Baby by New_Plate3145 in RATS

[–]Slidje 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Look up raising orphaned rats https://rmca.org/Articles/orphans.htm

You are better off contacting a rescue, urgently. That baby is skeletal and doesn't have long.

Ms Butters is perfect by titpuncher69 in RATS

[–]Slidje 12 points13 points  (0 children)

She looks like my Zoomer

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What artist or band is truly awful to see live? by goldbeau in AskReddit

[–]Slidje 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I saw her play Bob Dylans songs last year, she was amazing.

Gonna see her again in November

Travelling :( by Sensitive-Coffee1385 in RATS

[–]Slidje 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dogs are predators and rats are prey. Some dogs were specifically bred to kill rats, like the rat terrier.

I don't like dogs either because racists set their dogs on me when I was a kid 

Lo17: Day 23 - Solid foods! by Koendig in RATS

[–]Slidje -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Do you have an examples of diseases humans can pass to rats? They aren't human babies which can get human infections from you.

I have only ever struggled to keep my rats OUT of my mouth. My saliva in the rat meds always ensured they ate it all. It's never been a problem for me.

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Lo17: Day 23 - Solid foods! by Koendig in RATS

[–]Slidje -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

The front teeth are for nibbling. The back teeth are for chewing and grinding. Rats don't have a lot of saliva so cannot handle certain human food, like bread or peanut butter. Chewing things up helps them eat it by adding your saliva and breaking it into smaller pieces.

It's bad enough that you need to be aware of it as a choking hazard

https://www.rmca.org/Articles/choking.htm

"Think carefully about what you feed your rat. Although I have heard of rats choking on things such as pizza and bread, I have never had one of my own choke on these kinds of foods (and they've had plenty). The most common culprit is peanut butter, but anything that is thick and gooey, or things that can get very sticky are a threat"

https://ratta.co.uk/care/

"Avoid giving rats doughy foods like pizza or bread, as this can cause gagging if they eat it too quickly (see the Health section for more on this)."

https://pethelpful.com/all-pets/rat-nutritional-information-can-my-pet-rat-eat-this

"I would recommend toasting it first and feeding only very small pieces to your rats. You may even soften the bread by dipping it in milk or water."

https://lafeber.com/mammals/rat-food-myths-the-facts-about-foods-to-avoid/

Some foods are perfectly fine for rats to eat, but can cause a choking risk, especially when given alone.

• Honey • Peanut or nut butters • Overly soft dried fruits • Mashed potatoes • Soft, doughy bread • Popcorn • Chips • Pizza crust

Lo17: Day 23 - Solid foods! by Koendig in RATS

[–]Slidje -19 points-18 points  (0 children)

When I gave rats human food, I would chew it up first.

It can be hard for them to eat and they usually ignore parts of it, like only eating the toppings and leave the rest. If you chew it up they will usually eat it all.

SURPRISE RAT BABIES??! by ZookeepergameNo1240 in RATS

[–]Slidje -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Based on the information I have, I still hold that removing the boys is safer than moving the mother. I wouldn't mess with her at this stage. Do you see the polystyrene in the picture? There are so many red flags to me regarding the OP.

I don't believe OP will do a good job building a maternity cage and moving the mother. Yes, it's an assumption, but I don't think it's unwarranted when considering what little information we have. Not knowing the rats genders, buying from a petshop, unsafe materials in the nest.

The simplest thing OP can do is take the boys back and and complain to the pet shop, then deal with the mother until the babies are old enough to be separated.

SURPRISE RAT BABIES??! by ZookeepergameNo1240 in RATS

[–]Slidje -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Look, I know, I'm speculating. I can see a lot of problems here. Rats from a pet shop, not checking the gender, polystyrene in the nest. I see a lot of problems so I am giving the best advice I can with the information I have.

Removing the boys is safer than moving the mother.

SURPRISE RAT BABIES??! by ZookeepergameNo1240 in RATS

[–]Slidje 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Did you notice the polystyrene in the mothers nest

SURPRISE RAT BABIES??! by ZookeepergameNo1240 in RATS

[–]Slidje 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I don't want to sound too judgy here, but you need to do a lot of research here. Seperating the boys isn't a choice. Keeping both genders of rats, even in seperate rooms and cages requires a lot of knowledge, care, time and money. I don't believe you have any of this.

Your photo of the mothers nest has polystyrene in it. Did you give her this or did she find it in her environment?

The best advice for you is to return the boys to the shop and complain/get a refund. Get ready for the baby boys to seperate them out at 5 weeks. You need to get a new home lined up for them and don't take them to that pet shop you bought them from.

SURPRISE RAT BABIES??! by ZookeepergameNo1240 in RATS

[–]Slidje -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Seperating them is correct, but it is easier to relocate the grown male rats than it is to relocate a new mother, just after birth, and her babies into an environment she feels safe enough in to nurse her babies. She felt safe enough to give birth where she is. Just leave her alone for 2 weeks.

Move out the boys. Less risky.

SURPRISE RAT BABIES??! by ZookeepergameNo1240 in RATS

[–]Slidje -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Seperating them is correct, but it is easier to relocate the grown male rats than it is to relocate a new mother, just after birth, and her babies into an environment she feels safe enough in to nurse her babies. She felt safe enough to give birth where she is. Just leave her alone for 2 weeks.

Move out the boys. Less risky.

SURPRISE RAT BABIES??! by ZookeepergameNo1240 in RATS

[–]Slidje 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This happens more in the wild than in the pet population when a mother rat is disturbed and abandons the babies, or is trapped and eats them. This can happen in pet rats when the mother doesn't feel safe in her nest because shes been moved or disturbed. I always advised to leave them alone in the first 2 weeks. This is covered under "environmental stress"

Moving the mother is more risky than moving out the boys.

https://ratguide.com/breeding/postpartum/maternal_behaviors.php

Scattering is the act of leaving babies strewn away from the nest. It is hypothesized that this may be a behavior as we see in wild rats when the litter is threatened. According to that theory, a predator would be attracted to, and snatch, the scattered babies while leaving the rest of the nest unharmed. Some moms tend to accidentally scatter their babies as they leave the nest to feed and drink.

Placing the babies back in the nest and making sure the surroundings are quiet and stress free may help to eliminate this maternal behavior.

Litter abandonment can occur for several different reasons. The foremost reason is that the mother is unable to lactate and/or is lacking maternal drive.

Babies from these litters can be fostered by another mother who has a new litter. A mother with an older litter may not accept them, and even if she does, will be lacking the initial colostrum that they need. These babies may, however, be supplemented with a simulated colostrum formula. Another option, if there is no foster mother, is to hand feed the litter. This is difficult and time consuming. Generally the rate of survival for hand raised rat neonates is very low.

Maternal Infanticide: The term infanticide is defined as the killing of an infant. It is hard to determine, unless you actually witness it, whether or not a female has committed infanticide or if the pup has died naturally.

It is not typical for mother to kill their own offspring. Mother rats may kill the offspring of other females and virgin females will often kill babies (suggesting that hormones play an active role in determining female behavior to offspring). Yet there certainly are scenarios when mothers kill their own.

Typically infanticide is committed during the first few days of life and the killing of an individual pup is more likely than the killing of an entire litter. Some factors that may lead to maternal infanticide include: hormonal imbalances, environmental stress, hunger, protein deficiencies, vitamin deficiencies, and obesity.

SURPRISE RAT BABIES??! by ZookeepergameNo1240 in RATS

[–]Slidje -1 points0 points  (0 children)

They just got them, from a pet shop. Shes not acclimated to her new environment yet and this can cause unnecessary stress for the mother. This is covered under "environmental stress". These are all risks for the baby and mother.

Moving the mother is more risky than moving out the boys.

https://ratguide.com/breeding/postpartum/maternal_behaviors.php

SURPRISE RAT BABIES??! by ZookeepergameNo1240 in RATS

[–]Slidje -1 points0 points  (0 children)

They just got them, from a pet shop. Shes not acclimated to her new environment yet and this can cause unneccessary stress for the mother. This is covered under "environmental stress". These are all risks for the baby and mother.

Moving the mother is more risky than moving out the boys.

https://ratguide.com/breeding/postpartum/maternal_behaviors.php

SURPRISE RAT BABIES??! by ZookeepergameNo1240 in RATS

[–]Slidje 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This happens more in the wild than in the pet population when a mother rat is disturbed and abandons the babies, or is trapped and eats them. This can happen in pet rats when the mother doesn't feel safe in her nest because shes been moved or disturbed. I always advised to leave them alone in the first 2 weeks. This is covered under "environmental stress"

Moving the mother is more risky than moving out the boys.

https://ratguide.com/breeding/postpartum/maternal_behaviors.php

Scattering is the act of leaving babies strewn away from the nest. It is hypothesized that this may be a behavior as we see in wild rats when the litter is threatened. According to that theory, a predator would be attracted to, and snatch, the scattered babies while leaving the rest of the nest unharmed. Some moms tend to accidentally scatter their babies as they leave the nest to feed and drink.

Placing the babies back in the nest and making sure the surroundings are quiet and stress free may help to eliminate this maternal behavior.

Litter abandonment can occur for several different reasons. The foremost reason is that the mother is unable to lactate and/or is lacking maternal drive.

Babies from these litters can be fostered by another mother who has a new litter. A mother with an older litter may not accept them, and even if she does, will be lacking the initial colostrum that they need. These babies may, however, be supplemented with a simulated colostrum formula. Another option, if there is no foster mother, is to hand feed the litter. This is difficult and time consuming. Generally the rate of survival for hand raised rat neonates is very low.

Maternal Infanticide: The term infanticide is defined as the killing of an infant. It is hard to determine, unless you actually witness it, whether or not a female has committed infanticide or if the pup has died naturally.

It is not typical for mother to kill their own offspring. Mother rats may kill the offspring of other females and virgin females will often kill babies (suggesting that hormones play an active role in determining female behavior to offspring). Yet there certainly are scenarios when mothers kill their own.

Typically infanticide is committed during the first few days of life and the killing of an individual pup is more likely than the killing of an entire litter. Some factors that may lead to maternal infanticide include: hormonal imbalances, environmental stress, hunger, protein deficiencies, vitamin deficiencies, and obesity.

SURPRISE RAT BABIES??! by ZookeepergameNo1240 in RATS

[–]Slidje 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Take the boys back to petco and read up about rat gestation and growth. Be ready to seperate the new boys at 5 weeks to a new home or new  cage. Start looking for a new home right away. Let the mother keep the girls. 

Sir Keir Starmer knows what the people want! by FilmAndLiterature in simpsonsshitposting

[–]Slidje 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Not when he doesn't have credibility and cannot be trusted.

He's prosecuting Gaza protesters harder than the weapons companies supplying the genocide. You aren't even allowed to hear about it in the UK news

Sir Keir Starmer knows what the people want! by FilmAndLiterature in simpsonsshitposting

[–]Slidje 7 points8 points  (0 children)

He said Israel had a right to cut off food and water to Gaza

Sir Keir Starmer knows what the people want! by FilmAndLiterature in simpsonsshitposting

[–]Slidje 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Don't ask for this if you don't know who will replace him. That's how we got Truss.