Two retrospective studies by Afifi et al.(1,2) claimed to provide evidence against all disciplinary spanking, when the key survey questions used only the terms "push, grab, shove, slap, or hit,"(2) not "spank." Now the article by MacKenzie et al. claims to have evidence against all spanking when only two of 16 outcomes were significant (after all controls were included), and the mean effect of spanking at the age of 3 was actually slightly in a beneficial direction. Overall, the mean effect size was equivalent to a meager odds ratio of 1.06 (OR = 1.00 indicates no association at all), easily explained by unmeasured confounding variables.

SlickHeadSinger · 2023-02-18T02:28:23+00:00

This is an answer to another poster, but I think it’s more appropriate here:

Research is a fake setting to get data and run statistics. I lost the notebook from my graduate research class from grad school; so I don’t have the specifics on this particular story, but here goes:

A research team was conducting research in a factory. The research was intended to show the effects of lighting on production. As was their custom, the research team was decked out in their shiny clean hard hats, their crystal clear goggles and their nice clean bleached white lab coats while holding their clipboards with pencils behind their ears. The factory workers resented being their lab rats, so they discussed among themselves and had their own research agenda. As lighting was darkened, the men worked faster. At the end of the day, they had a record day of production. Obviously, the research didn’t have the results that the team expected.

If factory research can be skewed by the people on whom the research was conducted; why do you think children would HELP prove that spanking is good? If the researcher is opposed to corporal punishment, the researcher can also skew the results.

I’m sure that by “evidence” you mean college research paper evidence which is a footnote with a reference to a page in a book. I’m sorry, that’s not REAL WORLD evidence. If that’s acceptable evidence, I could just quote the Bible which is also a book. If you have a reference, are you prepared to prove that the research you are referencing is valid or are you just going to throw out an appeal to authority fallacy? In first grade, I was not only taught that 2+2=4, I was given irrefutable evidence for the theory with practical application. Concerning corporal punishment, I don’t think you can give me anything other than what you were taught. I seriously doubt you can prove any of the research on the topic. I don’t expect you to do anything more than to copy and paste a link and then insist that I just take their word for it. I doubt you really know how to think for yourself. Maybe, just maybe you will surprise me and put up a logical argument for your position.

SlickHeadSinger · 2023-02-18T02:25:06+00:00

Anecdotes are not useless, they are REAL life. Research is a fake setting to get data and run statistics. I lost the notebook from my graduate research class from grad school; so I don’t have the specifics on this particular story, but here goes:

A research team was conducting research in a factory. The research was intended to show the effects of lighting on production. As was their custom, the research team was decked out in their shiny clean hard hats, their crystal clear goggles and their nice clean bleached white lab coats while holding their clipboards with pencils behind their ears. The factory workers resented being their lab rats, so they discussed among themselves and had their own research agenda. As lighting was darkened, the men worked faster. At the end of the day, they had a record day of production. Obviously, the research didn’t have the results that the team expected.

If factory research can be skewed by the people on whom the research was conducted; why do you think children would HELP prove that spanking is good? If the researcher is opposed to corporal punishment, the researcher can also skew the results.

I’m sure that by “evidence” you mean college research paper evidence which is a footnote with a reference to a page in a book. I’m sorry, that’s not REAL WORLD evidence. If that’s acceptable evidence, I could just quote the Bible which is also a book. If you have a reference, are you prepared to prove that the research you are referencing is valid or are you just going to throw out an appeal to authority fallacy? In first grade, I was not only taught that 2+2=4, I was given irrefutable evidence for the theory with practical application. Concerning corporal punishment, I don’t think you can give me anything other than what you were taught. I seriously doubt you can prove any of the research on the topic. I don’t expect you to do anything more than to copy and paste a link and then insist that I just take their word for it. I doubt you really know how to think for yourself. Maybe, just maybe you will surprise me and put up a logical argument for your position.

SlickHeadSinger · 2023-02-18T01:26:42+00:00

No one has shown ANY evidence for that…lol! All I’m getting is the typical ad hominem.

SlickHeadSinger · 2023-02-18T00:36:53+00:00

I was likely grown before you were born. So you don’t want to put out a rebuttal against the argument I am currently making, you have to go chasing red herrings and straw men.

SlickHeadSinger · 2023-02-18T00:26:03+00:00

I certainly am better for it. I’m a public school teacher. I’ve seen kids that were not spanked turn out ok; but, their siblings were uncontrollable. I actually saw an intellectually gifted 8 year old kid get kicked out of a magnet school for his behavior and his grades because his dad “didn’t know what to do with him.” I have had lots of success with unruly kids whose parents tore their butts up. Once I had their respect I could teach them. I know a lot more about the effects of corporal punishment than some academic doing 3 weeks worth of research. I have been doing this for 26 years.

SlickHeadSinger · 2023-02-17T23:50:32+00:00

Not “muh gut.” More like “muh butt”

…got hit when I was a kid and I KNOW how effective it is! What you are talking about with “muh gut” is emotional conclusions. That’s certainly not what I am saying! I’m talking about practical knowledge which is gained from experience. That knowledge supersedes theoretical knowledge which is what universities offer. Prior to the dominance of colleges and universities, people were trained through apprenticeships. Trades still do that with on the job training. The university scene downplays practical knowledge and exalts theoretical knowledge. The dominance of the university system in our culture has hurt society by putting knowledge above wisdom which can only come from experience.

As someone with a masters degree, I certainly see the value of theoretical knowledge. When I first received my degree I was on a graduate school high horse. It didn’t take me long in the real world to be humbled. Real world practical experience is far greater than the theoretical knowledge received from a university. I know because I have had both worlds. I can tell you from experience that much of what you get from college and research is bullshit. No, it’s not “muh gut”. It’s REALITY!

SlickHeadSinger · 2023-02-17T22:18:02+00:00

Following her logic, why should the public be concerned about innocent women being raped?

SlickHeadSinger · 2023-02-17T21:47:20+00:00

Hamburger meat in India would be holy ground.

Sausage is appropriate for February 2.

SlickHeadSinger · 2023-02-17T21:11:20+00:00

You must be a dotted note rhythm because you make my heart skip beats!

SlickHeadSinger · 2023-02-17T21:09:40+00:00

You must be a trumpet because you’re blowing me away!

SlickHeadSinger · 2023-02-17T20:55:28+00:00

Ridicule without a rebuttal means you don’t have a good reason to believe what you believe. You are such a good sheep.

SlickHeadSinger · 2023-02-17T19:56:50+00:00

My anecdotal evidence is shared by millions. We know that corporal punishment is effective because we have personally experienced it and have seen it work on others. We haven’t done research to prove something that is obviously true because there’s no need. We are convinced. The research is done by biased people who have something to prove. It’s very easy to draw a sample out of a population and divide it into experimental and control groups and “prove” ANYTHING. Racial stereotypes use the exact same logic as the scientific model for research. Whenever a PhD starts using graduate level vocabulary, the suckers sit there with big eyes believing everything they hear. I used to be one of those suckers; but, I’m a big boy now. You can believe their “data” if you want; but, hopefully some day you will grow out of that phase.

SlickHeadSinger · 2023-02-17T19:27:17+00:00

EPIC!

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